2013-11-26 GnuCash IRC logs

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08:30:47 <tlvince> I posted to the mailing list an issue regarding foriegn currency invoicing: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2013-October/050807.html
08:31:19 <tlvince> ... but haven't resolved. Could someone help?
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09:50:25 <mikee> @op
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09:57:12 <mikee> gjanssens_: No crash.
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10:38:52 <therm> Hi, just compiled your new version gnucash-2.5.8 and want to say that this is really good stuff. But now I face a problem with the €-sign and umlauts. In the overall-overview the €-sign is displayed correctly but if I want to generate the taxinvoice umlauts and the €-Sign is replaced by "?"
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10:48:16 <fell> therm: can you check a few other reports?
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11:10:02 <JoTraGo> Register - Right click on a transaction split and select "Remove Transaction Splits" Does that remove ALL the splits for the transaction or just the one Selected?
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11:18:04 <gjanssens> mike-afk: thanks for testing
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11:45:37 <gjanssens> therm: your x-sign text doesn't come through on my irc client. I assume you mean the currency token like Euro or Dollar ?
11:46:06 <gjanssens> And I presume you are building gnucash with guile 2 ?
11:46:56 <gjanssens> Then you have hit a known bug (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712299)
11:47:10 <gjanssens> It got fixed shortly after gnucash 2.5.8 was released
11:47:32 <gjanssens> with some additional corrections committed only today
11:48:18 <gjanssens> so to get the fix, you'll have to start with current trunk or wait for 2.5.9(0) which will be release this weekend
11:48:28 <gjanssens> released
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14:26:21 <jmd> Is there by any chance an configure flag to remove the dependency on ruby?
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14:47:24 <gjanssens> jmd: ?? GnuCash doesn't have a dependency on ruby
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14:48:18 <jmd> Indirectly I think...
14:48:41 <Unhammer> I don't have ruby installed.
14:48:45 <Unhammer> I have gnucash installed.
14:48:48 <Unhammer> so no :)
14:49:13 <jmd> But it is necessary to build it. Not to run it.
14:52:12 <jmd> Yes. It comes through webkit.
14:52:19 <jmd> Webkit requires ruby.
15:03:30 <john> jmd: Webkit requires ruby to build from source, or the webkit package on your distro requires ruby?
15:04:10 <jmd> to build from source.
15:06:41 <john> Hmm. Haven't looked at webkit svn trunk in a while, checking out now.
15:07:51 <gjanssens> jmd: gnucash has a shell script to cross-compile webkit for our windows build
15:08:13 <gjanssens> In that shell script we use "configure --disable-ruby" for webkit
15:08:22 <gjanssens> Perhaps that still works ?
15:08:32 <jmd> I'll try it.
15:08:51 <gjanssens> Note that the last attempt to rebuild webkit for our windows package is a couple of years old by now
15:09:12 <gjanssens> We're still using that same version built then
15:10:26 <jmd> configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-ruby
15:10:38 <jmd> checking for ruby... no
15:10:38 <jmd> configure: error: You need 'ruby' to compile WebKit
15:11:11 <jmd> and that's on version 1.10.0 - the very first on their website.
15:11:20 <jmd> where did you get yours?
15:11:54 <gjanssens> can you run configure --help ?
15:12:54 <jmd> yes
15:13:17 <gjanssens> GnuCash for Windows uses http://www.webkitgtk.org/webkit-1.2.7.tar.gz
15:13:58 <gjanssens> is there anything in the output of configure --help that would let you disable ruby ?
15:14:11 <jmd> Not that I can see.
15:14:30 <gjanssens> Bummer :(
15:16:16 <jmd> Oh there's webkit and webkitgtk
15:16:51 <john> Yes, and you need webkitgtk, regardless of target platform.
15:17:11 <jmd> from version 1.10.x it's called webkitgtk and earlier just webkit
15:17:36 <jmd> there is no webkitgtk-1.2.7
15:18:04 <john> Are you looking at webkit.org or webkitgtk.org?
15:18:13 <jmd> webkitgtk.org
15:19:01 <john> Well, I just opened http://www.webkitgtk.org/releases/ and I see it starting with 1.1.1.
15:19:13 <jmd> Yes
15:19:26 <jmd> webkit-1.1.1.tar.gz
15:19:28 <jmd> but
15:19:51 <jmd> webkitgtk-1.10.tar.xz
15:19:53 <john> For MacOSX I'm using 1.6.1, which doesn't require ruby and doesn't have a disable-ruby switch.
