2013-08-12 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:18:36 <nano> helo
00:18:41 <nano> hello
00:19:03 <nano> is there any one ?
00:21:32 <nano> hello warlord
00:25:44 <nano> hello gncbot
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04:15:47 <nano> hello
04:21:22 <nano> please answer me someone
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08:06:43 <warlord> @tell nano try asking during normal business hours here in the US instead of starting after midnight and then leaving at 4:21am.
08:06:43 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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08:23:29 <nano> hello
08:23:29 <gncbot> nano: Sent 16 minutes ago: <warlord> try asking during normal business hours here in the US instead of starting after midnight and then leaving at 4:21am.
08:24:08 <nano> ok ..can i ask you something now?
08:37:16 <Mogget> nano: You can ask anytime you like. This is a guess: I think the users in here are americans mostly so you have to stay in the channel long enough for it to become daytime in the US.
08:37:41 <Mogget> nano: So I guess you ask your question, stay in the channel over night and then see what they have answered.
08:39:40 <nano> thank you mogget
08:40:09 <Mogget> nano: no problem :)
08:40:28 <nano> hey please help m totally new gnucash so i need some basic concept about source code repository using git-scm
08:40:28 <Mogget> I wish I could help you myself, but I have only been using the software a couple of days myself.,
08:41:18 <nano> so are you a developer ?
08:42:07 <Mogget> No, I came here in case I need help with basic accounting with the software.
08:42:14 <Mogget> I am a nobody in other words
08:48:22 <nano> ow actually i need the whole source code of gnucash i got it but server not responding properly connection time out maximum time
08:55:14 <warlord> nano: github is timing out on you?
08:55:30 <warlord> what GIT URL did you clone?
08:55:45 <nano> ok hold on
08:56:34 <nano> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.git
08:56:47 <warlord> If it's timing out that's between you and github; we don't control that.
08:57:02 <warlord> You should contact github if you are having technical issues with them.
08:57:22 <warlord> If you dont mind me asking -- why do you feel you need the source code? What are you tyring to do with gnucash?
08:57:49 <nano> but i downloaded the zip file now i have the source code
08:58:28 <nano> so if you don't mind the an you tell me about Development ide ?
09:00:00 <nano> so if you don't mind the can you tell me about Development ide ?
09:00:05 <warlord> nano: do you have specific questions? Otherwise I would just point you at the website and wiki for general information
09:00:33 <nano> ya sure it will best for me to start
09:09:39 <warlord> Okay, then go to http://www.gnucash.org http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/ and read up on developing gnucash..
09:10:50 <warlord> nano: but back to the main question: what exactly are you trying to do?
09:10:55 <warlord> (what are you trying to develop for gnucash?)
09:12:03 <nano> ya that's only i want to customize it for india accounting
09:12:21 <warlord> customize it ... how?
09:12:27 <warlord> translate?
09:12:35 <warlord> Adding indian account templates?
09:17:24 <nano> ya like that only
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10:09:49 <hjf> Hi. I'm using gnucash to do accounting for my store, i was wondering, how should I deal with stock? What i do now is, when i buy something, i transfer from "current account" to an account named "stock" in assets
10:10:08 <hjf> and when i sell, i transfer from sales to current account
10:10:30 <hjf> now, obviously "stock" never decreases... how can i deal with this?
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10:17:41 <warlord> hjf: gnucash doesn't really have an "inventory" solution. IANAA but when you make a sale you'll need Income, Cash, Stock, and Expense (COGS)
10:17:58 <warlord> So you need to make a multi-split transaction to account for the sale of stock.
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10:19:51 <hjf> i see. so for a sale i transfer the "cost" from stock and the difference from sale price from "sales"
10:19:53 <hjf> ?
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10:33:35 <warlord> hjf: Honestly I don't know. As I said, IANAA. I think it would be a Credit to Asset and Debit to Ex:COGS for the actual COGS, and then a Credit to Income and Debit to Cash for the actual Sale Price
10:34:27 <hjf> yeah i don't know either :P and my accountant told me to go talk to her but she's only available saturday mornings and it's a busy time for my shop then
10:35:39 <warlord> You can try emailing the gnucash-user mailing list..
