2014-05-22 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:48:04 <rhizome> how do i record a shortfall in an invoice payment? leave the leftover as AR?
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03:26:01 <fell> gjanssens: Do you understand http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/HBCI#SEPA-Umstellung_Anfang_2014
03:28:19 <gjanssens> fell: More or less yes
03:29:23 <fell> On 2013-03-01 cstim reported his first successful transaction on trunk
03:31:00 <gjanssens> Cool
03:31:12 <gjanssens> So SEPA has been supported for quite some time ?
03:31:13 <fell> The whole thing is still in progress, e.g. end of 2013 the german banks promised to support german umlauts additional to SWIFT-Latin
03:32:01 <fell> The end users got it with 2.6.0
03:32:11 <gjanssens> I find that gnucash 2.6.3 underwent some changes for SEPA still
03:32:31 <gjanssens> But that's probably improvements upon the base support
03:32:49 <gjanssens> What's the minimal version of aqbanking that is needed ?
03:32:58 <fell> Martin is improving Aqbanking continuous, too.
03:35:43 * fell is scanning http://www2.aquamaniac.de/sites/download/packages.php and http://www2.aquamaniac.de/sites/news/index.php
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03:38:57 <fell> It seems Martin did his first steps in 2008/07/01 with AqBanking 3.6.0,
03:39:15 <fell> 2008/10/11 AqBanking 3.8.0 SEPA-API
03:39:59 <gjanssens> Looking at the same it seems 5.0.x saw lots of work in the SEPA area
03:40:48 <gjanssens> I was just wondering about this to know what I should advise other users to install
03:43:20 <fell> Advise "most recent availabe version"
03:44:10 <fell> There are always improvements in SEPA and new methods of PIN/TAN security
03:46:40 <fell> Perhaps AqBanking 4.x works for bank X but not for bank Y
03:50:20 <fell> In the good old days of openHBCI there was only one mayor method (HBCI with key file) as security medium, but most banks swiched to one of a dozen methods of PIN/TAN:
03:51:55 <fell> e.g. indexed TAN (Bank sends index numer, you answer with the respective Tan), smsTAN (Bank sends TAN per SMS), ...
03:58:39 <fell> So finally e.g. for debian-stable users I would suggest to add backports repositories, ubuntu users should use Micha Lenks ppa for aqbanking.
03:59:03 <gjanssens> fell: thanks for the info
03:59:08 <fell> welcome, Geert!
03:59:44 <fell> warlord: you can also initiate bank transacions via DTA since the 80s - before internet via magnetic tape or discette.
03:59:50 <fell> But they announced now the termination of this service.
03:59:58 <fell> So FinTS/HBCI was not the only way.
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05:13:59 <fell> gjanssens: found it: 2013/02/19 AqBanking 5.0.26beta implements SEPA transactions
05:15:30 <fell> but a missing file was added in 2013/02/20 AqBanking 5.0.27beta
05:17:13 <gjanssens> fell: great! I seemed to remember we needed 5.0.x at least. So 5.0.27beta is the minimum requirement for SEPA
05:17:45 <fell> to have transactions via HBCI
05:19:42 <fell> Most following releases fix bugs;
05:20:17 <fell> AqBanking 5.4.2beta seems to allow the sending of debitnotes
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05:22:26 <fell> But I am not shure, if cstim implemented that in GnuCash
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08:43:06 <warlord> rhizome: Are you expecting the rest of the payment later?
08:44:55 <warlord> fell: it is/was the only way fron gnucash..
08:45:41 <warlord> fell: AFAIK gnucash never implemented DTA txn initiation.
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12:18:11 <rhizome> warlord: yes
12:19:05 <warlord> rhizome: then dont do anything. Just process the payment for what was paid. GnuCash will automatically keep track of the remainder.
12:20:53 <warlord> (i.e., leave it in AR)
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12:25:11 <rhizome> ok. the only thing confusing about that is that there appears to be a duplicate entry created with just the remainder. let me post up a screenshot
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12:31:13 <warlord> rhizome: no need.. it's the new way that A/R works in 2.6
12:31:27 <warlord> Use the customer report to see how much they have outstanding
12:32:52 <rhizome> this is 2.4. debian is behind.
