2014-01-27 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:10:07 <YuryP> Hi, I'm trying to set up ofx connection to a vanguard account, i'm getting a Bad Request reply from the server. Enabling the ofx debugging here is what I see
04:10:10 <YuryP> Sending:
04:10:11 <YuryP> -------------------------------------
04:10:11 <YuryP> OFXHEADER:100
04:10:11 <YuryP> DATA:OFXSGML
04:10:11 <YuryP> VERSION:102
04:10:11 <YuryP> SECURITY:NONE
04:10:13 <YuryP> ENCODING:USASCII
04:10:15 <YuryP> CHARSET:1252
04:10:17 <YuryP> COMPRESSION:NONE
04:10:19 <YuryP> OLDFILEUID:NONE
04:10:21 <YuryP> NEWFILEUID:20140127010048.000
04:10:23 <YuryP> <OFX><SIGNONMSGSRQV1><SONRQ><DTCLIENT>20140127010048.000<USERID>****
04:10:25 <YuryP> <USERPASS>****
04:10:27 <YuryP> <LANGUAGE>ENG<FI><ORG>The Vanguard Group<FID>1358</FI><APPID>QWIN<APPVER>2200<CLIENTUID>*****<
04:10:29 <YuryP> /SONRQ></SIGNONMSGSRQV1><BANKMSGSRQV1><STMTTRNRQ><TRNUID>20140127010048.000<CLTCOOKIE>1<STMTRQ><
04:10:31 <YuryP> BANKACCTFROM><BANKID>vanguard.com<ACCTID>88063281451<ACCTTYPE>MONEYMRKT</BANKACCTFROM><INCTRAN><
04:10:33 <YuryP> DTSTART>20140127010020.000<DTEND>20140127010046.000<INCLUDE>Y</INCTRAN></STMTRQ></STMTTRNRQ></BA
04:10:35 <YuryP> NKMSGSRQV1></OFX>
04:11:18 <YuryP> Any pointers on what could be going wrong? Would really like to avoid brute forcing through all the settings.
04:15:10 <YuryP> If someone could post a sample successful request
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10:58:32 <warlord> YuryP: You might want to ask on the gnucash-user mailing list -- the AqB author reads that
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13:18:57 <warlord> jralls: Hard to believe the 2.6.1 build didn't finish until 2am ET!!
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13:34:58 <linas__> ola warlord
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13:35:42 <linas> what's up?
13:36:24 <warlord> Hey linas!
13:36:27 <warlord> How are you?
13:37:15 <warlord> There was some discussion going on about some restructuring of www.gnucash.org that would potentially require a second git-repo. It would require you to set up another port-knocker + magic script to pull the second repo down..
13:37:44 <linas> OK ...
13:38:21 <linas> I'm usually around most of the time, often forget to look at IRC ...
13:38:24 <warlord> That's it. Just wanted to get you in the loop.
13:38:43 <warlord> I dont think we have a timeframe. Maybe gjanssens can answer when he looks up.
13:40:28 <linas> BTW I'm hopefully expecting a super-whiz-bang fiber optic connection in the next 3 months i.e. much faster speeds, and so more hosting ability.
13:41:58 <warlord> FiOS?
13:44:02 <linas> "gigapower"
13:45:22 <warlord> Hmm, never heard of them. But cool! I wish I had a reasonable FttH option here. Alas, I'm pretty much stuck with Comcrap. My only other "reasonable" option is U-Verse, which sucks worse.
13:45:34 <linas> AT&T is trying to stop google from entering the market, so they are finally allowing me to buy the fiber optic they installed 15 years ago. See, competition is good!
13:46:26 <linas> Meanwhile the third company is trying to beat both to market.
13:46:59 <linas> Google won't do static IP, though, so that's where they lose.
13:47:31 <warlord> * nods *
13:48:43 <linas> I dunno, they're all mega-corps now. Maybe I should go with the third, the underdog, but I'm not convinced .. they're trying to retrofit thier old cable-tv wires ...
13:49:09 <warlord> Hmm
13:51:58 <linas> whatever ... if all goes well, I'm offering ability to backup/mirror stuff.
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13:55:21 <warlord> Cool. Have you thought about good (encrypted) backup tech?
