2014-03-31 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:45:18 <hseg> Hi. What is the correct way to note a payment made in multiple installments?
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09:57:35 <hseg> It seems to be like an account payable on the personal level.
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11:06:20 <xnox> my internet banking gives me csv output with transaction amount as a single column
11:06:58 <xnox> "+amount" for debit and "-amount" for credit. I've been spitting that into two columns in Excel, is there a way for gnucash to simply support that style of input?
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11:15:50 <warlord> xnox: Sorry, I've never actually used the CSV importer so I don't know if you can specify a single column as a "deb/cred" column. I do know that internally GnuCash has only 1 field for the amount (positive or negative)
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11:20:14 <xnox> warlord: looks like i should select "Balance" type column, which is what "Transaction Amount is"
11:20:33 <xnox> warlord: i somehow thought "Balance" type column is for the "running balance".
11:21:14 <warlord> xnox: Honestly I dont know -- I've never used that UI
11:22:03 <warlord> gjanssens: any idea why code pushed out those emails for all those tags?
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11:26:29 <gjanssens> warlord: I *think* jralls has been cleaning up but we should ask him when he comes online
11:29:43 <warlord> k
11:30:16 <warlord> I know he was having problems pushing to the gnucash-htdocs-docs repo.. And there was a hung process from March 2nd pinging www
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13:02:59 <jralls> warlord: Derek, figured you’d missed the email last night. It was pretty late when I noticed the failed log, even though it had failed at 1700 EDT. We should have seen it when we were talking about the built-docs commit, which went right through this morning, BTW.
13:03:45 <warlord> Interesting.. So it was an issue happening then, which could've been related to my local network issues. I need to acquire a new switch.
13:03:56 <jralls> Umm, not right through, I guess. It’s still pushing to Linas.
13:03:58 <warlord> (my old switch died, so I'm now running with my even older switches)
13:05:35 <warlord> Your push started at 12:23, "finished" at 12:29, which is when it called the post-receive hook. However like last time that hook is "hanging"
13:05:46 <warlord> Alas, I don't see Linas around. gjanssens any chance you could look at www?
13:06:00 <jralls> I got a Netgear GS716T a couple of months ago. Seems to behave pretty well and it wasn’t terrribly expensive.
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13:07:14 <warlord> It's probably not big enough for me.. (My previous switch, that failed, was a 16-port switch -- and it was filled)
13:07:24 <warlord> I'm considering a Cisco 48-port rackmount
13:11:41 <jralls> There’s a 24-port version that’s only a $20 more, the GS724T: http://www.amazon.com/GS724T-300-ProSafe®-24-port-Gigabit-Switch/dp/B00358MP02
13:13:32 <warlord> I'm not sure 24 will be enough for me.. I'm currently using 3 8-port switches and they are full. So 24-port would be almost-full at the onset.
13:13:35 <jralls> SG200-48? That’s a bit more expensive…
13:13:40 <warlord> I'd rather buy something I can grow into
13:15:37 <jralls> Maybe you should think about not trying to run a data center in your house!
13:16:11 <warlord> LOL
13:16:53 <warlord> Now I dont recall what I was looking at.. Maybe it wasn't the cisco, maybe it was the netgear... But I thought it was cisco.
13:20:04 <warlord> SG200-50, maybe?
13:21:51 <jralls> Yeah, that’s the one I meant. Got it cross-threaded with the SF200-48, but the latter is only 100BaseT instead of 1000B-T.
13:22:20 <warlord> Right.
13:22:32 <jralls> The Netgear GS752TP is 50% more than the Cisco and more than 3x the price of the GS724T.
13:22:39 <warlord> Yeah, that's what I'm looking at. I'd be using 50% right out of the box.
13:22:51 <warlord> gotta run.. BIAB
13:23:01 <jralls> CY
13:30:15 <gjanssens> jralls I logged into www to see what's going on there
13:31:00 <gjanssens> The docs git clone has two "dirty" files
13:31:35 <gjanssens> git status indicates the clone is behind two commits from origin/master and can be fast-forwarded
13:31:43 <gjanssens> There are no running git processes
13:32:16 <gjanssens> Unfortunately I can't do any manual corrections because the file permissions are not allowing this to my userid
13:33:07 <jralls> How did the git repo on www get dirty files? Is there a line-ending problem?
13:34:36 <jralls> It appears from my end that the post-commit hook on code is hung, so when git on www refused the push, code didn’t notice.
13:35:49 <gjanssens> I think because a pull got interrupted
13:36:22 <gjanssens> It's not a line-ending issue
13:36:32 <gjanssens> One file is marked as deleted
13:36:46 <jralls> What are the files?
