2014-02-10 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:58:05 <Ahmuck> capital --> opening balances is not normally the running bank balance. where do you normally put a bank account?
01:01:01 <Ahmuck> i'm in spanish in gnucash and adding additional categories as well in spanish .. however my accountant is english. is there a translation option for the words i am inputing on account labels in to convert spanish to enlgish
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01:01:32 <Ahmuck> or a file where i can put spanish to english translations so when i send it to him he has an understanding of what i am
01:01:34 <Ahmuck> doing
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02:25:47 <stephan48> warlord: .
02:25:48 <stephan48> 01:59:57 < Ahmuck> Capital --> Opening Balances
02:25:49 <stephan48> 02:00:04 < Ahmuck> I entered my checking accounts here
02:25:49 <stephan48> 02:00:12 < Ahmuck> with opening balances
02:25:49 <stephan48> 02:00:48 < Ahmuck> then added/deducted other accounts/items in Credit cards, bank fees, etc. then corrected all the dates
02:25:52 <stephan48> 02:01:22 < Ahmuck> something else, my deposit does not list first before my withdrawels showing negative balances which does not match my statement
02:25:55 <stephan48> 02:05:23 < Ahmuck> k, nm. i went to my parents house, came back and set back down to work on it and everything shows correctly. wierd
02:25:58 <stephan48> 02:05:57 < Ahmuck> however, bieng able to post bank charges and deposits before withdrawals would be nice. is there a way to set the order of transactions that occur on the same day?
02:26:02 <stephan48> 02:06:17 < Ahmuck> my bank always posts the deposits and bank charges first before the withdrawals
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04:05:02 <JoTraGo> Suddenly having a problem with OFX/QFX import. Getting a blank screen in the Importer window. I have imported my statements successfully for several years up to up to last month. Todays Statement wont import, neither will the previous month's statement which definitely did work, and was imported last month. GC 2.4.10.r21973 (2012-02-12) on ubuntu 12.04 64 bit
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04:28:20 <fell> JoTraGo: I don't know much of OFX, but you could try to get more infos about the failure following http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Something_bad_happened.3B_how_can_I_help_debug.3F .
04:29:08 <fell> BTW: your gnucash version is somewhat outdated.
04:29:50 <fell> AFAIK there are more recent versions in the getdeb repo.
04:36:23 <fell> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced;component=Import%20-%20OFX;product=GnuCash
04:36:42 <fell> gives you the list of all OFX bugs.
04:59:58 <JoTraGo> Fell Yes it is a bit dated but it is the version in the Ubuntu 12.04 repositories. I will be upgrading shortly, and I am about to test GC 2.6 on my Mac. Looking forward to some of the new features. I think I have found my problem. After some digging it seems my bank has changed the format of the OFX output files, which are now no longer ofx compliant (Fail the MS OFX Analyzer) I have informed of them of this. I will check out the buglist as well, thank
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05:27:25 <Michael72> Тут говорят по-русски?
05:32:42 <Michael72> Here speak in Russian?
05:34:22 <warlord> Michael72: no, only English
05:35:07 <warlord> Sorry, I have to leave now.
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05:35:14 <Michael72> I want to download the Gnucash version for Windows
05:37:41 <Michael72> I am experiencing a problem with a link http://kaz.dl.sourceforge.net/project/gnucash/gnucash% 20% 28stable% 29/2.6.1/gnucash-2.6.1-setup.exe
05:38:24 <Michael72> Is there any FTP-access?
05:38:25 <JoTraGo> It's available right from the GNUCash home page http://gnucash.org/ or for other and older versions here http://gnucash.org/download.phtml
05:39:01 <JoTraGo> Try http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.1-setup.exe
05:40:58 <Michael72> The Download Master program by this link does not downloads
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05:43:21 <Michael72> And Internet Explorer can not continue downloading until the end due to unstable internet
05:44:28 <JoTraGo> Hmmm That's strange, works fine for me.
05:46:41 <JoTraGo> A google search for the filename "gnucash-2.6.1-setup.exe" turns up a number of other sites which might host a copy like http://download.cnet.com/GnuCash/3000-2057_4-10689049.html?tag=bc
05:50:29 <JoTraGo> For more stable downloads you might try a download manager like the Open Source http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/index.htm
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05:56:52 <Michael72> have GNUCash localization into Russian?
06:25:10 <Michael72> JoTraGo, Thank you. You helped me find a good link for download
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06:46:50 <JoTraGo> Yes I am pretty sure there is a Russian version. You can choose the language when you install.
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06:56:35 <JoTraGo> Yes Russian is included - see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Concept_Guide_draft/Overview. Also if you are new to GNUCash you will need to study this document fully.