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13:58:31 <linas> I've thought about it many times over the last two decades. Haven't done a thing about it yet.
13:59:45 <warlord> LOL
13:59:55 <warlord> I've begun to wonder about "owncloud"
14:00:01 <warlord> But I don't know how secure it is.
14:00:42 <gjanssens> hi warlord linas
14:00:56 <linas> these days, I'm really heads down working on AI, and am pretty much ignoring everything else
14:01:06 <linas> hi gjanssens
14:01:07 <gjanssens> What security are you looking for in owncloud?
14:01:33 <gjanssens> It's a web service which can be configure to enforce https
14:01:55 <gjanssens> On your server you have to deal with security like any other
14:03:48 <gjanssens> Re the split of the website repo
14:03:56 <gjanssens> It would require two things actually:
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14:04:16 <gjanssens> 1. a second port-knocker
14:04:56 <gjanssens> 2. a minor apache config change to set up an alias to the new repo
14:05:37 <gjanssens> What we want to do is make www.gnucash.org/docs/ point at its own directory on the server filesystem
14:06:09 <gjanssens> The independent directory would be a git repo of its own
14:06:45 <gjanssens> And while writing this, I wonder how to deal with the beta site setup
14:07:05 <gjanssens> Does it need its own independent docs directory as well ?
14:07:42 <gjanssens> Or could we simply add an alias from www.gnucash.org/beta/docs to the same docs directory ?
14:08:24 <gjanssens> Personally I don't think beta needs yet another separate portknocker for docs
14:08:58 <gjanssens> It all depends on whether someone eventually wants to do experiments with the docs directory
14:09:26 <gjanssens> Regarding timing: I can probably have the preparations done in 2-3 weeks time
14:09:43 <gjanssens> It's not much work but I've got a lot of other stuff to deal with right now
14:09:56 <linas> ok ... I can set something up now if you wish ..
14:11:21 <gjanssens> That's fast :)
14:12:03 <gjanssens> But I don't have a repo yet to put for docs on the server
14:12:30 <gjanssens> So the port-knock would result in an error message
14:12:48 <gjanssens> And more importantly as there is no docs directory yet on the server
14:13:08 <gjanssens> setting up the aliases now would remove access to current docs
14:14:25 <gjanssens> But anyway, I'd like to take the opportunity while it's there so...
14:14:56 <gjanssens> I'll set up a improvised docs directory in a minute
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14:15:26 <gjanssens> Then you can do your set up already and I can fill in the rest when I've got some more time
14:15:27 <warlord> We can set up the port-knock now (and create an empty repo in git), but wait to add the Alias until later?
14:16:22 <gjanssens> If I create a dummy docs directory with the current contents of htdocs/docs
14:16:27 <gjanssens> both can be set up IMO
14:16:53 <gjanssens> I don't expect a documentation update between now and the end of February
14:17:47 <warlord> That works.
14:18:12 <warlord> Do we need a push into github?
14:19:39 <gjanssens> I don't know
14:19:58 <gjanssens> It's not really a source repo
14:20:01 <jralls> Let's not. The doc sources are already there, this is just a way to get the binaries onto the web server.
14:20:45 <gjanssens> jralls: the windows build probably ended so late because I only could restart it at 6pm here
14:20:54 <gjanssens> That's about 12 hours behind schedule
14:21:22 <gjanssens> And maybe it was slower because I had a remote connection open most of the time
14:21:35 <jralls> Yeah, it takes 12 hours. It bugs me a bit that it takes so long.
14:21:36 <gjanssens> So some resources went to updating the gui
14:21:49 <warlord> Hmm
14:21:55 <warlord> 12 hours is still pretty long..
14:22:09 <warlord> Perhaps it's not optimizing itself for the 2nd CPU?
14:22:52 <jralls> Gcc should do that automatically, unless it's getting -j1 as an arg.
14:23:02 <warlord> Okay, if not github; how do we give git access to www... gitolite doesn't provide "anonymous git", AFAIK
14:23:35 <gjanssens> jralls: did you build the docs for the website as well being html/pdf/epub/mobi in all supported languages ?
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14:23:51 <jralls> Assuming of course that it can see the second core. Isn't XP single-core?
14:24:27 <gjanssens> warlord: what do you mean with "give git access to www..." ?
