2013-07-25 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:59:33 <fuzzybunny69y> hey guys for some reason when I try to reconcile in gnu cash(in on a mac using the most recent version) the screen gets all weird
08:02:42 <warlord> Define "screen gets all weird"
08:07:17 <fuzzybunny69y> sorry I'm trying to take a screenshot
08:09:54 <fuzzybunny69y> ok
08:09:55 <fuzzybunny69y> I got one
08:10:00 <fuzzybunny69y> ill upload it somewhere
08:11:13 <fuzzybunny69y> http://imgur.com/tR688Vi
08:12:05 <fuzzybunny69y> hmmm it just crashed
08:12:20 <fuzzybunny69y> well not crashed
08:12:30 <fuzzybunny69y> but the reconcile window dissapeared
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08:21:36 <warlord> Just to make sure I'm seeing the right thing, I see a tiny little window with some overlapping text?
08:21:55 <warlord> What version of gnucash? What OS/Distro?
08:22:15 <warlord> Sorry, you said Mac -- what Mac OS release?
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08:34:47 <fuzzybunny69y> 10.8.4
08:35:03 <fuzzybunny69y> yeah the text is all garbled
08:38:12 <fuzzybunny69y> and the checkmarks look strange
08:38:13 <fuzzybunny69y> http://imgur.com/dqZlakM
08:38:24 <fuzzybunny69y> and also if I click on an item in the reconcile window it highlights it in blue
08:38:56 <fuzzybunny69y> but then if I move up and down with the arrow keys the item I had highlighted stays highlighted but this bounding box moves around the window
08:39:03 <fuzzybunny69y> so I don't know why it does that
08:39:13 <fuzzybunny69y> that is displayed in that last screenshot
09:03:47 <warlord> That latter behavior is normal
09:04:16 <warlord> It has always done that -- move only the outline as you arrow up/down..
09:04:31 <warlord> If you hit the spacebar then the boxed line gets checked.
09:04:53 <warlord> This latest picture looks completely normal.
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09:54:12 <fuzzybunny69y> oh I thought the check marks looked a bit strange
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15:38:29 <haclong> hello
15:41:04 <haclong> i'm using gnucash 2.4.12 and when i try to add transactions about my stocks, gnucash kept rounding my stocks from 5 decimals to less
15:42:54 <haclong> the buy value is kept but the price and the share are modified so there's informations lost
15:45:22 <haclong> for exemple, if I add three transactions : 0,00123 + 0,00123 + 0,00123 shares, i expect to get a sold of 0,00369. Instead, gnucash rounds each transaction line to 0,0012 so at the end, i get 0,00360
15:48:52 <warlord> haclong: What do you have set in the stock's commodity setting for SCU (fraction?)
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17:05:36 <haclong> hello
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17:07:38 <warlord> haclong: sent at 15:48: <warlord> haclong: What do you have set in the stock's commodity setting for SCU (fraction?)
17:09:22 <haclong> 1/10000
17:11:25 <haclong> i have also heard that i have to change my general settings for decimal digits
17:11:41 <haclong> it does not make sense to me but... who knows
17:13:03 <warlord> In your stock account, what do you have set for the SCU?
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17:14:04 <haclong> 1/10000
17:15:30 <warlord> And your stock account commodity is set to....??
17:15:41 <haclong> sorry
17:15:47 <haclong> clearly, i don't get you
17:15:59 <haclong> what is the scu
17:16:04 <haclong> (i have a french version)
17:16:11 <warlord> In your stock account settings, what is "Security/currency" set to?
17:16:12 <haclong> i have to try to find out what is what
17:16:34 <warlord> You might also want to reset the stock account smallest fraction to "Use Commodity Value"
17:16:54 <haclong> FR0000286304 which is the code the bank gives me
17:16:59 <warlord> GnuCash doesn't round for me; so you must have something misconfigured in your account setup.
17:17:09 <haclong> but it may be not a stock but a french SICAV
17:17:20 <warlord> That's not important to gnucash..