12:33:01 <rhizome> 2.4.10
12:33:12 <gjanssens> warlord, rhizome: I was just about to say this is not what I'd expect
12:33:24 <gjanssens> rhizome: post the screen shot anyway
12:33:35 <warlord> Oh. Hmm.. I think the "duplicate entry" is a split...
12:33:51 <gjanssens> That makes more sense
12:34:04 <gjanssens> Or not
12:34:07 <rhizome> the payment does already have a split
12:34:09 <rhizome> sec
12:35:51 <rhizome> the duplicate was inserted as the #2 entry in these, the $427 one: http://imgur.com/a/dPa1P
12:37:11 <gjanssens> rhizome: that's indeed how gnucash 2.4 keeps track of payments
12:37:35 <rhizome> can i add another check number to that invoice when it comes in?
12:37:54 <gjanssens> Yes
12:38:00 <warlord> Yes, just process payment normally
12:38:04 <rhizome> i.e. should i stop looking at the AR pane and just click the pay this invoice button when necessary? :)
12:38:14 <warlord> rhizome: yes
12:39:47 <rhizome> cool, thanks. lastly, should i worry at all about being on 2.4, enough to build current?
12:40:54 <warlord> rhizome: not unless you need any new-in-2.6 features (like credit notes)
12:40:57 * warlord is still using 2.4
12:45:00 <rhizome> which i don't. thanks
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15:05:00 <frank> Hello! I have a problem with gnucash or maybe better aqhbci. I'm trying to install a HBCI account based on an existing running key-file. I used the command line on a linux machine to create the keyfile. After that I used gnucash on the linux machine to import the existing keyfile. On the Linux machine I'm able to do everything with HBCI-account.
15:05:02 <frank> Then I wanted to use the existing keyfile on windows machine, I tried to import the keyfile but when gnucash/aqbanking is connecting to the bank it crashes. When I imported the keyfile I was wondering that nothing of the bank account has been recognized by the tool (bank account number etc.) I typed that information manually. I started the connection to the bank-server, I got a few messages...
15:05:04 <frank> ...and then gnucash crashes.
15:05:05 <frank> Then I switched to the command line in windows:
15:05:06 <frank> 1) I wanted to add a new user, but it failed.
15:05:08 <frank> C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin>aqhbci-tool4.exe adduser -t ohbci -n "C:\User
15:05:09 <frank> s\frank" --context=1 -b 57069067 -u xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -c xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -
15:05:11 <frank> s hbci.gad.de -N "Frank Lorenz"
15:05:12 <frank> 3:2014/05/22 21-27-05:gwen(2032):ctfile.c: 64: Could not lock file
15:05:14 <frank> 3:2014/05/22 21-27-05:(null)(2032):adduser.c: 370: Could not open token (-103)
15:05:16 <frank> I deleted all the .lck-data in the folder : C:\Users\frank\aqbanking\settings\users
15:05:18 <frank> But, that doesn't help. Any ideas?
15:06:31 <warlord> frank: you're probably best asking this on either the gnucash-de mailing list or the AqB channel.
15:07:07 <frank> OK, thanks... I will do
15:07:51 <warlord> Sorry... but good luck!
15:08:37 <frank> thank you
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15:28:47 <warlord> frank, did you also send to gnucash-de? or just gnucash-user?
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19:18:10 <Simon> if I open the SubAccounts of a Placeholder account, surely it shouldn't be read-only?
19:36:49 <warlord> Hmm.. Right-click open-subaccounts should not be read only, no.
19:37:11 <warlord> Just double-clicking, however, would be (because you're just opening the placeholder, not the whole subtree below it)
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20:03:30 <poliana> Whoo are project administrator?
20:04:05 <poliana>
20:05:39 <poliana> Hi. .
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20:07:09 <poliana> Hi
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20:23:00 <poliana> Whoo help me, please?
20:39:29 <warlord> poliana: just ask your question..
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21:10:12 <poliana> Hi...
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