13:36:49 <gjanssens> The other is an ebub file (binary) that is marked as modified
13:37:11 <gjanssens> modified: v2.6/C/gnucash-guide.epub
13:37:17 <jralls> And the mod dates?
13:37:20 <gjanssens> deleted: v2.6/C/gnucash-guide/figures/invest_dividendreinvest2.png
13:38:05 <gjanssens> v2.6/C/gnucash-guide.epub was modified on March 2
13:38:16 <gjanssens> The date warlord said had a hung process
13:40:47 <gjanssens> So your push for 2.6.2 never got pulled completely on www
13:41:08 <jralls> Oh, so 2 March.
13:42:05 <jralls> So we need Linas to clean that up, right?
13:42:22 <gjanssens> I'm afraid so
13:42:41 <jralls> I’ll send him an email, since he’s not here.
13:42:45 <gjanssens> Normally the git repos should have had group write permission
13:42:56 <gjanssens> but the htdocs-docs repo doesn't
13:43:31 <gjanssens> I wonder if this is influenced by the file/directory permissions for the original repo on code
13:44:08 <gjanssens> Or is there a way to tell git which default file permissions to use when creating new files/directories ?
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13:47:44 <jralls> I wouldn’t think so, and I’d think that the permissions at create would depend on the pulling/creating user’s umask.
13:48:11 <jralls> I take it that if you try a ‘git reset —hard’ it says “permission denied”?
13:49:59 <warlord> back.
13:50:26 <jralls> Git on code must have the appropriate credentials, though, to be able to push. Maybe you can “borrow” them?
13:50:33 <gjanssens> jralls: permission denied indeed
13:51:11 <gjanssens> no git on code doesn't have the credentials
13:51:15 <warlord> Or use directory setgid?
13:51:33 <warlord> We might want to fix the kick script so it doesn't "block".
13:51:45 <gjanssens> when changes are pushed to code, code runs a port-knocker
13:51:53 <gjanssens> the git call is initiated locally on www
13:52:09 <gjanssens> it's not a git push starting on code
13:52:11 <jralls> Ah, got it.
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13:52:24 <warlord> however the port-knocker blocks on www's pull.
13:52:35 <gjanssens> warlord the directories are setgid
13:52:36 <warlord> ... and that blocks the push-to-code commit hook
13:52:46 <gjanssens> but the group doesn't have write permissions
13:52:58 <warlord> Oh? Hmm.. Oh, that only sets the group owner, not the permissions.
13:53:24 <gjanssens> the script that runs on port-knock starts with umask 0002
13:53:30 <gjanssens> That should fix permissions
13:53:47 <gjanssens> But it looks like something else decided to remove the group permissions
13:54:27 <warlord> Hmm
13:54:52 <warlord> Still, there are two issues here: the commit-hook blocking and the git repo on www
13:55:20 <jralls> Not if the files are already created. Linas probably had 0022 as his own umask when he did the original pull.
13:55:24 <warlord> I wonder if I should just put the port knocker into the background?
13:55:39 <warlord> I thought gjanssens did the original pull?
13:55:43 <gjanssens> I did indeed
13:56:01 <gjanssens> Well, more precisely the commit-hook did
13:56:06 <gjanssens> All I did as create an empty repo on www and set code as origin repo
13:56:09 <jralls> And what user does the commit-hook run as?
13:56:11 <gjanssens> The rest was handled by the first push
13:56:12 <gjanssens> svn-user
13:56:20 <gjanssens> The same user for the other website repos
13:56:31 <jralls> Can you su to svn-user?
13:57:09 <gjanssens> No
14:00:28 <jralls> So, back to Linas. I just sent him email, cc both of you.
14:01:58 <gjanssens> Ok, ask him to restore group write permissions on the directory gnucash-website-docs
14:02:08 <gjanssens> Then I can take over from there
14:02:24 <gjanssens> (recursive restore that is)
14:02:34 <warlord> Okay, I just changed the port knockers to attempt to go into the background.
14:04:06 <gjanssens> That will at least limit the issue to www only
14:04:34 <warlord> Yep, and should unblock code between pushes
14:05:01 <warlord> gjanssens: what git command are you running right now?
14:05:03 <gjanssens> warlord: what happens with output generated by the script on www that gets triggered by the port-knock
14:05:23 <gjanssens> a git clone on htdocs-docs
14:05:32 <warlord> gjanssens: Ah, okay..
14:05:37 <gjanssens> It's at 65% now
14:06:19 <gjanssens> Is that output forwarded over the port-knock link or should it be handled locally ?
