2013-11-18 GnuCash IRC logs

00:00:48 <snarf> ah
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00:20:34 <snarf> in the reconcile dialog, what's the difference between the "New" and "Balance" buttons?
00:20:56 <snarf> the tooltip over the "New" button says "Add a new transaction to the account"
00:21:20 <snarf> and the tooltip over the "Balance" button says "Add a new balancing entry to the account"
00:21:26 <snarf> what's the difference?
00:21:37 <snarf> what's a "balancing entry" vs a regular transaction?
00:40:39 <kpreid> a balancing entry is one which zeroes the difference
00:41:54 <kpreid> e.g. you counted the change in your pocket and the total doesn't match and you have no idea what happened -- you create a balancing entry so that the records match the actual state of your pocket
00:42:27 <kpreid> you wouldn't do that on, for example, a credit card account, because the CC statement _always_ has _some_ information you can put in; balancing is a shortcut for no information
01:11:46 <snarf> what do i do if i have reciepts for CC transactions which don't show up on my CC statement?
01:54:03 <snarf> how do i set up an opening balance for my checking account if i chose not to put anything in to the Opening Balances account on setup?
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02:26:53 <snarf> how can i go to the next field in a transaction without doing any auto-filling?
02:27:06 <snarf> (like hitting the TAB key, but without auto-filling)
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03:45:53 <snarf> what account should tax refunds go in to?
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04:16:44 <gjanssens_> snarf: I propose you read the tutorial guide first and then come back if you still have questions
04:16:55 <gjanssens_> A lot of what you ask is covered in that document
04:24:56 <snarf> ok, thanks
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08:13:22 <yargy> I love thundercats
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15:30:23 <gjanssens> Hey, is there an easy way to make glib/gtk critical warnings abort gnucash ?
15:30:55 <gjanssens> That way I could get backtraces in the debugger when a critical warning happens
15:31:07 <gjanssens> Some environment variable I can set ?
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15:36:35 <john> G_LOG_LEVEL_CRITICAL is supposed to set G_LOG_FLAG_FATAL automatically, which should assert after displaying the message. If that's not working for you, the easiest thing to do in the debugger is set a breakpoint on g_log, then the first time you hit it, set a condition on log_level < G_LOG_LEVEL_WARNING.
15:39:20 <gjanssens> Thanks, I'll try that
15:43:21 <john> If G_LOG_LEVEL_CRITICAL isn't setting G_LOG_FLAG_FATAL, make sure that $G_DEBUG is set and that the program hasn't called g_log_set_always_fatal() and changed the defaults.
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15:53:48 <gjanssens> Ah, G_DEBUG was new for me.
15:54:20 <gjanssens> john: I'm running my periodical gnucash build on os x again
15:54:32 <gjanssens> The build fails on aqbanking
15:54:38 <gjanssens> Have you run into that as well ?
15:55:14 <john> Nope, worked fine yesterday when I did a full rebuild.
15:55:19 <john> What's the error?
15:55:50 <john> And remind me what version of Xcode you have.
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15:57:08 <gjanssens> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/Users/janssege/gtk/source/aqbanking-5.0.25/src/plugins/backends/aqhbci/plugin/libaqhbci.la' or unhandled argument `/Users/janssege/gtk/source/aqbanking-5.0.25/src/plugins/backends/aqhbci/plugin/libaqhbci.la'
15:58:01 <gjanssens> xcodebuild -version
15:58:02 <gjanssens> Xcode 3.2.6
15:58:31 <gjanssens> I can pastebin some more context lines for the error if needed
15:59:30 <john> Is the libtool library there?
16:00:44 <john> Oh, and see https://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.28/glib-running.html for more info on setting G_DEBUG.
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16:04:17 <gjanssens> With "libtool library" you mean the .la file ?
16:04:33 <john> That's right.
16:04:35 <gjanssens> That file is there
16:04:51 <warlord> 3.2.6? That's pretty old.
16:05:32 <gjanssens> warlord: my system is snow leopard
16:05:40 <warlord> ah
16:06:14 <john> Geert, then I'll need you to pastebin the libtool command that caused the error.
16:06:51 <john> Derek: 3.2.6 is the last version of Xcode that runs on -- or builds for -- OSX 10.5.
16:08:06 <john> If you're linking dylibs instead of frameworks. Frameworks have weak-linking magic that allows running an OS earlier than the SDK, but dylibs don't.
16:09:22 <gjanssens> john: http://pastebin.com/aE8qMdgm
16:18:41 <john> Odd. It looks like it's doing that link twice, and failing only the second time.
16:22:05 <gjanssens> The first time it includes -no-undefined and -version as link options, the second time it doesn't
16:22:24 * gjanssens scratches his head...
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16:31:54 * john fired up the old 10.6 laptop to see what the bigger picture looks like there.
16:33:58 <gjanssens> Ok, I have to go for tonight. I'll hear about it tomorrow
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16:37:12 <john> Maybe. I'm at Habitat tomorrow, but I'll leave something here. BTW, I got the same failure on the laptop, so I can investigate better.
16:37:17 <john> Good night.
16:37:28 <gjanssens_> Thanks
17:00:33 <john> gjanssens_afk: It looks like it's a parallel build race condition. The *other* file that it wants, libaqbanking.la, isn't yet built -- until after the error. So just tell it to try again and away it will go.
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