15:20:46 <jmd> I'm trying with webkit-1.2.7 and I'll see what happens.
15:20:50 <john> Our use of webkit is very basic -- in fact it's horrendous overkill -- so an old version is fine.
15:21:23 <jmd> I'm sure that must be other html engines.
15:23:30 <john> For the moment, just html engine isn't enough. It needs to be an html engine that integrates with Gtk.
15:23:48 <gjanssens> Current use is very basic, but I like the potential of more advanced web features
15:25:04 <john> Let's not turn GC into a browser. Everybody's got one already.
15:25:20 <jmd> I agree.
15:26:02 <john> Now going in the other direction, turning GC into a browser/web app, might make sense.
15:28:34 <john> Assuming we could ever acquire the developer bandwidth to do it.
15:28:58 <jmd> I'd like to have a GC which could run on a VT100
15:29:50 <john> That would be hard.
15:30:02 <jmd> Although a ncurses user interface would be useful
15:30:28 <john> 24x132 isn't much room.
15:30:48 <jmd> Ach wtf is icu-config
15:31:19 <john> http://icu-project.org/apiref/icu4c/
15:31:39 <john> It's what Apple, and therefore WebKit, use for I18N.
15:32:25 <jmd> I've never met something with so many dependencies!
15:33:05 <john> There's a couple of files you need, patch at https://github.com/jralls/gtk-osx-build/blob/master/patches/webkit-1.6-missing-icu-files.patch
15:33:13 <john> Gnucash or WebKit? ;-)
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15:36:33 <gjanssens> No need for GnuCash to become a browser indeed
15:37:06 <gjanssens> I was just thinking of more nifty reports, displaying help in-program,...
15:37:52 <gjanssens> If you would want to make gnucas a web app, it's still useful to program for an html engine
15:38:17 <gjanssens> Making it a browser is perhaps a good intermediate step ;)
15:38:34 <gjanssens> Once we get there, we only have to switch the rendering engine ;)
15:38:37 <john> I
15:38:41 <gjanssens> Nah, just joking
15:39:23 <john> I'd think we could show the help and guide in a tab pretty easily. They're just another report.
15:40:37 <gjanssens> Yes, what kept me from doing that already is that the currently generated html is horribly ugly
15:40:45 <john> But even then we just need an html renderer that can write to a GtkWindow. We don't need all of the extra baggage that WebKit drags in.
15:40:48 <gjanssens> It would need a nice css file to go with it
15:41:40 <gjanssens> An html renderer with an embedded javascript engine
15:41:55 <gjanssens> We currently need one for the chart based reports
15:42:13 <gjanssens> But even then I agree that webkit is rather overkill
15:43:26 <jmd> Maybe you guys should talk to some of the other GNU projects. I know that some have the same problems. A common solution would be nice ...
15:43:34 <gjanssens> But I seem to recall that even qt wraps webkit for its html needs
15:44:17 <gjanssens> I'm not sure if any major framework is still doing their own html engine
15:46:12 <jmd> Why does a bookkeeping application need an html engine?
15:46:22 <john> M$ and Apple each do their own engine. Everyone else except Mozilla uses Apple's, i.e. WebKit.
15:46:40 <john> Even Opera threw in the towel a few months ago.
15:47:32 <gjanssens> Our reports are in html
15:47:45 <john> Apple got WebKit from KDE, which called it KHTML.
15:48:46 <john> Not exactly. Our report writer outputs HTML as an easy way to get nice formatting, and as Geert mentioned a moment ago, we use javascript to draw graphs.
15:48:51 <jmd> ... now I need a thing called gail ...
15:50:15 <john> Yup. Have you already got libsoup and its reps?
15:50:36 <Unhammer> <john> M$ and Apple each do their own engine. Everyone else except Mozilla
15:50:37 <Unhammer> uses Apple's, i.e. WebKit.
15:50:37 <Unhammer> except opera and chromium which use their own fork of webkit
15:50:38 <john> Darned autocorrect, that should be deps.
15:50:46 <Unhammer> I mean, use chromium's fork
15:52:43 <john> It's still WebKit, and mostly Apple's work. Google just tweaked the process model a bit to give every page a separate process instead of just a thread.
15:53:13 <john> I've got to go to a doctor's appointment. See y'all later.
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