14:24:45 <gjanssens> Ah, oh, nevermind, got it
14:24:47 <warlord> I dont have anonymous git access set up on code (or new-code)
14:24:49 <jralls> I did build everything that I know about building, and pushed according to http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Release_Process
14:26:48 <jralls> Why does it need to be anonymous?
14:28:07 <warlord> jralls: the alternative is generating an ssh key on www and creating a user in gitolite via ssh..
14:28:09 <gjanssens> Exactly. Perhaps we can have www pull using ssh authentication from git
14:28:46 <gjanssens> I was about the check on www if I have permissions to set that up
14:28:55 <jralls> Derek, yes, obviously, and that seems to me to be a better way.
14:29:07 <gjanssens> But I can't access www currently - connection timed out
14:29:39 <gjanssens> Website works fine though
14:30:01 <gjanssens> linas: do you know why I can't login to www.gnucash.org currently ?
14:30:48 <warlord> it certainly requires less work from me ;)
14:34:02 <gjanssens> jralls: I don't see a commit on htdocs to push the updated documentation on the webite
14:34:21 <gjanssens> Is that part not described in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Release_Process ?
14:35:02 * gjanssens is checking...
14:35:26 <gjanssens> Hmm, there is reference to uploading to htdocs, but it's a bit ambiguous
14:35:44 <gjanssens> It seems to suggest this should only happen for a new major release
14:35:46 <jralls> Oh, you're right. I pushed the release and forgot to push the docs. Serves me right for doing it before caffeine. Pushing now.
14:37:40 <warlord> As I say to my 18-month-old.... PUUUSSSSHHHH!!!
14:37:50 <gjanssens> LOL
14:37:53 <jralls> Actually, I forgot to push anything. I uploaded setup.exe, sent the email, and didn't push.
14:39:19 <warlord> OOPS
14:39:37 <gjanssens> BTW I was browsing gnucash related bug reports the fedora bugtracker yesterday
14:39:56 <gjanssens> There was already a bug against 2.6.1 reported there before the windows build even finished
14:40:05 <gjanssens> We do have some eager users :)
14:40:30 <warlord> LOL
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14:42:43 <warlord> "multiple changes pushed"
14:44:30 <gjanssens> jralls: thanks
14:44:37 <gjanssens> All is there except the japanes pdf
14:47:44 <gjanssens> japanese
14:48:16 * gjanssens can't ssh into www.gnucash.org anymore...
14:48:34 <gjanssens> Hopefully linas will check on irc once more to help me out...
14:48:35 <warlord> :( linas ?
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14:54:14 <jralls> I hadn't added japanese-guide.pdf to the repo because I hadn't built it for 2.6.0 -- didn't know how yet. I forgot that when I committed yesterday. Just pushed.
14:55:23 <gjanssens> Yay !
14:57:04 <jralls> Re: 722455, the trace file will show what is set in C. It won't show what that d.*d setlocale(LC_ALL, "") in guile is finding, and that's where the Greek must be coming from.
15:00:13 <gjanssens> I am curious if whatever we get from the system is a typical locale or a Windows one
15:00:33 <gjanssens> I read windows uses full country names for locales
15:00:41 <jralls> That's a good question.
15:00:53 <gjanssens> But I am curious how this passes through mingw and glibc and such
15:01:11 <gjanssens> Whether there's some translation going on or not
15:01:42 <jralls> It does indeed. I know what it does in Python, but I haven't tried C, or guile for that matter.
15:02:54 <gjanssens> If the problem turns out to be in guile, the most likely suggestion we'll ge t from the guile community is to upgrade to guile 2
15:03:06 <gjanssens> Too much has changed in that area
15:03:34 <gjanssens> And as they already said, "we were lucky it worked at all"
15:03:59 <gjanssens> On the bright side they're really a helpful bunch
15:04:01 <YuryP> ok .. cleared the aqbanking error, the issue was the account type
15:04:55 <gjanssens> any preference for a repo name for the build docs ?
15:05:06 <gjanssens> gnucash-docs-precompiled ?
15:06:11 <YuryP> was wondering why gnucash trace has the messages Ignoring group [BUYMF]
15:06:44 <linas> stepped away
15:07:13 <gjanssens> linas can you check why I can't ssh into www.gnucash.org ?