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12:01:48 <stephan48> What would be the propper way to track money lend to collegues? f.e. i lend a collegue 1,99 for lunch but he gives back 2€ how would i track that?
12:02:30 <jmd> stephan48: Well its a debt
12:02:45 <jmd> or rather a credit.
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12:02:55 <stephan48> true
12:03:10 <jmd> Your colleague is a debtor.
12:03:27 <stephan48> but i don't know beforehand how much i get back
12:03:41 <jmd> That is the way with all debtors.
12:03:47 <stephan48> ;)
12:03:55 <jmd> But you do know the face value of the debt.
12:04:33 <jmd> and if you agreed on an interest etc, then you have a reasonable expectation of what you get and when.
12:04:54 <jmd> Of course, there may come a time when you have to write off the debt.
12:05:57 <jmd> ... in which case you would make a transaction from Expenses - Bad Debts -> My Colleagues Debt
12:05:57 <stephan48> we only agree on 1,99 but out of simplicity(hahaha not for bookkeeping simplicity) he told me to keep the 0.01
12:06:58 <jmd> Anyway the amount you lent him is a debt. The interest you get is Interest Income.
12:07:47 <jmd> For bookkeeping purposes it makes no difference if you lend money to the bank or to your friend.
12:07:55 <stephan48> true
12:07:59 <stephan48> ah!
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12:31:52 <JoTraGo> I'm going mad. GNUCash has suddenly started printing Vendor Reoports in reverse (white on Black) I've re installed the printer, tested it with other applications, and printed invoices from withing GNUCash - All OK, but the vendor report is inverse. Any Ideas?
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16:08:21 <warlord> gjanssens, jralls, fell: Just an FYI that there is another winter storm heading towards me. This one looks like more ice than snow, so there is a possibility of a power outage on Tue or Wed. Hopefully not, but you never know with Mother Nature.
16:09:45 <jralls> Thanks for the heads up, and good luck.
16:12:37 <warlord> Thanks.
16:18:51 <gjanssens> Good luck from me too (for wife and kids)
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16:22:58 <thoth> Atlanta is also staring down the barrel of an ice storm.
16:24:05 <warlord> thoth: yes, that's what "towards me" means. :)
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16:49:24 <stephan48> good luck from germany :)
16:49:30 <warlord> thanks, stephan48
16:49:33 <stephan48> we just passed some episodes of winter
16:49:40 <stephan48> poor excuses*
16:49:59 <warlord> LOL
16:50:04 <stephan48> enought of it to be nasty and annoying but not enough to have fun ;)
16:50:09 <warlord> Atlanta just isn't really equipped to handle snow and ice.
16:50:38 <stephan48> atleast you are not in a country building houses out of woodplanks... oh wait?!
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16:50:59 <warlord> LOL
16:51:14 <Ahmuck> hi. if my language is in spanish does gnucash create a set of spanish accounts ?
16:51:30 <warlord> That's usually not the problem -- the problem is that electrical and other utility cables are still strung up in the air instead of buried under ground.
16:51:32 <stephan48> i once saw a docu about tornadoes in the US they mentioned this
16:51:40 <stephan48> even better
16:51:58 <stephan48> (no serious=
16:52:15 <warlord> Ahmuck: the account data can be in whatever language you want... however the account data does not get translated. The only "translation" occurs when you pull in from the New Account Hierarchy process.
16:52:40 <warlord> .. and that (eg. New -> File) wil default to suggesting account hierarchies in your native (UI) language.
16:52:46 <Ahmuck> If I add account data in spanish is there a document that I need to modify it with to export to english?
16:53:01 <Ahmuck> for the accountant?
16:53:08 <warlord> If you want account names/hierarchies in another language you need to run GnuCash in that language long enough to create the account tree. Then you can convert your UI back to natve.
16:53:25 <Ahmuck> i've struggled and struggled with gnucash and double entry accounting and then in an hour it all fit
16:53:31 <warlord> Ahmuck: a dictionary. GnuCash does not do that translation for you
16:53:39 <Ahmuck> yes, i do the translation
16:54:10 <warlord> There is no automatic method to take an account tree in Spanish and "Export" it to English, because you could have created any accounts using whatever names you want.
16:54:27 <Ahmuck> and add the accounts but when I export a report to my accountant will my native spanish names to my accounts remain in spanish or be translated into english. is there a way to create a list of translatable words?
16:54:31 <warlord> So if your goal is that you need an English-only speaker to be able to access your accounts, then you should create them in English.