14:06:26 <warlord> Umm... That's a good question. I don't know what happens with that output... I suppose I could change the code to a timeout?
14:06:42 <warlord> I think it's forwarded over the port-knock link.
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14:07:01 <gjanssens> If so, then a timeout would be better
14:07:18 <gjanssens> I can do an experiment with gnucash-htdocs if you like
14:09:56 <warlord> Well, I need to figure out how best to create a timeout.. I don't know if "ncat" has one.
14:11:58 <gjanssens> This output is generated by the commit-hook
14:12:08 <gjanssens> remote: *** Mirror changes to origin (usually github)...
14:12:08 <gjanssens> remote: To ssh://git@github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-htdocs.git
14:12:08 <gjanssens> remote: 1011d5f..27aee87 master -> master
14:12:08 <gjanssens> remote: 1698adb..1011d5f origin/master -> origin/master
14:12:08 <gjanssens> remote: *** Update main website...
14:12:10 <gjanssens> remote: From code.gnucash.org:gnucash-htdocs
14:12:11 <warlord> Aha, looks like I can add -i 600 to timeout after 10 minutes.
14:12:12 <gjanssens> remote: 1011d5f..27aee87 master -> origin/master
14:12:13 <gjanssens> remote: Updating 1011d5f..27aee87
14:12:14 <gjanssens> remote: Fast-forward
14:12:16 <gjanssens> remote: README | 2 +-
14:12:18 <gjanssens> remote: 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
14:12:19 <gjanssens> remote: Ncat: Connection reset by peer.
14:12:42 <gjanssens> The part between *** Update main website *** and Ncat: Connection reset by peer
14:12:45 <gjanssens> comes from www
14:13:31 <gjanssens> So the pull output does travel the netcat link
14:13:54 <gjanssens> The timeout is probably better than backgrounding then
14:14:50 <warlord> Yep.. Changed it to a 60s connect timeout, and a 10m idle timeout
14:14:56 <gjanssens> FWIW the clone of htdocs-docs ran successfully to my local box
14:15:20 <warlord> Cool. It just took a while ;)
14:15:44 <warlord> Want to try another push to htdocs, just to test the updated port-knocker
14:17:39 <gjanssens> remote: Ncat: Since April 2010, the default unit for -i is seconds, so your time of "600" is 10.0 minutes. Use "600ms" for 600 milliseconds. QUITTING.
14:17:45 <gjanssens> Get this error
14:18:49 <gjanssens> warlord: ^
14:21:37 <warlord> Uhhh.. I *WANT* 10 minutes....
14:22:06 <warlord> Okay, I guess I need to change it to 10m
14:22:07 <gjanssens> :)
14:22:13 <warlord> Or explicitly 600s
14:23:17 <warlord> Ok, fixed!
14:23:22 <warlord> Try again?
14:24:15 <gjanssens> That's working fine
14:24:23 <warlord> Cool
14:24:29 <warlord> Hopefully you dont get the ncat disconnect now?
14:25:06 <gjanssens> What do you mean ?
14:26:43 <warlord> <gjanssens> remote: Ncat: Connection reset by peer.
14:26:55 <gjanssens> I still get this
14:27:10 <gjanssens> I think that only means the script on www ended
14:27:30 <gjanssens> I pushed to htdocs-docs the last time
14:27:41 <gjanssens> This is what came back:
14:27:55 <gjanssens> remote: *** Update website docs...
14:27:56 <gjanssens> remote: From code.gnucash.org:gnucash-htdocs-docs
14:27:58 <gjanssens> remote: ea4fb8c..70b501a master -> origin/master
14:28:00 <gjanssens> remote: Ncat: Connection reset by peer.
14:28:26 <gjanssens> The NCat message always happens. Also on a succesful push the the main website
14:28:42 <warlord> Ah, ok.
14:28:57 <gjanssens> When I check the htdocs-docs repo on www, it's still not up to date
14:29:10 <gjanssens> But interestingly the git fetch part did work:
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14:29:27 <gjanssens> git status now says master is 4 commits behind
14:29:41 <gjanssens> It was only 2 when I started looking into it earlier today
14:29:43 <warlord> with -docs or htdocs?
14:30:01 <gjanssens> htdocs-docs, the problem repo
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14:30:25 <gjanssens> So it only fails because of the checked out files
14:30:41 <gjanssens> which I can't revert because I don't have the necessary permissions
14:30:58 <warlord> Right. ok.