15:10:44 <linas> what's the ssh error message gjanssens?
15:11:03 <gjanssens> linas: ssh: connect to host www.gnucash.org port 22: Connection timed out
15:13:46 <gjanssens> jralls, warlord: how should I call the repo to store the compiled docs ?
15:13:55 <gjanssens> is gnucash-docs-precompiled ok ?
15:14:09 <linas> looking ..
15:14:42 <linas> what IP are you coming from?
15:14:59 <warlord> sure.. or htdocs-docs?
15:15:47 <jralls> I like htdocs-docs, or gnucash-htdocs-docs better. Makes it clear that it's for the website.
15:16:24 <gjanssens> linas: 81.82.192.49
15:16:57 <gjanssens> gnucash-hdocs-docs is more consistent with the other names we have. I'll take that
15:29:48 <linas> wtf
15:30:52 <linas> oh right.
15:31:12 <linas> gjanssens is that a static IP?
15:31:21 <gjanssens> yes
15:31:59 <linas> about a month ago, I got tired of a never ending stream of ssh passwd guessing and disabled that port.
15:32:47 <gjanssens> oh did you open another one instead ?
15:32:53 <linas> It'll take me a minute to figure out how tto turn it back on ..
15:33:21 <gjanssens> While you're at it you may change to a non-default port
15:33:55 <linas> I guess that would add a little bit of security
15:34:44 <gjanssens> Well at least some security
15:35:00 <gjanssens> I meant to say obscurity, which is not really security
15:35:19 <gjanssens> But it does keep the stream of script kiddies low
15:42:04 <warlord> I used to have a script based on swatch; now I use fail2ban..
15:42:33 <warlord> It seems to help some of the attacks, but wont completely lock out legitimate users like the current system.
15:46:30 <linas> ok gjanssens should work now.
15:46:51 <linas> sorry it took so log, I was poking around
15:47:23 <gjanssens> it's working indeed. Thanks
15:47:39 <warlord> yay
15:47:55 <linas> the problem wth scripts is that they can be hard to maintain ... sometimes they stop working after a ssyttem update
15:47:55 <gjanssens> warlord, jralls: fyi I have created a new repo on code called gnucash-htdocs-docs
15:48:07 <warlord> cool.
15:48:10 <gjanssens> you both have write access as well
15:48:36 <linas> I used to have a fairly fancy ssh passwd guessing script but it was too much of a hassle.
15:48:44 <warlord> and 'www' will have read access, I presume
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15:49:44 <gjanssens> I have split off htdocs/docs' history and pushed it into that repo
15:49:58 <gjanssens> So it now has the full history of the docs directory and only that
15:50:06 <gjanssens> Should be good to start
15:50:33 <gjanssens> At some point we have to delete that directory and all its history from htdocs, but before we do that we have to inform the other devs
15:51:04 <gjanssens> That operation will have a similar effect as when we redid the repos when moving to code
15:51:14 <gjanssens> All commit hashes will change
15:51:55 <jralls> I don't see why that would matter.
15:58:42 <warlord> Would it make all existing clones "invalid"?
15:58:58 <gjanssens> Because you rip out history in between
15:59:33 <gjanssens> That means we recreate the repo, but every commit into the docs directory is skipped
16:00:03 <gjanssens> And the hash of any given commit is affected by the hash of its parent
16:00:57 <gjanssens> Completely eliminating the history of the docs directory is the goal of this excercise
16:01:06 <jralls> Yes, everyone who plays in gnucash-htdocs needs to re-clone. You also may need to manually force-push to Github.
16:01:25 <gjanssens> To make the htdocs small enough to be workable for casual website changes
16:01:48 <gjanssens> jralls: and that's why I want to warn the other devs
16:02:09 <gjanssens> If they have commits waiting locally they should take extra care to stash them
16:02:34 <gjanssens> I think actually they not necessarily have to reclone
16:02:39 <jralls> Stash won't work. They need to commit and format-patch so that they can re-apply them.
16:02:55 <gjanssens> A git fetch followed by a git reset origin/<branch> should work as well
16:03:28 <jralls> If you don't reclone you'll have two trees. I guess you could use git gc after pulling.