16:54:44 <warlord> Account names are static
16:54:48 <warlord> They are not transalated, ever
16:54:54 <warlord> nor are your transaction descriptions
16:54:54 <Ahmuck> ok. here is my problem in a moment
16:55:06 <warlord> I understand your problem... GnuCash cannot solve it
16:55:17 <warlord> My recommendation is to generate your accounts in English.
16:55:36 <Ahmuck> the other question, when gnucash starts does it start by the region set of the computer or by the denomination set. for example i live in the US but my computer is set for spanish/mexico
16:55:56 <Ahmuck> when i looked at tax payments i did not see IRS but rather other entity codes
16:56:07 <Ahmuck> warlord: i'd like to
16:56:38 <Ahmuck> warlord: in English. however, the language for my computer is in spanish. as a result gnucash started in spanish without an option to use english
16:56:53 <Ahmuck> to my knowledge
16:58:23 <warlord> Ahmuck: you need to start gnucash in english, generate your accounts, and then you can run it in spanish. E.g.: env LANG=en_US gnucahs
16:58:27 <warlord> er, gnucash
16:58:33 <warlord> (assuming you're on LInux)
16:58:43 <stephan48> quick fix: give your accountant spanish lessons? :)
16:58:53 <warlord> Yes, gnucash by default uses your system locale.. but you can override that
16:59:14 <Ahmuck> i'm on linux. so if my gnucash started in mexico/spanish i can set the env LANG=en_US to set the language and country code?
16:59:16 <warlord> And it will, by default, get the currency and decimal from the locale.
16:59:40 <warlord> yes, LANG=en_US will set it to US English, $, and 1,000.00
16:59:44 <Ahmuck> stephan48: heh, that's what i'm doing, learning spanish
16:59:53 <stephan48> wait?
17:00:00 <warlord> (technically you might need en_US.utf-8
17:00:01 <stephan48> you are learning spanish?
17:00:05 <Ahmuck> stephan48: and i've learned way more than i expected to by having gnucash in spanish which was not the intent
17:00:19 <stephan48> why don't you use it in englisch?
17:00:20 <stephan48> hahaha
17:00:35 <stephan48> a crazy way to learn a language: by the accounting software
17:00:53 <Ahmuck> well, hrm ... i needed spanish language spelling correction so i installed spanish language. for some reason it defauted to spanish and i never bothered changing it
17:01:35 <Ahmuck> when i installed gnucash it came up in spanish and i thought i would have the option of changing it in english because i did not know any of the language in gnucash (accounts/ cash/ etc)
17:01:59 <Ahmuck> so ... i fought with it for about a week trying to find a way to change the language and then gave up and decided to learn it the spanish way
17:02:01 <warlord> Ahmuck: the only way to change it is via the system and/or env var
17:02:07 <Ahmuck> however now i have a problem
17:02:15 <warlord> Ahmuck: I recommend you start over.
17:02:24 <warlord> Run GnuCash in English
17:02:58 <Ahmuck> i can't import the file into an english version. i have windows 7 dual boot and i thought i might export and then use the export in the english side on windows 7
17:04:26 <Ahmuck> i can't really start over, all the transaction descriptions are in english, the account descriptions defaulted in spanish ... i've been entering in information for hours for about a week
17:04:57 <stephan48> why cant' you import it?
17:05:35 <Ahmuck> i can. when i export it won't it export the type names in spanish? then it would not import in english
17:05:35 <warlord> No, you cannot import. What you MIGHT be able to do is use GnuCash2QIF to convert your existing file to QIF, then restart gnucash in English, generate an English set of accounts, import the QIF, and then make sure you map each spanish category/account to the correct English translation.
17:05:54 <Ahmuck> there is a bit of a language gap i am dealing with ... and i need english to better understand the catagories
17:06:10 <Ahmuck> ARG!
17:06:17 <Ahmuck> i can't import?
17:06:30 <Ahmuck> could i import and then rename the category types?
17:06:31 <warlord> No, there is no "import gnucash file" function
17:06:40 <Ahmuck> ack ack ack
17:06:48 <Ahmuck> no import from one to another?
17:06:54 <warlord> If you're willing to do that then why not just rename your existing accounts?
17:07:02 <Ahmuck> how does one export to the accountant who uses quickbooks
17:07:09 <warlord> No, no import from one to another
17:07:15 <warlord> Ahmuck: you dont
17:07:21 <Ahmuck> warlord, i probally will. it will be a salvage option
17:07:43 <warlord> You send them a Balance Sheet, Income Statement, and Transaction Report. There is no GnuCash<->QB import/export
17:07:50 <Ahmuck> first i need to see the chart of accounts in the english language and determine the equivelant
17:08:19 <warlord> It might not be a 1:1 mapping... Often the foreign-language account trees are also organized based on local accounting rules
17:08:23 <Ahmuck> so i can't recommend my accountant use gnucash to read my accounts by importing my export?