17:17:24 <haclong> ok
17:17:41 <haclong> i have seen old issues about rounding
17:17:52 <haclong> so this is fixed and it is not a regression ?
17:18:05 <warlord> I'm using 2.4.current and it works for me.
17:18:17 <warlord> (admittedly I'm only using 3 decimal digits, not 5)
17:19:29 <haclong> when i want to select my stock/currency (click on the select button)
17:19:45 <warlord> I just tested with 5 sig digits and it works, too.
17:19:48 <haclong> type = template and stock is FR0000blabla
17:20:00 <haclong> yeah
17:20:06 <warlord> NO! Don't use template!!!!!!
17:20:14 <haclong> ooh
17:20:20 <haclong> so not template
17:20:39 <haclong> but other values does not sound correct to me
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17:21:06 <warlord> DAMMIT!!!!! That bug has caused so many headaches.
17:21:30 <warlord> the "template" shouldn't be visible or available.. It's used internally and will cause trouble if you try to use it.
17:21:36 <haclong> should i delete my account and recreate it ?
17:21:41 <warlord> Unfortunately there's no good way to change it.
17:21:52 <haclong> i can delete it
17:21:55 <warlord> Yes, you will need to create a new commodity NOT using template..
17:22:02 <haclong> i've already add 5 transactions, so it's ok
17:22:04 <warlord> If it lets you -- it might not.
17:22:14 <warlord> Anyways, use "FUND"
17:22:18 <warlord> Or whatever else you want...
17:22:26 <haclong> ok
17:22:30 <haclong> i'll try again
17:22:33 <haclong> thank you for your help
17:22:36 <warlord> You can type in whatever you want there; it's a field for your use; gnucash doesn't care (except for "template")
17:22:51 <warlord> Set that to 1/10000. Set your account to "Use Commodity"
17:23:18 <warlord> That should be all you need to do. When you enter a transaction (you're entering it from the Stock Register, right!?!) enter in 2 number fields...
17:23:48 <warlord> I recommend you enter in the #shares and the Total Value; those are the values gnucash stores. The price is always computed.
17:23:59 <haclong> gnucash allows me to delete my wrong stock account
17:24:14 <haclong> ok
17:24:47 <warlord> The account, yes... That's not the issue; the issue is the Stock.
17:25:23 <haclong> ok
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17:26:35 <haclong> i have to get back my stock value first
17:27:30 <haclong> is it normal that, though i have created my "wrong" stock, there's nothing in the stock editor (options menu)
17:28:45 <haclong> and although i have set a stock price, there's nothing in the stock price editor too
17:29:11 <warlord> That's due to you using "template"
17:33:31 <haclong> yes, i can see that
17:33:46 <haclong> i have recreate my stock using FUND and now, i have my stock in the stock editor screen
17:33:53 <warlord> Okay..
17:34:07 <warlord> Now create your stock account (or if you haven't deleted it you could just re-assign it to the new stock)
17:34:12 <haclong> thank you very much for your help. you were very helpful
17:34:31 <haclong> i have
17:34:36 <warlord> is it working now?
17:34:44 <haclong> now, i'll add my transaction
17:34:47 <haclong> i don't know yet
17:34:50 <warlord> Ah, ok
17:35:00 <haclong> if you can wait a little more
17:35:04 <haclong> but i feel better
17:35:49 <warlord> ok
17:36:25 <haclong> hum
17:36:38 <haclong> the stock is 3 decimals when the price is 5 decimals !
17:37:48 <haclong> my fraction in the stock editor is 1/10000 when my account is Use Commodity
17:37:57 <warlord> Can you show me a screen shot of the Edit Security window for your security, the Edit Account window for this account, and the Account Register?
17:38:29 <warlord> (I was able to enter 5 sig digits)
17:38:52 <haclong> how can i send you the screen shot ?
17:39:08 <warlord> imagebin
17:39:21 <warlord> Well, sorry, 4 digits. 1.2345
17:41:32 <haclong> here is my security edit : http://imagebin.org/265601
17:42:06 <haclong> here is my account edit : http://imagebin.org/265602
17:42:45 <haclong> http://imagebin.org/265603 : my account register screen
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17:43:06 <haclong> the true value is "Titres = 0,47096"
17:43:20 <haclong> "Acheter = 15"
17:43:38 <haclong> i'm expect price to be "31,85"
17:45:18 <warlord> Why would you expect that?
