2013-12-27 GnuCash IRC logs
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06:01:17 <fuzzybunny69y> hey guys
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06:03:05 <fuzzybunny69y> I have my australian accounts setup in gnucash but I have the majority of my money in a NZ account and transfer money every once in a blue moon from my NZ account into my australian account and I am just wondering how I would show this in GNUCash so that it doesn't mess up my reports
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06:03:55 <fuzzybunny69y> I don't really want to track my NZ account in my australian account but I am not sure how else I would show it as a transfer
06:04:19 <fuzzybunny69y> and would I just create a NZ account and put the amount that I transferred into it
06:04:29 <fuzzybunny69y> and then transfer it to my chequings account
06:04:49 <fuzzybunny69y> or do I have to say that each transfer is coming out of the equity account
06:04:56 <fuzzybunny69y> I am just confused about how to do it right
06:05:11 <fuzzybunny69y> some of you guys had mentioned stuff about it before but my computer crashed so I lost the caht
06:05:13 <fuzzybunny69y> chat
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06:45:47 <jmd> fuzzybunny69y: Just keep your AUD and NZD separate. When you generate a report, you can choose which currency the report will be.
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07:52:11 <fell> fuzzybunny69y: the chat is logged, see e.g. http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2013/12/2013-12-27.html#T06:05:11
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08:00:19 <warlord> fuzzybunny69y: if they are truly separate you could use Equity to transfer.. but you might want to talk to an accountant to ask about tax reporting questions.
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11:24:53 <chrischmo> Hello! I have installed gnucash on my 64bit windows 7 system and tried to setup HBCI access to my bank accounts today. Unfortunately, it crashes every time during the setup wizard. I have uploaded the aqbanking log to http://pastebin.com/jQzx2WvH and the screenshot of the status window during the crash to http://imgur.com/CX8xluP. Please help
11:31:43 <jmd> chrischmo: In general, Gnu software is much more stable on GNU/Linux instead of Windows. My recommendaton is to switch operating systems and enjoy!
11:33:35 <chrischmo> I tried deleting the lock files and finishing the setup process by editing the previously created user account, but it crashes every time I click on "Ini letter" (the buttons for requesting a system signature or account list yield no reaction).
11:36:19 <chrischmo> jmd: I already saw some implicit comments in that regard during my searches for possible solutions to my problem. While I understand that Windows is not liked by the GNU crowd, an OS change currently is not an option for me.
11:36:35 <jmd> Of course it is an option.
11:37:08 <jmd> (we don't dislike windows more than any other non-free OS)
11:52:46 <chrischmo> Unfortunately not for me: I am currently playing Rome: Total War 2, am subscribed to two video on demand services that rely on Silverlight, have my PC connected to my TV to watch Blu Rays. I don't know about the current status of Spotify on Linux, but last time I checked it has still not gotten out of beta yet.
11:55:11 <jmd> None of those programs are familiar to me. But I would be very surprised if the job they do couldn't be done by free replacements.
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12:02:42 <chrischmo> Now that's a pretty bold move without even knowing the stuff I've been talking about ;-)
12:03:43 <chrischmo> But seriously: I'm definitely not wiping my whole system just to get one software running.
12:04:07 <jmd> It's your choice.
12:14:23 <warlord> there's always vmware (or some other VM solution)
12:14:37 <warlord> chrischmo: but back to your real issue: what version of GnuCash?
12:15:42 <warlord> jmd: we *do* try to support Windows, even if it is a second-class citizen here.
12:16:49 <jmd> warlord: Yes. I never said it wasn't supported.
12:17:14 <chrischmo> I'm currently using 2.4.13
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12:19:03 <warlord> chrischmo: You're just starting out, right? Any chance you're willing to try the 2.6 pre-releases?
12:19:08 <warlord> Oops..
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12:20:38 <warlord> chrischmo: You're just starting out, right? Any chance you're willing to try the 2.6 pre-releases?
12:24:15 <chrischmo> warlord: That's correct. I guess I could give it a try - a pre-release should already be usable for home use (on windows, too ;-), right?
12:24:39 <warlord> Yes; just make sure you use XML and not SQL.
12:25:08 <chrischmo> ah ok, thanks for the heads-up
12:25:19 <warlord> (but that's true for all versions, IMHO)
12:26:19 <chrischmo> I'll deinstall 2.4.13 and try again with the 2.6 RC, thanks so far
12:26:44 <warlord> It MAY fix your issue.. Or it may not. I don't know.
12:27:37 <fell> chrischmo: You should *never* upload aqbanking.logs without anonymizing them!
12:30:48 <jmd> warlord: Does 2.6 support SEPA transfers out of the box?
12:30:52 <chrischmo> warlord: Did you really mean 2.6? All I can on the homepage is 2.5.10 - or do I have to pull it from Version control?
12:32:54 <warlord> 2.5.x is the 2.6 pre-release.
