2014-05-21 GnuCash IRC logs

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05:32:41 <Akra> Hi everyone
05:33:25 <Akra> I've a question: I saved all my files in my external hard disk, then I formatted my hard disk on my mac
05:33:51 <Akra> now, if I try to open my file, it just looks empty
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05:34:33 <Akra> it says book not saved and such
05:35:58 <gjanssens> Akra: how do you try to open your book ? Did you do so by double-clicking the book file or did you open it via File->Open from withing gnucash ?
05:36:14 <Akra> same result in both cases
05:36:56 <Akra> oh, no
05:37:05 <Akra> it works opening from the program!
05:37:23 <Akra> thanks so much!
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11:25:43 <yeochief> has anyone got an easy way to sync gnucash between computers? I have guncash on my Ubuntu box, I would like to sync it to my Ubuntu Laptop. I have Dropbox installed on both if that helps.
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12:23:02 <fell> yeochief: I simply use rsync. For directories of interest see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#GnuCash_Files_and_managing_a_GnuCash_installation
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12:39:50 <yeochief> I will try that, the hardest part of searching FAQs is figuring out how to ask the question. I found that if I copy the most recently modified files to dropbox and then copying them to home on the other computer works, just a little labor intensive.
12:41:22 <yeochief> By the way, fell, Thank You very much :)
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12:57:45 <gjanssens> yeochief: you can probably store your data file directly on dropbox if you like
12:57:54 <gjanssens> yeochief: that saves you some copying around
12:58:31 <gjanssens> yeochief: and you could copy ~/.gnucash to somewhere on your dropbox as well and make a softlink to it in your home directory
12:59:03 <gjanssens> That way your gui state and saved reports are available on both computers as well
13:02:19 <yeochief> gjanssens: what you are suggesting is what I had in mind, however, I am a user, not really a hacker willing to change code. What is this "softlink" of which you speak?
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13:03:38 <gjanssens> yeochief: sorry, since you are on Ubuntu I assumed you had some basic knowledge of linux command line tools
13:04:08 <gjanssens> yeochief: a softlink is like a shortcut or alias to a file or directory
13:05:05 <gjanssens> I don't know how Unity calls this but in kde if I drag a file from one location to another it asks me wether I want to move/copy it or create a link instead.
13:05:15 <gjanssens> It's the last option I'm refering to
13:05:40 <gjanssens> So you could first move your .gnucash directory to your dropbox directory and then link back to it from your home directory
13:05:57 <gjanssens> Someone else will have to explain how this is done in Unity though
13:06:13 <gjanssens> On the command line it can be done with the command 'ln'
13:06:17 <gjanssens> Like
13:06:58 <gjanssens> ln -s <path-to-.gnucash-in-dropbox> ~/.gnucash
13:07:32 <gjanssens> With <path-to-.gnucash-in-dropbox> likely being something like ~/Dropbox/.gnucash depending on where you moved the .gnucash directory to
13:08:17 <gjanssens> (ln refers to 'link' and the -s switch indicates you want the link to be a softlink)
13:13:31 <yeochief> gjanssens:You are the answer to my prayers. I have used command line before, just like to know that I'm doing something that won't crash the system and send months of work into the ether. I started with C64 in 1980, went to WIN in 1987 been with Ubuntu for several years. BTW I am new to IRC, is there an easy way to get your name at the beginning of a comment?
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13:33:09 <Helpme1986> Hi guys, new to GNUCash and a little confused
13:33:51 <Helpme1986> Currently i use a spreadsheet with a column for each expense with a BANK ACCOUNT column at the end,
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13:34:30 <Helpme1986> When my wage comes in the wage goes into teh Bank account column then my wage is split across the expense columns so that I can see my budget
13:35:31 <Helpme1986> i dont seem to be able to do that in GNUCash and keep the reporting of expenses (e.g. Gas bill ill put in £30 to cover the bill, £30 goes out but report shows £0 spent
13:36:46 <Helpme1986> i think i must be doing something wrong as you must have to put money into the expense accounts otherwise it would just keep adding up
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13:45:27 <gjanssens> yeochief: i'm just typing your name... perhaps there are ways to do this faster, but I don't know any
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13:50:41 <jmd> I've been a bit neglectfull updating my system and now the bank doesn't accept online payments :(
13:51:01 <jmd> Can anyone remind me of the packages to install to get it working again?
13:51:15 <jmd> (I thought I had until August)
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14:12:33 <warlord> Helpme1986: Income and Expense accounts are "magic". Yes, indeed, they DO keep increasing as you incur more and more expense. The GnuCash reports will tell you how much you've spent within a particular timeframe.