14:31:10 <gjanssens> This does reveal something else:
14:31:36 <gjanssens> It looks like ncat forwards stdout but not stderror
14:31:49 <gjanssens> Unless you redirect stderror you code
14:33:07 <warlord> Oh. Hmm
14:34:04 <warlord> Right now the command is: echo "${PASSWORD}" | ${NC} ${WEBHOST} ${PORT} -i 600s -w 60
14:34:37 <warlord> Are you saying I should change that to add 2>&1 at the end?
14:35:32 * gjanssens checks the commit-hook to be sure that one isn't blocking stderr
14:37:05 <gjanssens> There is nothing in particular in the commit-hook
14:37:20 <gjanssens> I'm not sure where to make the change
14:37:59 <gjanssens> Can you run the netcat command manually to check if that generates some output on stderr ?
14:39:11 <jralls> Are you sure that it’s not that netstat isn’t *getting* the stderr on the www end?
14:39:42 <jralls> Sorry, ncat, not netstat.
14:40:09 <gjanssens> That's why I asked to run the command directly
14:40:20 <jralls> “remote: Ncat: Connection reset by peer.” is probably emitted on stderr at the code end.
14:40:54 <warlord> If I run it with >/dev/null (to quiet stdout) then the only output I get is:
14:40:55 <warlord> Ncat: Connection reset by peer.
14:41:01 <warlord> If I dont run it, I get:
14:41:10 <warlord> error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
14:41:10 <warlord> v2.6/C/gnucash-guide.epub
14:41:10 <warlord> Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge.
14:41:10 <warlord> Ncat: Connection reset by peer.
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14:41:36 <gjanssens> That's odd
14:42:08 <gjanssens> I don't see the merge error when pushing remotely
14:42:19 <gjanssens> Although that's the error message I was expecting
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14:43:09 <gjanssens> So your netcat client gets it but the commit hook script doesn't
14:43:14 * gjanssens is puzzled...
14:46:26 * warlord doesn't know either
14:49:00 <gjanssens> warlord: the wrapper scripts you have set up to call ncat do they have some output filtering ?
14:49:10 <gjanssens> update-website and friends
14:50:00 <warlord> Nope
14:50:31 <warlord> They start with #!/bin/sh
14:50:44 <warlord> set a few variables, and then run echo ... | nc ...
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14:53:20 <warlord> Hey linas
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14:56:28 <gjanssens> Hey linas thanks for resetting the directory on www
14:56:56 <gjanssens> warlord: it looks like the gitolite code swallows anything sent to stdout
14:57:32 <gjanssens> To test I added a simple echo "something" >2 in the commit hook but it won't display locally
14:57:45 <warlord> Hmm.. Are you sure it is gitolite and not git?
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14:58:05 <gjanssens> No I'm not
14:58:09 <gjanssens> It's either :)
14:58:26 <warlord> Okay, so how do we isolate?
14:58:52 * gjanssens is still pondering that
14:58:56 <warlord> k
15:00:36 <instance1> Hello. I'm looking at writing code to convert a multi-currency PayPal CSV file to OFX and I have questions, mostly about mapping to GnuCash accounts.
15:01:22 <jralls> umm, >2 redirects to a file named “2” in the CWD. >&1 redirects into stdout, and >&2 into stderr.
15:01:43 <instance1> I'd like to pre-process the mapping while writing the file; There;s some rules I can apply that would speed things up.
15:01:56 <warlord> jralls: 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout
15:02:11 <jralls> Correct.
15:02:31 <jralls> instance1: What mapping while writing what file?
15:04:00 <warlord> the issue here is more trying to figure out who is blocking stdout from the update hook
15:04:02 <instance1> well I have in PayPal Name="some customer". want to be able to look at the currency and map that to Income:sales:Sales(USD) or Income:sales:sales(CAD) depending on the currenct.
15:04:40 <instance1> BTW I have about 2 days total experience with GC so forgive any dumb remarks.
15:04:43 <warlord> Does OFX support multi-currency?
15:06:07 <instance1> It supports a currency override in the transaction, but I could also split it into two OFX files, one per currency. I just want to move "some customer" to a memo field and have the import use an account name (or code if possible)
15:09:16 <warlord> instance1: That would be better... Second question would be why OFX as opposed to QIF?
15:10:03 <instance1> I read bad things about QIF, deprecated, etc. and honestly the format specs are obtuse.
15:10:27 <instance1> don't want a to build a tool for the past...
15:10:40 <instance1> but I've been vacillating between the two.