12:33:03 <warlord> You can go with 2.5.10 or a 2.5 daily build
12:33:51 <chrischmo> fell: I did not know that :-(
12:35:01 <chrischmo> I only scanned over the content and could not see any compromitting data - are the keys included in clear text or something?
12:35:33 <chrischmo> warlord: ok, I'll try
12:35:40 <fell> Does Volksbank Essen still support HBCI or switched them to multi TAN like most banks?
12:37:48 <chrischmo> I don't know, I just followed the instructions from this page: http://www.willuhn.de/wiki/doku.php?id=support:list:banken:vrb
12:41:12 <chrischmo> At least in the ini letter they are still explicitly speaking about HBCI
12:43:05 <fell> If they switched to SEPA you will need GnuCash 2.5 - for Windows there are the nightlys.
12:45:32 <fell> But I am no FinTS expert. You should ask on the gnucash-de or the aqbanking-user mailing list.
12:45:49 <fell> There are the experts.
12:46:46 <chrischmo> fell: Thanks for the tipps! Your remark regarding the logs made me quite nervous - Should I remove the pastebin? Should I apply for a new user signature at my bank? What infos do I have to anonymize in order to be safe in the future?
12:47:33 <fell> At least your account number/IBAN
12:48:19 <fell> If possible remove it and watch the transactions on your account.
12:48:23 <chrischmo> OK, will do!
12:50:20 <fell> Somewhere , probably at aquamaniac.de, was an obfuscate script.
13:06:21 <fell> chrischmo: can you follow http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Referenz#Wie_man_einen_Fehler_meldet_oder_einen_Verbesserungsvorschlag_einreicht and file your crash to bugzilla?
13:12:09 <fell> Eventually you can find useful links at http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/HBCI.
13:13:54 <chrischmo> fell/warlord: Thank you so far, I'll file a bug report. Unfortunately, the crash also occurs in 2.5.10, at the exact same stage ("Aufträge werden kodiert" / 66%).
13:15:00 <chrischmo> I'm downloading Ubuntu right now to check if I can get it running in VirtualBox
13:15:08 <warlord> chrischmo: I'm not sure if it's a bug in gnucash or a bug in AqB
13:15:10 <fell> Then set severity to blocker
13:18:39 <fell> We need a working 2.6 before 2014-02 as german banks then finish the change to SEPA and will no longer accept traditional orders.
13:19:50 <chrischmo> I've located the trace files, but do not know enough about programming to determine if it's an error of gnucash or aqbanking. So if it's ok with you I'll file the bug under gnucash first.
13:20:19 <chrischmo> Do you guys know if I should obfuscate the trace files too or should they be OK for posting to pastebin?
13:23:10 <fell> Huh, I dont remember. Search it for your account number and other private data.
13:29:05 <fell> warlord: AFAIK the SEPA able version is longer in use in other FOSS software.
13:29:55 <fell> Cstim implemented it only in 2.5. So our userbase is small.
13:30:00 <warlord> fell: so you're saying gnucash has a slow release cycle? ;)
13:30:48 <fell> Somebody should sync aquamaniac and cstim again. ;-)
13:31:46 <warlord> you live closer ;)
13:37:08 <fell> Sylvester in Hamburg? Nice idea.
13:37:17 <warlord> :-D
13:38:39 <fell> But only if I remembered GIT until then.
14:09:26 <warlord> :)
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14:51:46 <chrischmo> I filed the bug report, hope it is ok: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721141
14:56:37 <jmd> fell: It is not only German banks. I thought all European banks.
15:00:50 <fell> jmd: But AFAIK they do not offer to transmit orders like with FinTS/HBCI from inside your accounting program, but only over their web interface.
15:03:15 <jmd> I never managed to get HBCI working anyway.
15:04:00 <chrischmo> Gotta go. Thanks so far, y'all have a nice weekend!
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15:16:16 <fell> @tell gjanssens https://bug721141.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=264945 shows a bunch of "WARN <gwenhywfar> dialog.c: 101: Could not write dialog preferences"
15:16:16 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
16:14:35 <fell> warlord: I assume 2.4 docs failed, because I forgot, git commit is only local in contrast to svn.
16:21:18 <jmd> Does 2.6 have any new dependencies ?
16:31:24 <warlord> fell: possibly, if you didn't "git push"
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16:31:33 <warlord> jmd: it has newer dependencies
16:34:12 <fell> In between I had messed up my local branch in some mystery way.
16:35:21 <fell> Eclipse failed to git reset --hard. She complained, she couldn't delete some files.
16:42:16 <fell> Warlord: Do you think the backward compatibility symlinks are required? I saw only 2 in wiki/de/FAQ.
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22:16:02 <warlord> fell: I dont know if they are required, but it doesn't hurt to keep them, IMHO
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23:41:13 <fell> Warlord in between I saw they are also referenced by viewdoc.phtml/lang.php.
23:42:19 <fell> btw can you inform me, if the docs build fails again?