2014-05-30 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:55:34 <lmat> @op
08:55:34 <gncbot> lmat: Error: You don't have the #gnucash,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
08:58:40 <warlord> lmat: you're not a channel operator
09:02:01 <lmat> warlord: Yeah, that's what he said :(
09:03:27 <warlord> :-P
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09:24:42 <eri> Hello. In gnucash on Linux, I am only able to save an account as XML or export to XML. I would like to setup a database and tables for gnucash in MySQL, however... Tutorials that I read about doing this say it should be possible to save a file as mysql.
09:25:14 <eri> For example this one http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user/32845
09:26:13 <eri> Is there another way I can create a mysql database and tables easily?
09:33:25 <warlord> eri: what OS/Distro? How did you build/install GnuCash? And do you have the mysql dbi-dbd driver?
09:36:57 <eri> Distro: Crunchbang. I am seeing now that I should probably build again, following http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building, i.e. with libdbd
09:37:11 <eri> warlord I guess that's what I missed. Will try now.
09:42:20 <warlord> eri: if you compiled yourself make sure you --enable-dbi when you ./configure
09:42:35 <warlord> (We also recommend you use a --prefix like /opt/gnucash)
09:43:06 <eri> Thanks.
11:22:24 <warlord> you're welcome
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11:26:03 <Biscuits> hi
11:26:11 <Biscuits> im having problems trying to copy accounts from one .gnucash to another
11:26:18 <Biscuits> or moving, i should say
11:27:02 <warlord> Biscuits: why do you feel you need to do that? (gnucash does not have support for merging multiple data files)
11:27:16 <warlord> depending on what you are trying to do there are a few ways to go about it.
11:28:08 <Biscuits> something i should have done a while back
11:28:18 <Biscuits> the problem is, i still am missing one account from the old .gnucash file
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11:28:22 <Biscuits> and i want to move it over
11:28:31 <Biscuits> but it's a pain, as it insists on doing all the accounts, etc
11:28:33 <Biscuits> and even then doesn't work right
11:29:13 <warlord> Biscuits: perhaps you could take a step back and explain what you did, and what you think you did wrong?
11:30:18 <Biscuits> warlord, im trying to move one account to another .gnucash file
11:34:58 <warlord> Biscuits: I understand thats what you are trying to do... but *why*? What got you to this state where you feel you need to move it?
11:35:14 <Biscuits> ok, ill ask for help somewhere else
11:35:17 <Biscuits> thanks anyway
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11:38:59 <warlord> Okay, I was really trying to help you...
11:47:50 <lmat> I wonder where he's going...
11:51:10 <warlord> Dunno.
11:51:34 <warlord> But gnucash doesn't do what he is asking, so I wanted to figure out why he wanted to do it in order to provide a possibly better approach.
11:51:48 <warlord> But if he doesn't want help, that's his prerogative
11:53:22 <lmat> warlord: I was going to suggest copying the data :) If XML, just copy and paste. If sqlite, do a dump, then import or whatever.
11:54:02 <warlord> lmat: that wont work because you'd have to copy the transactions too, and the GUIDs probably wont match up
11:54:11 <warlord> Again, needed more information about how he got into this state.
11:54:44 <lmat> warlord: Yeah, copy the accounts and transactions and splits :) the GUIDs should be fine... as long as they're unique, they won't collide, and if they match in the old file, they'll match in the new, on?
11:54:51 <lmat> s/on\?/no\?/ ^_^
11:55:10 <warlord> lmat: that's not the issue.. the issue is the Split->Account GUIDs might not match.
11:55:22 <lmat> hmm
11:55:56 <warlord> Yeah...
11:56:01 <warlord> That's why you can't do that.
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11:56:29 <Biscuits> has anyone used this? http://www.chris-reilly.org/blog/technotes/gnucash-2-4-13-capital-one-directconnect-fix/
11:56:35 <lmat> warlord: Oh... so accounts that have already been brought over to the new one (probably) have different GUIDs than they had in the old.
11:56:38 <Biscuits> i did what it said on there, but i still get the 2000 error
11:56:46 <lmat> Biscuits: Hey, there you are! I'm ready to help you!