17:08:38 <Ahmuck> ah, yes! that is what i suspected
17:08:50 <Ahmuck> mapping local accounting rules
17:09:16 <Ahmuck> well, i suspected it after trying to find a place to put my IRS tax payment and the three letter stuff was not the same
17:09:24 <Ahmuck> ok, yes, i might start over
17:09:29 <warlord> Ahmuck: you could have them use GnuCash and then you could send them your datafile directly. No need to "Import" or "Export" anything.
17:09:30 <Ahmuck> not much loss except time
17:10:04 <Ahmuck> but i've learned a lot while mucking through the program in spanish. i've actually learned how to use it effectively
17:10:15 <warlord> Cool.
17:13:51 <Ahmuck> so your saying i can start the program in english in linux by setting the language/environment variable before startingthe program
17:13:56 <Ahmuck> ?
17:15:32 <Ahmuck> heh, transporte publico is there for a good reason. it's taxi's, buses or big buses in Mexico
17:16:36 <Ahmuck> so in preferences i did not see a set option for region/language
17:16:47 <Ahmuck> prior to starting the new accounts
17:17:22 <Ahmuck> hey, thx for ur help. i'm going to download it for the windows side i guess
17:18:44 <warlord> Ahmuck: yes, set the env var before starting the program.
17:18:52 <warlord> There is nothing in the gnucash prefs
17:18:58 <warlord> it takes it from the system/env
17:19:01 <Ahmuck> env var in the program?
17:19:09 <Ahmuck> let me google it
17:19:21 <warlord> Not *in* the program, per se...
17:19:27 <warlord> google for "linux environment variable"
17:24:22 <Ahmuck> got it
17:24:34 <Ahmuck> LANGUAGE=es LANG=en_US gnucash
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17:24:44 <Ahmuck> so it looks like i can set it on the go
17:25:05 <ttoko> Hi, is there a way to get Bitcoin support?
17:25:19 <ttoko> I thought there was a patch, but I cannot seem to find anything now...
17:25:21 <Ahmuck> or specifically en spaninsh language with us category/report
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18:25:08 <jralls> ttoko: We have overflow issues with Bitcoin because of its very high fraction. We suggest that you create a milli-bitcoin commodity so that you need only 6 decimal places.
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19:03:05 <warlord> jralls: I always recommend people deal in mBTC (miliBTC, 1/1000 BTC)
19:05:48 <jralls> Isn't that what I said?
19:06:15 <warlord> Oh, yeah, you did. Sorry..
19:06:21 <warlord> Please chalk it up to jet-lag brain-fry
19:06:53 <jralls> Welcome to California, home of fried brains. ;-)
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19:22:16 <warlord> LOL Indeed.
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19:43:58 <gwb> Help! My gnucash segfaults whenever I try to open another tab.
19:44:21 <gwb> First started happening on 2.4.13 and now on 2.6.1
19:47:05 <warlord> gwb: OS/Distro?
19:50:44 <gwb> openSUSE 13.1 - RPMs from GNOME:Apps - running KDE 4.11.5
19:52:36 <gwb> XML data file is ~3.5MB
19:54:01 <warlord> What changed on your system between when it was last working and when it started crashing?
19:54:16 <warlord> Can you get a http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace ?
19:55:22 * warlord has to leave in 15 minutes
19:56:05 <gwb> Problem has worsened over time - first was intermittent, now almost solid
19:56:17 <warlord> Are you sure it's not a hardware problem?
19:56:40 <warlord> (a consistent stack trace would be helpful)
19:56:58 <gwb> Let me work on that
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19:59:28 <warlord> Okay. if you can get a consistent trace please file a bug report.
19:59:33 <warlord> (and attach the trace)
20:02:39 <gwb> SIGSEGV 0x00007f592f549cac in g_type_check_instance_is_a () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
20:03:12 <gwb> Looks like I need some more debug symbols for full backtrace
20:03:50 <warlord> yep. but looks at first glance that it's a bug in libgobject
20:04:06 <warlord> Did you upgrade any libraries recently?
20:10:05 <gwb> Whole system upgraded to 13.1 on 20 Jan - that's the last I touched Gnome/guile
20:10:40 <warlord> gwb: and is that about when it started getting bad?
20:10:46 <gwb> Problem started last Wed
20:11:03 <warlord> Okay, what happened on Wednesday?
20:14:10 <warlord> Sorry, I gotta run.
