2013-09-06 GnuCash IRC logs

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06:47:05 <oliv3r> Hi, a quick question. I'm splitting my pay-checks as suggested by the splitting howto and have an expense account called taxes. Every year i get tax returns, which I put under an income account called taxreturn. However I realized that it's basically a return of the payed taxes, so i've moved it under the tax expense. so before: income/taxreturn and expense/taxes/income_taxes; and now i've got expenses/taxes/income_taxes/taxreturns
06:47:20 <oliv3r> is that the best way of doing this? it looks sensible
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07:31:18 <warlord> oliv3r: IANAA but that certainly works..
07:32:15 <oliv3r> well it makes sense, since tax return is basically money you get back that you thought you had spent :)
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10:24:47 <mentalstring> hi all
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10:27:36 <mentalstring> i'm running 2.4.12 with a fairly large amount of data and reports always took a long time but, ever since the last update (or might be 2 versions away, can't precise now) that reports take *at least* twice to generate - i'm talking about 30s on a fast 'puter, so it's measurable. is this known? i went through the changelog but couldn't spot anything that could affect this, but then again, i'm not familiar with its internals. anyone?
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10:33:47 <warlord> mentalstring: it might depend on the report.. Some reports are certainly worse than others.
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10:35:01 <warlord> What version did you start with/end with?
10:35:07 <warlord> And which report(s) are you using?
10:35:12 <mentalstring> warlord: i get that - not complaining it takes long (it always did, i can live with it), but the fact that from one (minor) version to the next the time to generate the *same* reports double in time; from what i can tell, it happened with all reports i usually use
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10:36:34 <mentalstring> warlord: the reports i use the most are income&expense chart, and the net worth linechart. as far as i can tell, they all got slow since 2.4.12 (most likely) or maybe 2.4.11
10:37:03 <mentalstring> warlord: i started with whatever version was stable back in 2006
10:37:54 <warlord> Ummmmm.... 2006 is a LONG time ago. If you jumped from a 2006-release to 2.4.12, lots of stuff was rewritten so hard to pinpoint anything.
10:38:54 <mentalstring> warlord: sorry, i wasn't clear… i didn't make such jump, i have been regularly upgrading since then. before 2.4.12 i was using 2.4.11 or 2.4.10. on the 2.4 series i've been regular upgrades, no big jumps
10:39:18 <warlord> okay.. so the slowdown was from 2.4.10 to 2.4.12?
10:40:04 <mentalstring> or maybe from 2.4.11, i'm not sure about the exact previous version, but was one of those two (2.4.10 or 2.4.11)
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10:40:34 <warlord> So for kicks -- if you back out to 2.4.11, does it speed up again?
10:40:39 <mentalstring> this is on a mac with 10.8.4
10:41:26 <warlord> Which means it should be easy to back out to an older version....
10:41:55 <mentalstring> haven't tried it yet to be honest - i'm not sure if it's safe for the data?
10:42:44 <warlord> Sure it is.. But for this test you only need to read the data, not write anything.
10:44:08 <mentalstring> still, i'll want to make some backups of data and settings files as well - will do later on and report it if it is faster again
10:45:00 <warlord> If you wish. If you make no changes it shouldn't do anything.
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10:53:08 <mentalstring> will report it later then. cheers!
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10:57:25 <warlord> thanks
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14:17:10 <bipolar> I'm just starting out with Gnucash. When I create a scheduled transaction, and set the 'create in advance' to 3 days, does the register set the transaction date to that many days in advance, or does it create a transaction in the future? Example: the schedule is on the 5th of every month. I set it to 3 days in advance. Does the date on the transaction, automatically created on the 2nd, get set to the 5th or the 2nd?
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14:31:54 <warlord> The date on the transaction is the date in the SX. The 'days early' is how many days before that date the SX will run and get created. So e.g if you have an SX set to the 15th and set to run 10 days early then on the 5th it'll get created (with a date of the 15th)
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17:29:21 <bipolar> Thanks warlord !
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21:08:08 <bobby> is there any information on the gnucash wiki about how to build the docs? I have just checked them out from git.
21:22:50 <bobby> never mind, I found it. README in the git repository itself :)
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21:59:21 <gnucash_user> Hey can anyone tell me what XEA stands for in the gnucash-xea file extension?
21:59:56 <gnucash_user> Its an xml file for pre-defined account trees
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22:37:34 <warlord> gnucash_user: It stands for Xml Example Account
22:37:42 <warlord> I.e., an account template
23:31:12 <gnucash_user> Thanks @warlord