2013-08-21 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:30:53 <Infiltrator> I am using GnuCash 2.4.10. I would like to have a scheduled transaction with an exact fraction: $400 / 7. Currently, when I put that in, it gets rounded to $57.14 and is off by $.02 every week. Judging by this [http://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/HEAD/group__Numeric.html] I'm guessing that it's coming in the next version. Should I just wait for that?
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05:00:02 <johey> What is a good way of customizing the invoices? Changing colors and fonts is not enough. I really need to make radical changes.
05:01:09 <johey> Do I need to dig into the gnucash code or is there some easy-changable template system or something? What I can find in the manual is just how I change trivial things within the graphical editor.
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07:48:00 <warlord> johey: it depends on which invoice report you are using... if you're using the e-guile invoice report then you might just be able to update the template; otherwise you'll need to hack on the scheme report generator code.
07:48:29 <warlord> Note that this will require restarting gnucash, but not recompiling it.. HOWEVER if you do make changes they will be lost the next time you update.
08:32:59 <johey> warlord: Ok, thanks! Wouldn't it be a great idea to be able to store templates as plugins, like ~/.gnucash/tempates or something?
08:33:19 <warlord> johey: patches always welcome!
08:35:35 <johey> I get your point. :)
08:35:54 <johey> There's no such thing planned or even started working on?
08:38:07 <johey> Oh, while at it... I'm currently starting up my business. In Sweden, the tax authority has this fancy rule that the bookkeeping program must make changes visible or impossible.
08:38:34 <johey> That is, you must not be able to make changes that are not visible within the user interface.
08:39:13 <johey> Is there a way to at least force the program to log all changes?
08:42:13 <johey> They say explicitely no to bookkeeping using Excel-like programs by that cause. There's not yet any public gnucash case, but if there will ever be, it would likely be a good thing if you could show them a complete transaction log including changes.
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10:49:11 <warlord> johey: sorry, no, I know of nobody working on that at the moment.
10:49:57 <warlord> GnuCash does log all changes to the Transaction Log files (*.log)
10:50:18 <warlord> (although you might need to make sure they don't get auto-deleted if you need your history for any length of time)
10:50:28 <warlord> But no, there is no visual clue that anything 'changed'.
10:52:23 <warlord> I think lawmakers who make those kinds of laws a) don't understand how computers work, and b) are probably paid by special interests to make stupid laws to make people by special software (that really has no hope of actually *working*)
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12:14:20 <johey> warlord: Indeed you're right in both a) and b), but you'd better like it. Glad to hear it is really logging though. Then there should be no issues in that respect.
12:16:07 <warlord> johey: another thing to do is periodically write your datafile to a CD; then you can go back and compare as proof of lack-of-changes.
12:18:06 <johey> warlord: That's a good suggestion.
12:19:56 <warlord> :)
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17:30:49 <mr-rich> Hello. Is there a way to tell which file GnuCash has open?
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19:30:34 <warlord> mr-rich: the title bar?
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20:31:25 <Infiltrator> I am using GnuCash 2.4.10. I would like to have a scheduled transaction with an exact fraction: $400 / 7. Currently, when I put that in, it gets rounded to $57.14 and is off by $.02 every week. Judging by this [http://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/HEAD/group__Numeric.html] I'm guessing that it's coming in the next version. Should I just wait for that?
20:43:11 <warlord> Infiltrator: I'm not sure what part of that documentation you're looking at..
20:44:08 <warlord> Right now gnucash will round to the minimum amount of the currency. There is no such thing as a fraction of a penny, so gnucash wont let you account for that.
20:44:56 <warlord> While gnucash DOES store numbers as rational numbers... it rounds to 1/10^N
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21:05:11 <Infiltrator> So basically, I can never get $1 / 7 stored exactly?
21:06:27 <Infiltrator> warlord: And that documentation implies that it can handle that, adjusting for the rounding error, being titled "Rational Number Handling w/ Rounding Error Control".
21:06:47 <Infiltrator> I haven't looked at the actual code, though.
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21:12:57 <warlord> the gnc_numeric data type can handle it.. The gnucash register, however, uses a different rounding technique such that, no, you can never store $1/7
21:13:34 <Infiltrator> Fair enough.
21:15:11 <warlord> It begs the question: what kind of transaction do you have where you are spending or being paid $1/7, and how is that transaction being executed?
21:16:21 <Infiltrator> I'm probably not doing it correctly, but I was thinking of breaking down a weekly expense into a daily one.
21:16:29 <Infiltrator> Hence x / 7.
21:31:01 <warlord> Yeah, um, don't do that.. If the expense is weekly you should record it weekly.
21:31:55 <Infiltrator> Well, my (probably flawed) thinking was that it's paid weekly, but actually incurred (almost) every day.
21:34:49 <warlord> rent is paid monthly but you dont account for it every day....
21:34:55 <warlord> same with staying in an hotel...
21:35:04 <warlord> I suspect you're over thinking ..
21:35:26 <Infiltrator> Most likely. :)
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