14:12:49 <warlord> So when you get a salary it's a transaction from Income:Salary to Assets:Bank
14:13:02 <warlord> When you buy groceries it's a transaction from Assets:Bank to Expenses:Groceries
14:14:42 <warlord> jmd: gnucash only pushes online payments via HBCI in Germany
14:14:46 <warlord> (using AqBanking)
14:16:24 <jmd> warlord: ????
14:16:33 <jmd> How does it know where I am?
14:16:49 <jmd> Does it check my IP address?
14:17:45 <warlord> jmd: it knows what protocols you use.. The only "initiate transaction" protocol gnucash supports is HBCI and the only banks that support that are in Germany
14:18:16 <jmd> I thought it was Europeanwide.
14:18:32 <jmd> (that's what the E in SEPA means)
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14:19:10 <warlord> GnuCash's sepa support is.... new.
14:19:25 <warlord> I dont know what released version(s) support it.
14:19:46 <jmd> Yeah I know. That's why I hadn't updated it.
14:20:01 <jmd> But now the bank refuses to accept anything else.
14:21:20 <warlord> gjanssens_: do you know what versions of gnucash/AqB support SEPA?
14:21:27 * warlord isn't in Europe
14:23:11 <Helpme1986> Warlord: so when working to a budget how do I know how much ive got left to spend that month?
14:24:09 <warlord> Helpme1986: The same way you would do it using any other budget.
14:24:21 <warlord> There are multiple ways to budget in GnuCash..
14:24:30 <warlord> One way is via "bucket budgeting"
14:25:04 <warlord> So instead of just putting you paycheck into Assets:Bank you split it into a bunch of subaccounts: A:Bank:Groceries, A:Bank:Rent, etc.
14:25:20 <warlord> Then when you buy groceries you xfer from A:B:Groceries to Expenses:Groceries
14:25:43 <Helpme1986> ah ok, so basicly duplicate the expense accounts
14:26:16 <warlord> Well, to some extent. It doesn't necessarily need to be 1:1 per se.
14:26:42 <warlord> For example, you could just have A:B:Utilities, but have individual expenses for Electric, Gas, Water, Internet, etc.
14:27:34 <Helpme1986> i pay for everything on credit card then pay off the card at the end of the month, how would that work with the above
14:28:25 <warlord> It wouldn't :
14:28:26 <warlord> :-(
14:28:27 <Helpme1986> i can only think of making 2 entries
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14:29:03 <Helpme1986> can we send links in this channel?
14:29:10 <warlord> If that's the issue then you're better off either using the budget features (which I've never used myself, so I cannot help you with it).. Or use a spreadsheet to keep track of your buckets.
14:29:16 <warlord> cut-and-paste?
14:29:34 <Helpme1986> was going to send a screenshot of what i currently use
14:29:48 <Helpme1986> but keen to move to something that has reporting features
14:31:11 <warlord> try imagebin ?
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14:33:28 <Helpme1986> .org? chrome telling me not to :S
14:34:44 <warlord> try .ca
14:35:17 <Helpme1986> http://imagebin.org/311486
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14:36:33 <Helpme1986> so NW is my main bank account, Barclay is my credit card
14:36:47 <warlord> YUCK..
14:37:03 <warlord> Yeah, you want to use the GnuCash budgeting to be more .. equivalent.. to this.
14:37:19 <Helpme1986> if i spend on Credit card I move funds from one column to credit card
14:37:32 <Helpme1986> then when i pay the card minus it from both columns
14:38:00 <Helpme1986> so is that Tools>Budgets
14:38:18 <Helpme1986> ive looked at that and seems a bit "dumb" but i might not fully understand it
14:40:25 <warlord> When you spend on the credit card in gnucash you make an xfer from CC -> Expense
14:40:34 <warlord> When you pay the CC you make an xfer from Asset -> CC
14:41:07 <warlord> The issue you're having is that there is nothing tying the CC payment from your bank to your budget.. But you need to think about it differently.
14:41:28 <warlord> You shouldn't care where the money is coming from (which account).. Just that you're only spending X amount per expense.
14:42:44 <Helpme1986> k
14:44:13 <Helpme1986> So do you think bucketing is the way forwarD?
14:44:45 <warlord> probably, yes..
14:50:23 <Helpme1986> thank you for your help :D
14:52:50 <warlord> you're welcome. Good luck!
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16:32:33 <gjanssens_> warlord: no I don't know what verion of aqbanking supports SEPA
16:32:49 <gjanssens_> I can't use aqbanking in Belgium so I never paid much attention :(
16:33:11 <warlord> Ah well.
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