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13:09:11 <nano> can any one tell me about how to get the whole architeture of gnucash
13:11:44 <warlord> nano: I dont understand the question (or why it applies to translating or adding new account hierarchies)
13:13:58 <warlord> nano: have you tried the developer links from www.gnucash.org?
13:14:48 <nano> ya i got it now m going through all the stuffs
13:16:48 <nano> can u suggest me any good developer stuffs?
13:17:21 <warlord> emacs
13:18:52 <nano> for edting?
13:19:39 <nano> i need the back end specification for DB
13:20:25 <warlord> Why?
13:20:46 <warlord> GnuCash does not support you editing the database under it.
13:21:06 <warlord> (and again, none of this is necessary for translating or adding new account hierarchies)
13:21:39 <warlord> You realize, nano, this would all be so much easier if you just told us exactly what you're trying to do instead of being circumspect. What are you trying to accomplish? What are you trying to develop?
13:22:49 <nano> ya that's only m telling .... i want to use it as a accounting software for my business
13:23:45 <nano> but i need some modification for indian accounting chart to fit with it(gnucash)
13:23:58 <warlord> What kind of modifications do you need?
13:24:42 <nano> warlord can i ask you a simple question if you don't mind?
13:24:54 <warlord> sure
13:25:51 <nano> i ma software developer and am new in this sector i have a software firm www.nanoinformatics.in
13:26:22 <nano> so i need to develop a accounting software for my clients
13:26:45 <warlord> By "develop" do you mean "use" or "deploy"?
13:27:29 <nano> so m thinking why not to develop the gnucash only by adding some features to meet my client requirements
13:27:34 <nano> deploy
13:28:20 <warlord> Okay... because "develop" usually means "make code changes to make the program behave differently". If all you want to do is RUN GnuCash and use it for your business then I recommend you read the GnuCash documentation..
13:28:38 <warlord> You should start with the GnuCash Concepts & Tutorial Guide.
13:28:52 <warlord> Download the GnuCash Application (you don't need the source code).
13:28:59 <warlord> Install and run it..
13:29:03 <warlord> What OS/Distro do you use?
13:29:44 <nano> ubuntu
13:29:52 <nano> ya want to develop only
13:30:08 <warlord> Okay, then run "apt-get install gnucash"
13:30:18 <warlord> That will install gnucash for you so you can run and use it.
13:31:08 <nano> m sorrry sorry i want to develop gnucash, i used once gnucash
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13:31:34 <warlord> So this goes back to my original question: What are you trying to do? What changes do you need to make?
13:32:46 <nano> ok just one more simple question please don't mind
13:33:26 <nano> suppose i want to make any changes to gnucash or in its coding
13:35:14 <nano> think for a while i just want to make change with its tax part only and then recompile it?
13:35:40 <warlord> Okay. So what changes do you need to make to the tax part?
13:35:47 <mark_> Hi, I am new to GnuCash and I need help with online prices for mutual funds - can anyone assist?
13:36:49 <warlord> mark_: depends on the question ;)
13:36:51 <nano> thing just i want to add one more slab to tax area like GRN tax group
13:36:53 <mark_> I have got online stock prices working but I can't get F:Q to recognize fund identifiers
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13:38:10 <warlord> mark_: so gnc-fq-dump isn't giving you real data for the source/symbol? (note that it's possible that the website changed again and you need to fix F::Q)
13:38:33 <mark_> I have a fund with ISIN GB0033228197.L which I can find in Yahoo Europe website, but in GnuCash it comes up as not found.
13:38:55 <nano> actually i need the the how to setup the development ide for gnucash after that i wil decide what to edit n till where warlord
13:40:14 <warlord> mark_: yep, that's not working as the symbol. Note that you need to use the symbol that the quote source is expecting (which may not necessarily be the ISIN)
13:40:43 <warlord> nano: there is no "IDE for GnuCash". It's source code; you can use whatever IDE you wish. Most of the developers just use Emacs.
13:41:50 <nano> please you don't mind ok i know that m asking some irritating question warlord
13:42:17 <nano> can i compile the edited code in emacs only?