16:03:44 <gjanssens> git gc will kick in automatically after some time as well
16:04:11 <gjanssens> If the dark area of the commit pool gets too big
16:04:53 <gjanssens> And from the looks of it even format-patch is not really necessary
16:05:03 <gjanssens> cherry-pick can handle multiple commits at once
16:05:25 <gjanssens> So this should work:
16:05:48 <jralls> If re-cloning isn't necessary stash should work ok.
16:06:09 <gjanssens> 1. in case of no local history
16:06:12 <jralls> Is gnucash-htdocs ready to test?
16:06:19 <gjanssens> - git fetch
16:06:32 <gjanssens> - git reset --hard origin/master
16:07:11 <gjanssens> - if you have beta as well: checkout beta, and git reset --hard origin/beta
16:07:26 <gjanssens> - then optionally git gc
16:07:45 <gjanssens> 2. in case of local history
16:08:05 <gjanssens> (let me check something)
16:10:12 <gjanssens> - for each local branch: make a tmp branch at its base (usually equal to master)
16:10:20 <gjanssens> - check out origin/master
16:11:08 <gjanssens> - git cherry-pick tmp..<your branch head>
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16:12:11 <gjanssens> - create new branch name
16:12:21 <warlord> This seems overly complicated for all the devs ;)
16:12:23 <gjanssens> Hmm the order is not ideal here
16:12:35 <gjanssens> Most devs don't have local commits
16:13:05 <gjanssens> Anyway git have many ways, I don't know which is the easiest
16:13:12 <warlord> I guess htdocs/.git is currently 229M -- that is pretty large.
16:13:29 <gjanssens> That's mostly the docs directory
16:14:00 <gjanssens> When I pushed it upstream, it pushed 279M
16:14:09 <gjanssens> Odd that would be more
16:14:32 <gjanssens> jralls: what do you mean with is gnucash-htdocs ready to test ?
16:14:33 <warlord> I haven't pulled recently, which is why mine is smaller
16:14:37 <jralls> I think re-cloning is easiest. I don't think that anyone's likely to have much in the way of local commits. It's just the website.
16:14:55 <gjanssens> That's fine with me as well :)
16:15:29 <jralls> I mean have you changed history so that I can try fetching & resetting?
16:20:45 <gjanssens> No, because if I do that now the documentation will be gone from the live website as well
16:21:23 <gjanssens> But I'll push a test repo to my own github account when the filter is done
16:21:47 <jralls> Oh, OK.
16:25:05 <linas> ok gjanssens its http://gnucash.org/docs-new/ and portknock 42421 should work.
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16:32:49 <gjanssens> But before this can do anything useful we need to get an ssh keypair set up for the user that will pull the repos
16:33:50 <warlord> OKay, script set up as update-website-docs
16:34:17 <warlord> gjanssens: you can update the hook to call that.
16:34:36 <linas> I just made a copy of the other two port=knock devices and changed the port
16:34:52 <warlord> linas: sounds good to me..
16:35:02 <warlord> What user will do the pull?
16:35:07 <linas> and aimed it all at the brand-new docs dir you just created minutes ago
16:35:54 <linas> same as the others .. I assumed the other git details are same as before
16:36:40 <warlord> not exactly.. but we *could* change the website to pull from code instead of github for the other repos, once we set up the ssh key
16:36:40 <gjanssens> yes it's the same user
16:36:53 <gjanssens> being svn-mirror
16:37:02 <gjanssens> I've got to go for tonight
16:37:11 <gjanssens> I'll look at the rest tomorrow
16:37:58 <linas> ok
16:38:01 <warlord> Thanks, gjanssens
16:38:24 <linas> right now the script just does "git pull" and the url it pulls from is in the .git file in that dir
16:39:34 <warlord> right.
16:40:03 <warlord> The other places use anonymous git from github; this git repo will need an ssh key set up for this user.
16:42:17 * gjanssens is wondering if the git config file allows to specify ssh parameters
16:42:47 <gjanssens> Or whether it can only take these from the ssh config for the user running the pull command
16:43:14 <warlord> gjanssens: I dont understand, why would that matter?