11:57:09 <Biscuits> i have spark biz cashback checking account with cap 1
11:57:15 <lmat> Biscuits: I came in just after your ragequit earlier ^_^
11:57:16 <Biscuits> and i updated the online config to what it says on that page
11:57:27 <Biscuits> but it's still giving the 2000 error
11:57:30 <Biscuits> what to do?
11:57:59 <warlord> lmat: depends what you mean by "brought over". GnuCash does not have a way to merge files.
11:58:22 <lmat> warlord: Exactly. It depends on how they were brought over. If he used my method, it should be fine, but if he "manually" copied them, no go.
11:58:36 <lmat> Biscuits: You're still trying to copy an account (and all the transactions related to that account?) to a new gnucash?
11:58:52 <lmat> Biscuits: (because I don't know what you're talking about with spark biz cashback checking account ^_^)
11:58:56 <Biscuits> no, im trying to get capital one online banking working again
11:59:04 <warlord> Biscuits: I'm afraid I've never used the OFX-DC, so can't help you there.
11:59:11 <Biscuits> k
11:59:21 <warlord> Biscuits: I presume you went through the AqB account setup?
11:59:33 <Biscuits> well, the whole issue is it was working till some change by capital one
11:59:39 <Biscuits> and many posts about how to adapt to that change
11:59:42 <Biscuits> however, it didn't fix it for me
12:00:08 <warlord> what version of gnucash?
12:00:28 <Biscuits> 2.6.3
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12:01:01 <warlord> And what OS/Distro?
12:01:25 <Biscuits> f20 64bit
12:02:06 <warlord> What version of AqB does that distribute? (rpm -q aqbanking)
12:04:44 <Biscuits> aqbanking-5.3.2-0.1.beta.fc20.x86_64
12:05:01 <warlord> Hmm. that should be "new enough".
12:06:57 <Biscuits> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2013-March/035110.html
12:07:04 <warlord> I wonder if you need to determine your own client uid?
12:07:57 <Biscuits> hmm
12:08:02 <Biscuits> not from what i see here
12:08:04 <Biscuits> http://www.chris-reilly.org/blog/technotes/gnucash-2-4-13-capital-one-directconnect-fix/
12:08:18 <warlord> He doesn't say how he determined that uid
12:09:05 <warlord> Ah, yes he did..
12:09:18 <warlord> default string for ClientUID that I found in the configuration file of the PocketSense scripts (found under https://sites.google.com/site/pocketsense/home/msmoneyfixp1).
12:09:30 <warlord> I suspect that's *his* uid
12:09:35 <warlord> you need to determine your own
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12:11:02 <Biscuits> "Under User Settings, enter your User Name, then enter the string 6c88247e-ab53-46f4-b9c0-ecaee283570f as the Client UID (via this link)"
12:11:45 <warlord> Biscuits: yes, I can read... but that's what worked *for him*.. It might not work *for you*
12:11:54 <warlord> You might need your *own* uid
12:12:01 <Biscuits> k
12:12:11 <Biscuits> im not sure how to get it
12:12:14 <Biscuits> i do not want to install ms money
12:12:22 <Biscuits> the pocketscripts thing is not that clear
12:13:19 <warlord> I'm afraid I dont use any importer so I have no practical experience.
12:13:54 * warlord doesn't believe in importing transactions because you lose the ability to find bank errors.
12:15:45 <Biscuits> yeah, this isn't useful at all, this website
12:15:52 <Biscuits> i downloaded pocketscripts and it's completely useless for this
12:16:00 <Biscuits> the only accounts you can create are discover,vanguard and usaa
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12:33:35 <warlord> Funny... "Howdy Doody"
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13:31:08 <David417> Hi. I have a corrupted transaction in a security account. I copied a transaction that was a purchase of about 200 sh at $1.00 then changed the number of shares to 14,000 at $1.00, changed the dollars to match, saved the transaction, then jumped to the brokerage account and found the original number of shares and dollars.
13:34:33 <David417> this happens every so often and when it does, it seems that I must delete and enter from scratch instead of copying a similar transaction. Is there something that I am missing?