13:42:24 <mark_> Yahoo Europe website shows "GB0033228197.L" as the identifier, I don't understand how to discover what format/value the quote source in GnuCash wants.
13:42:26 <warlord> emacs is an editor..
13:42:49 <warlord> mark_: it's also possible that yahoo europe broke F::Q -- wouldn't be the first time.
13:43:12 <warlord> nano: emacs is just an editor. developers use it to edit the sources. Then you use "make" from the command-line to build gnucash. PLEASE READ THE DOCUMENTATION
13:44:01 <mark_> OK so maybe if I play around with gnc-fq-dump a bit I might see what is going wrong?
13:44:05 <nano> ya can you refer me documents please
13:44:37 <warlord> nano: http://www.gnucash.org http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki READ
13:45:06 <warlord> (sorry, nano, but this is just like basic, programming 101 stuff)
13:45:23 <warlord> mark_: *maybe*
13:45:40 <nano> its ok m going through
13:45:52 <nano> than you warlord
13:47:00 <warlord> You're welcome.
13:47:20 <warlord> If you have _specific questions_ about gnucash I can try to help answer them.
13:49:46 <nano> no actually m tatallly new so let me read all the documents first ..then i surely let you know if any specific question
13:49:56 <warlord> okay..
13:50:17 <warlord> There are a lot of developer resources online.. There's also the "HACKING" file in the sources.
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14:38:00 <maurer> I'm trying out gnucash, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to deal with the fact that I have a recurring transfer between two of my accounts
14:38:28 <maurer> When it imports the transaction, if I inform gnucash where the transfer came from, it creates the corresponding entry on my other account, which is then imported and double counted
14:38:32 <maurer> any ideas?
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15:02:40 <maurer> Another similar thing is when I pay my credit card bill, the oxf will import two separate transactions
15:02:49 <maurer> one in my cc, and one in my checking that I pay it from
15:02:55 <maurer> how do I make these two transactions match up?
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15:22:45 <mark_> maurer: I think you may be missing something wrt the way GnuCash does double-entry book-keeping. Have you read and understood the basic concept info e.g. here: http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-accounting1.html
15:34:07 <maurer> mark_: I am aware of double entry bookkeeping.
15:34:32 <maurer> mark_: The issue is that when I import transactions which should be part of the same split, I end up with two splits
15:35:05 <maurer> mark_: I've since figured out that the trick is that I can't import them both, then inform it that these two splits are secretly the same, I have to import one, annotate it, then import the other
15:35:09 <maurer> and then I'll have an option to reconcile
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21:19:03 <warlord> maurer: during the import you need may to (manually) mark the import as a duplicate.. Which first means you need to properly assign both accounts during the import, too.
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21:51:08 <tomboy> If I use 2.4 with databases how can i write another program that accesses the same database while being sure that i haven't mucked up anything GNUcash is doing?
21:53:37 <tomboy> Err, that's not what I mean to ask. I want one database with two interfaces: one for the bookkeeper and one for the installer (this is a fountain company). Can I accomplish this using gnucash for the books and then my custom application for the installer side, setting up permissions to restrict what each side can see of the others'?
21:55:43 <tomboy> Like, here's an entry: CUSTOMER ID, TRANSACTION, BLAH BLAH BANK STUFF, IS_INSTALLED?, TECHNICIAN_HAS_VISITED_ONCE, BLAH BLAH BLUE SHIRT STUFF
21:59:47 <tomboy> O, disregard that too, I just have to keep reading...
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22:13:06 <warlord> tomboy: sorry, no, gnucash has no multi-user capabilities, nor partial-authorization capabilities... and editing the database from under gnucash is "not allowed"
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22:56:16 <tomboy> warlord: can i somehow map gnucash's customer ids to a global set and then use those as the keys for my custom application?
22:57:20 <tomboy> excuse me: gnucash's 'account numbers'? that's probably the jargon.
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23:15:53 <tomboy> warlord: what do you mean by 'from under gnucash'?
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23:23:13 <tomboy> i'm not allowed to access the underlying mysql database in gnucash? i'm confused.
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