16:43:23 <gjanssens> In the first case I can set it all up
16:43:47 <gjanssens> Otherwise linas will have to do some additional ssh configuring for the svn-mirror user
16:43:48 <warlord> What kind of ssh config do you need?
16:44:06 <gjanssens> I need to tell git which ssh keys to use to do the pull
16:44:22 <warlord> Why? Just use the same set
16:44:34 <gjanssens> and perhaps with a predefined username that's different from the system user name
16:44:40 <gjanssens> There is no set yet
16:44:45 <gjanssens> That's the whole point
16:44:57 <warlord> The username is easy: clone ssh://user@host/...
16:45:13 <warlord> ssh will only look in $HOME/.ssh
16:45:22 <gjanssens> Heh right :)
16:45:40 <gjanssens> That's what I was wondering about
16:46:00 <warlord> AFAIK there is no way to tell ssh otherwise... even from ~/.ssh/config
16:46:09 <warlord> (although git can specify the user)
16:46:27 <gjanssens> yes you can from ~/.ssh/config
16:46:38 <gjanssens> I have different ssh keys for different machines
16:46:48 <gjanssens> I define in ~/.ssh/config which key to use
16:47:44 <warlord> Ah. I've never done that. I figure there's little point, if someone breaks into my laptop they'd get all the keys, so having multiple doesn't help
16:48:12 <warlord> So I just use the same keypair for everything
16:49:35 <gjanssens> True, but some of my keys may be on several computers (a laptop, a desktop, a tablet)
16:49:52 <gjanssens> I don't trust them all equally regarding security
16:49:57 <warlord> fair enough.
16:50:01 <gjanssens> Anyway, now I'm really off
16:50:03 <gjanssens> Bye
16:50:06 <warlord> I think we can trust www ;)
16:50:50 <gjanssens> :)
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16:52:02 <linas> yeah my clock ran out too.
16:52:10 <linas> I'm gonna be late
16:55:01 <warlord> see ya linas
17:18:33 <fell> @tell gjanssens http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=Subversion&curid=1284&diff=10818&oldid=10693 It is not! it is the only place where a new translator/documenter can learn, how to set up a ssh key etc.
17:18:33 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
17:19:14 <jralls> Derek, I'm updating the FAQ to replace all of the svn references, and there are URLs like http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/ for the documentation. Does it work to replace 'svn' with 'code' in those urls?
17:19:31 <warlord> yes
17:19:54 <warlord> (the server will accept either name)
17:24:32 <fell> Is there an equivalent to TortoiseSVN for Git?
17:25:43 <jralls> fell: On the rare occasions that we add a committer, Derek usually walks him through getting an ssh key by email.
17:25:53 <jralls> fell: Yes, TortoiseGit.
17:26:07 <warlord> I expect the user to know how to "ssh-keygen" on their own
17:26:42 <jralls> I've just added the line to the Git page.
17:26:55 <fell> I will try to split off Committing from Subversion
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17:27:41 <jralls> Frank, I just updated the translation page.
17:38:58 <fell> jralls: most of http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Subversion#Subversion_for_Committers is still valid
17:40:44 <jralls> Only for another couple of days, and anyone who needs to read the wiki on how to use it shouldn't be using subversion at all.
17:44:08 <fell> Thats why I wish to separate current vcs from the other stuff.
17:47:39 <jralls> Are we talking about the same page? I don't see anything that isn't SVN-specific there except for a few notes about ssh on M$Win.
17:49:45 <jralls> I'll copy those bits over to the Git page.
17:55:04 <fell> OK, I will wait until you are ready.
17:56:37 <fell> But you Git:keygen is missing Putty
17:57:12 <fell> (I usually think unixoid, too)
17:58:22 <jralls> It's in a separate section in Subversion, too. I just copied that over and I'm fixing up the SVN parts for Git.
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18:08:33 <jralls> OK, done. Have a look. Better yet, try it out and make sure that TortoiseGit works the same way that TortoiseSVN does.
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18:34:09 <fred> Hi. I am trying to transfer data from my GnuCash application running on my laptop to the andriod app. Can someone tell me if this is possible and how to do it?
18:36:26 <jralls> Yes, but no-one here. Please try the user mailing list.
18:37:07 <fred> ok thanks for your help...do you have a link for the mailing list?
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18:58:26 <jralls> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
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