2013-08-19 GnuCash IRC logs

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06:05:42 <aLeSD> hi all
06:06:06 <aLeSD> I am totally new to gnucash and I have some doubt
06:07:00 <aLeSD> the online banking feature works in pulling the info from my bank account. Is it possible to push changes too ?
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08:06:49 <warlord> aLeSD: only if you live in Germany and use a bank that supports HBCI. Otherwise, no, all other protocols are read-only.
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08:12:08 <aLeSD> warlord: the "other protocols" are import files ?
08:12:56 <warlord> OFX, MT940, etc.
08:13:04 <warlord> (so no, not necessarily files)
08:13:19 <warlord> OFX-DC is included.
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08:43:00 <aLeSD> warlord: tahnsk
08:43:19 <warlord> my pleasure
09:40:42 <aLeSD> warlord: ah , sorry, where I could find the list of all the supported protocols ?
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09:58:13 <warlord> aLeSD: AqBanking
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11:06:09 <warlord> mikee: ping?
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12:24:20 <mikee> warlord: pong
12:24:49 <mikee> Aha I see.
12:25:17 <mikee> mode #gnucash +o gncbot
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12:25:39 <mikee> @op warlord
12:25:39 <gncbot> mikee: Error: You don't have the #gnucash,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
12:25:55 <mikee> @op warlord
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12:26:07 <mikee> :)
12:27:38 <warlord> Thanks, mikee !
12:28:43 <warlord> Time to start saving up for a generator.
12:29:55 <jmd> Ahh. The gnucash GUI is so difficult to use, except on a large display.
12:30:30 <warlord> It requires >= 1025x768
12:30:39 <warlord> er, 1024
12:30:41 <warlord> This is by design
12:31:11 <jmd> dfd
12:31:47 <warlord> ?
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12:39:55 <warlord> jmd: what does 'dfd' mean?
12:40:17 <jmd> I meant to type dbd
12:40:30 <jmd> defective by design.
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12:41:47 <warlord> What loser has a display smaller than 1024x768? ;)
12:41:58 <jmd> I do.
12:42:04 <jmd> Two of them.
12:42:13 <warlord> (keep in mind that this is a desktop application -- it's not meant for "mobile" devices)
12:42:47 <jmd> I dunno if a netbook qualifies as a "mobile" device.
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12:43:52 <warlord> It's closer to a mobile than a real computer..
12:44:09 <warlord> (it does have "Net" in the name, as opposed to "Lap" or "Desk")
12:44:49 <jmd> I've never subscribed to the big is best philosophy.
12:45:24 <warlord> I subscribe to the "small sucks" philosophy, at least when talking about real estate (including screen real estate)
12:45:45 <warlord> I complained loudly when screens went "widescreen"... because I actually *lost* screen R-E
12:45:53 <warlord> (not that any of the manufacturers listened)
12:46:37 <warlord> The decision was made a long time ago in GnuCash that x768 was the smallest screen we would support, because any smaller requires significant redesign of all the GUI.
12:46:52 <warlord> (or fonts way too small to read)
12:47:08 <warlord> I admit this was before Netbooks really existed.
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13:00:11 <jmd> BTC seems to be missing from the list of currencies.
13:00:56 <warlord> BTC isn't a currency
13:01:13 <warlord> it's a commodity; and you can treat is as such just like you'd treat e.g. RHAT
13:01:38 <warlord> (although I recommend you account in mBTC (1/1000 BTC) due to minimum-decimal precision issues
13:01:50 <jmd> No. A commodity, by definition has a practical use.
13:06:20 <warlord> Not in GnuCash defintion. Besides, how does a share of stock have a practical use?
13:06:40 <warlord> (and now you're saying that BTC has no practical use, in which case why have any?)
13:07:01 <jmd> Well shares are not commodities. Copper, Timber and Oil are commodities.
13:08:05 <jmd> I admit, that Gold is a bit of a border line case, since although it does have a practical use, it is very limited.
13:17:11 <warlord> fair enough; but gnucash calls them all 'commodities'.
13:19:49 <jmd> How does gnucash define a currency?
13:23:03 <warlord> ISO
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13:40:04 <jmd> In so far as bookkeeping is concerned, is there any fundamental difference between a commodity and a currency?
13:51:39 <warlord> only in so far as you genenrally need to keep track of exchange rates between them and your "default" currency, generally for reporting purposes.
13:52:47 <jmd> So there is no difference between a "foreign" currency and a commodity.
13:54:55 <warlord> IMHO, no
14:08:10 <jmd> I'm just trying to understand. Why make a distinction between the two?
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14:10:50 <warlord> I think the distinction is that a currency *can* be a "home currency"
14:12:02 <warlord> so that's why there is a distinction between currency and commodity.
14:12:12 <jmd> It seems then that (for accounting purposes) a currency is simply a comodity with one special property.
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17:39:42 <fell> warlord before the internet became popular, in Germany we could use discettes with DTA files to order transactions to our bank.
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18:31:54 <warlord> @op fell
18:31:54 <gncbot> warlord: Error: You don't have the #gnucash,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:32:07 <warlord> @op fell
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18:32:52 <warlord> fell: interesting.. even an average personal user?
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18:43:07 <fell> In 1976 the standard was published by the german bank association ZKA and big companies used magnetic tapes. After the apperance of PCs at least small companies used discettes. But I am not shure if they offered it also to private users.
18:52:50 <warlord> interesting
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19:08:07 <fell_> warlord: when I connect, I don't see a topic.
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19:25:35 *** warlord changes topic to "Free GPL Personal and Small Business Accounting || Please don't ask to ask, just ask and wait! || publically-logged channel || latest stable: 2.4.13 || www.gnucash.org"
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23:58:58 <fluffywolf> Does gnucash handle payroll? The manual for 2.4 says it doesn't, and suggests you do it all manually, including a tip that it's painful. But, I keep finding mentions that it has a payroll module... I'd like just to enter how much the employee is due (or hours + piecework), and it figures taxes, etc automatically.