2014-01-09 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:21:48 <mikee> @op
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11:04:02 <beekeeper> Hi. I'd like some advice on what accounts to create. I'm a beekeeper. Details: http://pastebin.com/ea5jHaP8 If this is the wrong place for this question I'd appreciate suggestions of where to ask.
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11:12:50 <mikee> beekeeper: If there's no one here who can help it's worth joining the mailing list at: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
11:13:17 <mikee> There's more people likely to be reading the mailing list.
11:13:41 <beekeeper> Thankyou mikee
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16:54:15 <cromo> Hi. Just switched to 2.6.0. Noticed that if I enter a transaction description in split leader view and then accidentally move to another transaction, the one I was just entering disappears. However, it is still there as can be seen on Account Rapport. I can't find the way though to have it visible again and delete/continue editing. Is this a known bug alread
16:54:40 <cromo> *split ladder that is
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16:58:54 <john> Split ladder doesn't mean anything more than split leader. Perhaps you mean "ledger", where every transaction shows all of its splits.
16:59:41 <john> If you're on M$Win, we have a bug report of a similar problem when editing scheduled transactions.
18:23:13 <cromo> I am on OSX
18:23:59 <cromo> that was ledger indeed, I was writing from memory and am not native english speaker, so excuse my mistake
18:24:52 <cromo> I managed by modifying the sqlite cache file myself, but the issue is still here
18:29:03 <john> That's OK. So this is a new problem. The reason the transaction disappears is that you haven't yet created a split to attach it to any account, and without that anchor there's nothing to get the txn to show up in any register.
18:31:32 <john> Hmm, except that the account report shows it having a split in the account in which it was created, but with no value, not even zero. Interesting.
18:32:27 <cromo> sure, however in 2.4 it would still show on the list, only with everything else empty except for the description
18:32:47 <john> Yup, just checked that in 2.4.13.
18:33:18 <cromo> I am quite sure it even disappeared for me as soon as I pressed Tab wanting to move to another field from Description
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18:33:24 <cromo> twice in a row
18:33:35 <cromo> but at that point no extra transaction was created
18:34:14 <cromo> the worst part is that these are not even searchable
18:34:17 <john> Not restricted to ledger view, either. Just did it in basic.
18:36:06 <john> I can't get it to happen with tabbing. Enter does it, though, and doesn't even bring up the "are you sure" dialog box.
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18:37:02 <cromo> Also, not related but also irritating: sometimes when I edit a split transaction an Imbalance split is added automatically. This is normal, but I would expect it to disappear after the split balance is restored. I always have to delete it manually and often end up with some empty split transactions that clutter my Imbanace account view.
18:37:04 <john> Would you please file a bug?
18:37:23 <cromo> I will, but probably during the weekend - too busy during the weekdays
18:37:37 <john> WRT the imbalance, are you using trading accounts?
18:38:00 <cromo> I am, but this is for any other account.
18:38:41 <john> Meaning a transaction where both splits are in the same currency?
18:40:42 <cromo> yeah. let me give an example: my native currency is PLN. In a split view (not necessarily a split transaction per se), in an already entered transaction, go to a value field, modify it so it does not balance out the other split transaction. A new Imbalance-PLN split transaction is created, equaling to the misbalancing value.
18:41:20 <john> OK, it's supposed to do that.
18:41:42 <cromo> however this is strange because I sometimes get this behavior, other time the misbalanced value is just shown in the last, empty row.
18:42:23 <cromo> and the thing is - for that latter situation, if I balance out the transactions, it disappears automatically (the row is still there, it's the value that disappears). it's quite intuitive in how it works in this case.
18:42:43 <john> Right. In the first case you pressed <enter>, committing the txn; in the second you pressed <tab> and it took you to the next split.
18:43:08 <cromo> however in the first case of Imbalance-PLN new split transaction, even after I balance out the split, the Imbalance-PLN is still there but with empty value fields. It won't disappear on it's own and has to be removed from the split manually.
18:44:01 <cromo> Yes, but not always. I just checked and for existing (already saved) transactions it creates Imbalance-PLN even after the <tab>
18:45:10 <cromo> anyways, it's OK but I would still see an option to have that empty Imbalance-PLN split to be removed. It's really pain in the a.., I need to delete it probably 1 in 5 edits
18:45:12 <john> I just tried that and it created the extra row.
18:46:20 <cromo> actually, I take it back. indeed I must have pressed Enter by intuition
18:47:01 <cromo> anyway, I still fail to see why can't it be removed automatically? Is there any use case for an empty Imbalance split?
18:48:11 <john> The non-disapearing imbalance split is an old bug, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343711
18:48:39 <cromo> wow. 8 years.
18:49:18 <cromo> I wouldn't call it minor. To me it's the most irritating thing I ever found in gnucash, but that's just mu 2 c
18:49:34 <john> Yeah, no one has motivated himself to chase it down. The register code is really ugly and everyone hates working on it.
18:50:13 <cromo> I guess it will get deprecated once the new register code steps in?
18:50:18 <cromo> one that was planned for 2.6
18:50:32 <john> Cstim, one of the longest-serving core developers, agreed in comment 3. But he still hasn't found time to address it.
18:52:01 <john> Not the register2 code. That, if anything, makes it worse. The developer understands the GUI code but none of the control logic that goes along with it, so he just copies it around. Doubles the amount of work because you have to find both places.
18:53:28 <cromo> a classic example of how rewriting everything is usually not a really good thing at all
18:54:14 <cromo> sorry, I have to go now. thanks for the explanations given. I will file the bug for during the weekend. Bye!
18:54:25 <john> In this case it's really necessary, but it's going to take a long time. Ohloh says we have more than a million lines of code...
18:54:37 <john> Thanks, and good night.
18:54:46 <cromo> Good night to you, too.
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20:20:24 <noughth> warlord: I've updated the jqplot string escaping patch if you care to have a look: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721768
20:21:04 <noughth> I'm sure it's not finished yet, but hopefully it's a step in the right direction
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20:38:48 <warlord> noughth: did you have to escape other chars (like < and >?)
20:46:49 <noughth> warlord: yep, you were right :P
20:47:06 <noughth> I figured jqplot would take care of that, but it doesn't
20:47:51 <warlord> Not surprising...
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