13:36:25 <lmat> David417: Would you be comfortable creating a minimum working example ?
13:37:33 <jralls> David417: How many splits are in the purchase transaction? Just the two?
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13:40:10 <David417> I am not sure how long it would take as this does not seem to happen every time. Today I had already done essentially the same thing two or three times before this one. John, this transaction is only two split lines, the cash in and the purchase line
13:43:26 <warlord> David417: it's possible that the copy is failing in some subtle way...
13:46:24 <David417> I think one time I tried repeating the transaction duplication from the same source transaction and then the same problem repeated. I could try that again.
13:54:01 <eri> I used GNUCash for 3 months, then stopped for 2 because I was lazy. What's the best practice for starting use again? Should I just start from scratch or is there a more useful way/
13:56:07 <David417> OK, repeating the duplication from a different source transaction does allow changing the numbers correctly, but duplicating the source transaction that resulted in the corrupted transaction repeated the corruption after changing the numbers
13:59:19 <warlord> possibly because that original txn is broken
14:06:45 <David417> That transaction which I duplicated looks ok from both sides. If it is bad, what can I do about it?
14:08:16 <David417> there may be lots of 'bad' transactions if there is one
14:08:30 <lmat> eri: Probably start from scratch. How much data did you have from before ?
14:09:04 <eri> lmat over 200+ transactions and I was basically faithful to it every day.
14:09:19 <lmat> eri: This is for personal finance? My opinion is that it makes to have a complete fiscal year in there...
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14:09:33 <lmat> eri: So what would be best is to get all of 2014 rolling. It'll make taxes a breeze (although I haven't tested this statement out) ^_^
14:09:38 <David417> Way too many to summarily delete and re-enter on a whim
14:10:12 <lmat> eri: Alternatively, if that sounds daunting, perhaps you can develop some good habits in 2014, and go for full accounting in 2015 ? It'll still help track cashflow, etc. for this year.
14:11:00 <eri> Yeah I guess.
14:11:31 <lmat> eri: I started Jan 1, 2014 ^_^. I pay it attention every week or two, entering the receipts that have filled up the thing into which we stuff them.
14:12:08 <lmat> eri: reconcile credit card and bank statements, record auto withdrawals for bills, write up donations, etc.
14:14:04 <eri> Basically I stopped because I wanted to build a reports tool for visualizations, but took longer than expected.
14:14:49 <eri> So yeah I guess I'll just tack it up as mystery expenses and activity.
14:15:32 <jralls> David417: Intermittent problems are always the hardest to track down. If you can divine anything special about the one that fails to duplicate correctly that might help to figure out what's going on.
14:17:48 <lmat> eri: :)
14:18:01 <lmat> eri: So you'll just copy from bank statements ?
14:19:42 <David417> I could add a text flag in a memo line to help find it again. If I were to save a copy of the data file in in uncompressed format and use a hex editor to find that flag, would there be anything interesting to see?
14:28:57 <eri> eri I pay almost everything in cash, so I will just record atm withdrawals.
14:30:14 <warlord> eri: you can still record your cash payments (from Cash -> Expense).. Otherwise you still wont have a good handle on how you're spending your money
14:34:41 <eri> Sure from now, but I've lost 2 months of receipts. Indeed, I was hoping to use this data to identify bad spending habits.
14:35:04 <eri> Speaking of which, it's still not possible to assign tags to transactions, right?
14:36:03 <eri> E.g. I would like to be able to tag those purchases that I regretted in hindsight for example.
14:38:16 <lmat> eri: yup, I think so :)
14:41:00 <lmat> eri: You could create accounts for regretted buying behaviour ?
14:47:25 <warlord> eri: you could add to the description, memo, or notes fields.
14:47:29 <warlord> but no, no "tags" per se
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16:36:37 <David417> Reviewing the corrupted transaction I mentioned 3 hours ago, I see that the split quantity did not change to match the split value in the line transferring the dollars from the broker account to the security account when I edited the copy of the suspect transaction
16:39:05 <warlord> David417: you mean you have a split to a USD (cash) account where amount != value?
16:39:53 <David417> yes
16:40:42 <warlord> Hmm.. I dont know how that can even happen..
