2014-01-15 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:24:54 <gjanssens> jralls: I can now build the Japanese pdf on fedora by specifying the --with-japanese-*-ttf configure options
03:25:08 <gjanssens> Thanks for fixing this !
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04:25:33 <LostUser> So, I've set up gnucash correctly, but I'm no expert in double entry accounting: how does one deal with money coming in that isn't income? For example, I get a transfer from a housemate every month for rent, so the money isn't mine, but for a little bit it is an asset. I add it to my bank account and transfer it from liabilities. Is this the right way?
04:26:41 <LostUser> Also, I get some money from parents on the side, but want to keep it separate from my actual income from tutoring etc. Do I create a separate Income top-level account?
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06:27:22 <lifebird64> curious... how long should it take for a bug to move out of 'unconfirmed' status? I logged a major bug (712416) for GnuCash 2.4.13 on November 16. It's been 'assigned' but there's been no follow-up/progress.
06:27:22 <gncbot> lifebird64: Sent 8 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, and 20 minutes ago: <warlord> Check the Quote Source in the report options? Perhaps they are different (e.g., one might default to Weighted Average instead of Nearest In Time)
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06:30:36 <lifebird64> gncbot: I realize you're just a bot, but your answer was useless. Forgive me for being 'biochem'ist, but... carbon-based life-forms only, please.
06:30:36 <gncbot> lifebird64: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
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06:39:38 <gjanssens> lifebird64: gncbot only relayed you a message that warlord sent you while you were off-line
06:40:12 <gjanssens> so it actually was sent by a carbon-base life-form 8 weeks ago, still waiting for you to show a sign of life
06:40:23 <gjanssens> gncbot is a patient messenger ;)
06:40:23 <gncbot> gjanssens: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
06:40:44 <gjanssens> and sometimes listens too well :)
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07:03:29 <lifebird64> gjanssens: wow! gncbot is pretty damned smart, then!
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07:14:16 <lifebird64> gjanssens: I'll log back into the bug tracker and look for warlord's feeback.
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07:25:19 <lifebird64> gjanssens: errr.. that is... I'll update the bug once I've tried his suggestion. thanks for your help.
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08:25:07 <warlord> gjanssens: I was able to build it on fedora without specifying that at all!
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09:15:40 <Troggie> good day, i have just purchased a android tablet and i see you have a GNUCash app. Does this app produce delivery ntoes and if not, do you recommend an app that i can produce delivery notes for my clients to sign
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09:25:36 <gjanssens> warlord: clearly that is possible as well, but in that case the fonts in the repository are used
09:26:04 <gjanssens> I wanted to test the fop command and with fonts available systemwide on fedora
09:33:21 <gjanssens> Troggie: the gnucash app does not produce delivery notes, sorry
09:33:50 <gjanssens> It's intended to be a very simple companion app to the desktop gnucash application
09:34:32 <gjanssens> It can only be used for simple money transactions while on the road
09:35:01 <gjanssens> Its main outstanding feature is that it can generate OFX files that can be imported fairly easily in gnucash
09:41:48 <warlord> Troggie: sorry, not sure what a "delivery note" is. But I'm pretty sure gnucash does not generate one.
09:42:14 <warlord> gjanssens: cool. Which fonts did you use?
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09:53:10 <gjanssens> warlord: vlgothic and hanazono
09:53:19 <gjanssens> both are available on debian as well
09:53:20 <warlord> Ah, those. ;)
09:53:31 <warlord> Yeah. I saw those via yum..
09:53:57 <gjanssens> I'm happy with how it is set up now.
09:54:15 <gjanssens> I know we can generate the pdf now, but I can't read Japanese
09:54:45 <gjanssens> So if what we generate by default uses ugly glyphs another user is free to replace the fonts
09:54:51 <gjanssens> and that on both fedora and debian
09:55:19 <warlord> Right.
09:55:50 <warlord> I can go ask some of my Japanese friends to take a look at it..
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12:30:24 <jmd> How do I create a new account?
12:32:31 <warlord> jmd: Click on the "New Account" button
12:35:37 <jmd> Where is that?
12:36:32 <warlord> in the toolbar when you're on the CoA page. Or you can use the menu option
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12:36:50 <jmd> Oh I see it. Thanks.
12:37:13 <jmd> There really needs to be a command line interface for Gnucash.
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12:53:47 <warlord> jmd: why?
12:55:13 <jmd> 1. To avoid conversations like the above. 2. To make Gnucash more accessible. 3. To make it easier to use. 4. To make it faster to use. 5. To make it usable over terminals without a graphics system ....
12:55:34 <jmd> Oh. and I almost forgot:
12:56:03 <jmd> So that a binary can be built without depending on zillion libraries.
12:57:37 <warlord> jmd: patches always welcome, but:
12:58:02 <warlord> 1) it wouldn't avoid the above conversation... it would just change it to "what is the magic CL invocation to create an account?"
12:58:10 <warlord> 2) accessible to whom?
12:58:46 <jmd> Accessible to the users.
12:58:46 <warlord> 3) See my answer to #1. Moreover, there is NO WAY my mom could EVER use a command-line app, so frankly I would argue that doing so would NOT make it easier to use for the masses.
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12:59:17 <warlord> 4) I don't think it would be faster at all. It would STILL need to load in your data file to work on it.
12:59:53 <warlord> 5) Okay, you win this one; it would cut out some of the libraries used by the GUI..
13:00:28 <warlord> jmd: I dont understand.. What users cannot get GnuCash? If you feel you need to run it on a terminal then you're doing something wrong. (There is always X over SSH, which is how I run one of my gnucash instances)
13:01:49 <jmd> There is not always X over ssh, and when there is, it is oftern unaccetably slow.
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13:02:09 <jmd> I have never met your mother but I suspect you are doing her a misjustice.
13:02:46 <jmd> I didn't mean execution would be faster, I meant that it would be faster to use.
13:03:03 <warlord> If there is not X over SSH then you probably shouldn't be using gnucash in that environment ;)
13:03:26 <jmd> s/shouldn't/can't/
13:03:35 <warlord> I think that for 99% of our users it wouldn't be faster to use, it would just be more confusing.
13:03:46 <warlord> e.g. all of users on Mac and Windows
13:05:20 <jmd> I must be pragmatic - I used to teach elderly people computing. Most were totally unable to use a mouse.
13:06:04 <jmd> But typing was fine. Especially the women - as young ladies they had all been taught to touch type.
13:06:54 <jmd> (although it was hard to explain to some of them that l and 1 should not be used interchangeably.
13:08:12 <warlord> Then perhaps that is our 20% of "wrong users for GnuCash"
13:10:50 <jmd> I am so often amazed that people at work see no contradiction when a sales person comes and says "This system is so easy, that anyone can do it." and then offer us a very expensive 4 week training course to go with the software they are trying to sell.
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13:19:54 <warlord> LOL
13:20:06 <warlord> "Even a monkey can do it.... a very highly trained monkey"
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