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20:14:41 <gwb> OK, will get trace into bugzilla
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21:10:45 <Ahmuck> k, wierdness
21:10:53 <Ahmuck> it's calculating wrong
21:11:22 <Ahmuck> i also made an effort to split a transaction. i posted both items in the split but it only shows the value of one item
21:35:11 <Ahmuck> 1. Bank Deposit
21:35:24 <Ahmuck> 2. Wire Transfer xx.x
21:35:33 <Ahmuck> 3. Wire Transfer Fee xx.x
21:35:41 <Ahmuck> 4. xx.x
21:36:00 <Ahmuck> close split transaction. only Wire Transfer shows in Withdrawal
21:36:04 <kpreid> Ahmuck: unless you're in "journal" view, each register only shows the value of the split lines affecting that account except when you're viewing the particular transaction
21:36:11 <Ahmuck> two are added except below the splits
21:36:26 <kpreid> so what you described is normal if you're in the "wire transfer" register
21:37:30 <Ahmuck> don't understand. u have a link somewhere
21:37:55 <Ahmuck> i need to split a number of transactions. i was expecting an expanding/collapsing transaction with the final total to the side
21:38:00 <Ahmuck> but i'm not getting a total
21:40:03 <kpreid> if you want the "total" then you need to look at it from the side which is the total, which in this case would be "Bank Deposit" I suppose
21:40:12 <kpreid> i.e. whichever asset you paid out of
21:41:21 <Ahmuck> k, my bank lumped a wire transfer to another bank and the fee togather
21:41:41 <Ahmuck> so i thought i would split the deposit to the other bank and put the fee in bank charges
21:49:53 <Ahmuck> k, i am spliting across account types
21:50:22 <Ahmuck> so i am spliting to assets and expenses
21:50:53 <Ahmuck> the help gives an example of a split transaction but the split is within the salary account. is it not possible to split across account types?
21:55:17 <Ahmuck> do i have to create a wire transfer account and then split from that account?
21:55:27 <Ahmuck> i'm really confused about the splits
22:03:56 <kpreid> "split the deposit to the other bank and put the fee in bank charges" -- that's a fine thing to do
22:04:10 <kpreid> there is no restriction on what accounts splits can involve
22:05:17 <kpreid> what you're saying you want to do is fine
22:08:13 <Ahmuck> i don't understand why i'm not able to do it
22:09:07 <Ahmuck> i'm really lost. i need splits however because i need to split reciepts to different tax deductable categories, ie supplies, moving, education, groceries
22:09:23 <Ahmuck> something else ... does this make sense?
22:09:27 <Ahmuck> 39.34 -23.29 + 700.00 - 715.00 = 1.65
22:09:30 <Ahmuck> 39.34 + 700.00 - 700.00 - 15.00 - 23.29 = 1.05
22:09:48 <Ahmuck> the numbers and the additions/subtractions are the same but there is a difference of .60 cents
22:11:28 <Ahmuck> really confused
22:13:29 <Ahmuck> heh, lol they are the same. the bank statement is wrong, it's credited me a mystrey .60 cents
22:14:15 <Ahmuck> arg, nm. my opening balance is wrong
22:15:26 <Ahmuck> sry
22:58:13 <Ahmuck> i've managed to close my list of accounts tab, is there a way to get it back
23:05:35 <Ahmuck> k, i've managed to close all the pages somehow. is there an option to open the list of accounts page?
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23:09:01 <Ahmuck> picked it up from backup
23:11:32 <Ahmuck> arg! how do i get the pages back?
23:13:00 <warlord> Which pages?
23:14:45 <Ahmuck> i closed all the pages
23:14:53 <Ahmuck> don't know how to get the accounts page back
23:14:59 <Ahmuck> *sigh*
23:18:11 <warlord> View -> New Acocunts Page
23:23:17 <Ahmuck> warlord, i'm really confused about split transactions
23:23:28 <warlord> read the docs
23:23:38 <warlord> the docs are quite clear on split txns.
23:23:45 <Ahmuck> i've followed the docs, but it is for a deposit
23:23:46 <warlord> total debits == total credits
23:24:00 <warlord> deposit/withdrawal... doesn't matter.
23:24:18 <Ahmuck> and the deposit is for a single account, payroll. i'm trying to split across assets and expenses
23:24:35 <Ahmuck> two different account catagories. it doesn't matter?
23:25:02 <warlord> Nope, doesn't matter at all.
23:25:16 <warlord> All that matters is total credits == total debits
23:26:22 <Ahmuck> i'll read more, but i'm getting lost somewhere
23:27:47 <warlord> dont press 'enter' until you're done
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