16:40:56 <warlord> (well, it shouldn't happen)
16:41:56 <David417> since this happens to be in a security account for a money market fund there are many 1 share = 1 dollar transactions
16:45:00 <David417> I do not know how to decode the account type identifiers, but maybe one of them may be wrong in the suspect transaction
16:46:16 <warlord> Well, you created the identifiers.. so only you could answer that.
16:47:27 <David417> I didn't give them those 32 character strings
16:48:21 <David417> is there a table somewhere in the data?
16:49:50 <David417> these are called type="guid"
16:49:52 <warlord> Huh? you mean the GUIDs?
16:50:03 <warlord> Are you looking at the data file directly? Not in the GUI?
16:50:49 <David417> yes I am in the data file.
16:53:25 <David417> I am trying to figure out what is different about the suspect transaction form other transactions that look the same in the GUI
16:57:13 <David417> what difference might allow the edit of dollars not stay 1:1 across the transfer?
16:58:17 <warlord> The transaction currency?
17:00:15 <David417> The transaction is supposed to represent US dollars moving from the brokerage account to the security account where the dollars are used to purchase shares of a money market fund
17:00:55 <warlord> Yes, I understand.
17:00:58 <David417> it looks like that is breaking somehow
17:01:01 <warlord> but check the transaction common currency
17:03:22 <David417> <trn:currency>
17:03:23 <David417> <cmdty:space>ISO4217</cmdty:space>
17:03:25 <David417> <cmdty:id>USD</cmdty:id>
17:03:26 <David417> that is after the split lines. does that apply th this transaction?
17:07:01 <David417> <trn:currency>
17:07:02 <David417> <cmdty:space>FUND</cmdty:space>
17:07:04 <David417> <cmdty:id>TRMXX</cmdty:id>
17:07:05 <David417> </trn:currency>
17:07:07 <David417> That is before the split lines in the bad copy that did not edit correctly
17:10:59 <warlord> Oooh, how did you get a transaction currency of your fund? That's... bad!
17:12:52 <David417> I am asking you how I did that and what did I do?
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17:17:15 <David417> looking at the keys more carefully I think the first currency I showed here was actually associated to the next transaction
17:25:35 <warlord> I honestly have no idea. Possibly you have (had?) a top-level Stock/Fund account?
17:26:40 <David417> I do not normally try to look at XML, this file is currently 47 Meg uncompressed
17:27:00 <warlord> right
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17:57:24 <David417> now I see that the transaction that I duplicated had the FUND currency too. I wonder how many other transactions have that currency. I know that many transactions have ISO4217 USD currency. I do not want to fix this in XML space, as I will make misteaks
18:04:29 <David417> A few times I have tried to create scheduled transactions to enter some similar transactions but they often seem to generate un-editable transactions not too different from this.
18:07:07 <David417> most of those I have either changed to say placeholder - delete when real transaction is entered or I just gave up using SX's in stock transactions
18:09:33 <David417> Are there any outstanding bugs with SX's that might cause this?
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18:42:39 <David417> there are 27 transactions with FUND currency. 26 are TRMXX. most of the transactions contain the following slot tag:
18:42:51 <David417> <slot>
18:42:52 <David417> <slot:key>from-sched-xaction</slot:key>
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18:43:40 <jralls> David417: I just looked at the SX bugs and I don't see anything like your problem.
18:43:53 <jralls> But I have a couple of observations:
18:46:42 <jralls> First, if you're in Split view, then all of the automatic balancing is turned off. It becomes your job to ensure that the transaction balances correctly. GnuCash will prompt you by adding any imbalance amount to the "empty" split at the bottom and by marking the unbalanced splits with little 'x'es in each amount/price/value block. If you commit the transaction the imbalance amount will be debited to the Imbalance-USD account.
18:47:59 <David417> I am close enough now to this that I want to clear it up
18:48:30 <jralls> Second, if you have a money market fund that always trades at par, make its commodity the currency with which it trades at par -- in your case, USD. That prevents any pricing issues sneaking up on you.
18:48:43 <David417> continue, please
18:51:39 <jralls> It will take me a few minutes to confirm, but I think that if you create a transaction in a particular account, the commodity for that account becomes the transaction currency.