15:11:12 <warlord> QIF is much easier
15:11:19 <warlord> it's a text file, not SGML
15:11:30 <gjanssens> warlord: my assumption was wrong
15:11:50 <warlord> QIF also supports splits (whereas OFX does not)
15:11:51 <gjanssens> As jralls notes I used the wrong syntax
15:11:59 <warlord> gjanssens: oh
15:12:05 <warlord> oops
15:12:28 <gjanssens> when testing with >&2 the stderror message does appear on my local system
15:12:36 <instance1> right. there's tax in there, so that's the end for OFX. :)
15:12:54 <gjanssens> So it remains is mystery why the merge error didn't come through
15:13:19 <gjanssens> Oh well, I think I'll just leave it at that
15:13:26 <instance1> anyone have a link to a good QIF reference? Quicken seems to have taken theirs down.
15:13:46 <warlord> instance1: wikipedia? google?
15:14:34 <instance1> Tried those, looks like the best version goes to a 404 on GnuCash trac.
15:16:02 <warlord> Oh. Hmm..
15:16:45 <instance1> I have Perl code for csv2qif but that's going to require reverse engineering, which hopefully not path of least resistance.
15:18:50 <instance1> and the last time I looked at Perl the Interewbs were new, so there will be some learnin' to do.
15:18:57 <gjanssens> instance1 what was the exact link on GnuCash trac ?
15:19:09 <instance1> give me a sec...
15:19:45 <instance1> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/import-export/qif-import/file-format.txt
15:20:46 <gjanssens> Ah that file now lives here:
15:20:48 <gjanssens> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/master/src/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt
15:21:46 <instance1> nice. Thanks. I think the Wikipedia article linked to the one I provided...
15:22:47 <warlord> Same change on svn ... qif-import -> qif-imp
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15:26:11 <instance1> Alright. Old skool file formats. Thanks for your help warlord & gjanssens!
15:26:22 <gjanssens> you're welcome
15:30:14 <warlord> good luck
15:34:55 <instance1> Thanks. Also 2.6 kicks Quicken's butt when it comes to multi-currency. Really appreciate the work that has been put into this thing. If I get this thing working without 1000 me-specific quirks I'll post code in a repo somewhere.
15:40:49 <warlord> :)
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15:49:59 <gjanssens> Rats, bugzilla is not responding... a few reporters will have to wait some more for an answer :(
15:53:40 <warlord> Oops
15:56:49 <warlord> gjanssens: did you restart the windows build? If not, I'll go do it.
15:57:13 <gjanssens> warlord: no I didn't
15:57:22 <gjanssens> I wasn't aware that was needed
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15:58:14 <warlord> Actually, looks like it's building right now
15:58:32 <warlord> (looks like it's almost done, actually)
16:01:26 <warlord> jralls: Looks like it re-started overnight on its own after the previous failure yesterday
16:02:41 <jralls> warlord: As it should have, since I retagged it last night after changing the AQB & Gwen versions.
16:03:37 <jralls> Did you forget to check after you sent your email at noon (assuming you’re back in Atlanta)?
16:04:33 <jralls> What time did it start? The trunk build didn’t finish until after 0800.
16:05:46 <warlord> jralls: I didn't forget to check -- I just didn't get to checking until just now.
16:06:22 <jralls> OK… ;-)
16:07:13 <warlord> I've logged out again so harder to check.
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17:01:28 <warlord> jralls: Oh, another thing that gjanssens and I wanted to ask you: why did code send out dozens of messages about old tags?
17:02:14 <gjanssens> I'll read up on the answer tomorrow in the logs
17:02:19 <gjanssens> Time to go
17:02:28 <warlord> see ya gjanssens
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17:02:39 <jralls> Because I ran the re-tag from my laptop and apparently that repo had a bunch of old tags on it.
17:02:44 <jralls> G’night, Geert.
17:03:11 <warlord> oh. hmm
17:03:14 <jralls> git push —tags is unforntunately not very selective.
17:03:35 <warlord> Maybe the tags were never properly pushed from svn?
17:04:15 <jralls> Once I have the release, my taxes, and a change I’ve promised the Gramps folks I’ll adjust the branches and clean up the repo along the lines that Geert and I discussed Saturday.
17:04:31 <warlord> Okay
17:04:35 <warlord> (I did my taxes yesterday)
17:04:36 <jralls> I think they were probably left over from SVN.
17:04:43 <warlord> could be.
17:05:33 <jralls> I just finished Vicki’s and mine, which is > 80% of the work. Ellie’s and AJ’s are pretty simple.
17:13:11 <jralls> Speaking of cleaning up, isn’t it time to clean out the 2013 build logs?
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19:19:35 <jralls> warlord: Dereik, still no release or log. Can you check again?
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20:39:39 <warlord> @tell jralls it is still building.. Right now it's building AqBanking
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