18:54:48 <jralls> Nope, I'm wrong. I'll have to see if I can do it with an SX.
18:56:06 <David417> Considering your last point, that would suggest that all stock or commodity transactions would have to be created in the corresponding brokerage account to have a currency. I see you are considering that
19:01:04 <David417> I believe that I still have one or two scheduled transactions that still create this problem
19:06:33 <jralls> No, that part is wrong, at least as long as there's no foreign currency or trading accounts involved. Even when I created a txn in a stock account the transaction currency was correctly in USD.
19:11:59 <jralls> And I couldn't make SX create a transaction with something other than USD as the currency, either.
19:15:34 <jralls> There's a section in the file called template-transactions, which contains the special transactions that are used to make the real ones on a schedule. Find that section and see if any of the txns in it have TRMXX for a trn:currency.
19:17:03 <David417> I will quote the first part of a transaction that was created by the Since Last Run assistant recently:
19:17:10 <David417> <gnc:transaction version="2.0.0">
19:17:11 <David417> <trn:id type="guid">0c45565bb3a06a4963b6a3375d91119b</trn:id>
19:17:13 <David417> <trn:currency>
19:17:15 <David417> <cmdty:space>FUND</cmdty:space>
19:17:16 <David417> <cmdty:id>TRMXX</cmdty:id>
19:17:17 <David417> </trn:currency>
19:17:19 <David417> <trn:num>Placeholder</trn:num>
19:17:20 <David417> <trn:date-posted>
19:17:22 <David417> <ts:date>2014-04-30 00:00:00 -0500</ts:date>
19:17:23 <David417> </trn:date-posted>
19:17:25 <David417> <trn:date-entered>
19:17:26 <David417> <ts:date>2012-08-29 10:39:38 -0500</ts:date>
19:17:28 <David417> </trn:date-entered>
19:17:30 <David417> <trn:description>Placeholder Reinvest Dividend PRIME MONEY MARKET FUND (TRMXX)</trn:description>
19:17:31 <David417> <trn:slots>
19:17:33 <David417> <slot>
19:17:34 <David417> <slot:key>date-posted</slot:key>
19:17:35 <David417> <slot:value type="gdate">
19:17:37 <David417> <gdate>2014-04-30</gdate>
19:17:39 <David417> </slot:value>
19:17:41 <David417> </slot>
19:17:43 <David417> <slot>
19:17:45 <David417> <slot:key>from-sched-xaction</slot:key>
19:17:47 <David417> <slot:value type="guid">623b68d45e23d7e4fe1369a4c9cbf003</slot:value>
19:17:49 <David417> </slot>
19:17:51 <David417> <slot>
19:17:53 <David417> <slot:key>notes</slot:key>
19:17:55 <David417> <slot:value type="string">Mthly Div 0.0x% Avg/sh on $951.cc sh Rec 07-29 = $0.01</slot:value>
19:17:57 <David417> </slot>
19:17:59 <David417> </trn:slots>
19:23:19 <jralls> OK, now find <trn:id type="guid">623b68d45e23d7e4fe1369a4c9cbf003</trn:id> That will identify the template-transaction that created that actual transaction.
19:27:30 <David417> I found 623b68d45e23d7e4fe1369a4c9cbf003. Now where is the currency?
19:30:17 <jralls> In my file it's the next element after the id.
19:30:22 <David417> there is also an account with the same 623b68d45e23d7e4fe1369a4c9cbf003
19:31:36 <David417> there is also a slot with a value type 623b68d45e23d7e4fe1369a4c9cbf003
19:34:12 <jralls> That's OK, as long as they both have commodity space and commodity id of "template"; they're part of the SX.
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19:44:50 <jralls> Oh, wait. The sched-xaction guid points to <sx:id>, not <trn:id>. In that SX is an element <sx:templ-acct type="guid"> with another guid. Find a template-transaction whose splits have a field <split:account type="guid">with that second guid; that's the template transaction that's creating your bad transactions.
19:46:30 <jralls> Sorry, I have to go make dinner now.
19:55:42 <David417> later
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