17:45:50 <warlord> Which two numbers did you enter?
17:46:37 <warlord> (I compute the price at 3.140, based on .471 shares for .15
17:46:49 <haclong> i have entered Stock = 0,47096 and buy = 15
17:47:46 <haclong> ok
17:48:02 <haclong> i have to enter buy = 15,00 to get actual 15 and not 0,15
17:48:20 <warlord> You probably have "auto-decimal" turned on...
17:48:58 <warlord> As for the .471 -- 1/10000 is going to round to the nearest 4 digits.. So 47096 gets rounded to 4710.. and gnucash drops the extra 0, which is why you see .471
17:49:06 <haclong> Preference > General > Number > i have "Forced number of decimals" to Y
17:49:16 <warlord> if you really want 47096 then you need 1/100000 instead of 1/10000
17:49:24 <haclong> ok
17:49:50 <warlord> Yeah, that's why you need to type 1500
17:49:58 <haclong> oooh
17:50:13 <warlord> I have "Automatic decimal point" turned off.
17:50:48 <haclong> i used to have but since i had this rounding issue, somebody somewhere said that i should add more decimals number
17:51:00 <haclong> but it is clearly not the solution :D
17:52:59 <warlord> Not there..
17:53:06 <warlord> You need to change the SCU in your security
17:53:15 <haclong> yeah right
17:53:16 <warlord> from 10000 to 100000
17:53:22 <haclong> looks like it is working well now
17:53:31 <haclong> thank you very much for your patience
17:53:44 <haclong> i have all my decimals
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17:56:30 <haclong> noooooooo !!!
17:56:38 <haclong> all decimals were ok
17:56:44 <haclong> i was very happy then
17:57:01 <haclong> and i closed gnucash and open it back and all values are rounded now !!
17:57:39 <warlord> Rounded to what?
17:59:00 <haclong> 0,47096 stock was add. transaction was saved well but after quitting gnucash and reopen it afterward, my stock value is now rounded to 0,471 again
17:59:27 <haclong> then there's this other stock value : 0,01118 which is now rounded to 0,0112
18:02:26 <haclong> wait
18:02:30 <warlord> Were these entered prior to changing the commodity SCU?
18:02:46 <warlord> (it is possible that GnuCash has an internal decimal limit; but I thought it was more than that)
18:03:17 <haclong> when i go back to my account edit, it is not use commodity anymore but the value has changed to 1/1000
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18:04:12 <warlord> What do you mean "not use commodity anymore"?
18:04:27 <warlord> Are you using a SQL backend?
18:04:36 <haclong> the value "Use Commodity" was updated automatically
18:04:38 <haclong> no
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18:05:09 <haclong> ok
18:05:16 <haclong> i have recreated the stock again
18:05:35 <warlord> Did you save before you exited?
18:05:38 <haclong> this time, i have changed the code to put a custom one and not the bank one
18:05:44 <haclong> of course i have saved !
18:05:45 <warlord> THat shouldn't matter
18:06:13 <haclong> since the first code was created with the template thing, maybe something remain in the datas
18:06:32 <warlord> POSSIBLE..
18:06:34 <haclong> i put back the use commodity value (fraction) in my account edit
18:06:44 <haclong> go back to the account register
18:06:53 <haclong> changed back all my values to 5 decimals
18:07:01 <haclong> reconcile each transaction
18:07:10 <haclong> save, exit, quit, reload gnucash
18:07:16 <haclong> -> all values are fine now
18:08:41 <warlord> ok
18:08:49 <warlord> Clearly something didn't get saved properly...
18:08:57 <haclong> clearly
18:09:13 <haclong> maybe it is some kind of side effect of the template value i used previously
18:10:06 <warlord> Possibly...
18:10:14 <warlord> All bets are off when it comes to the template type
18:10:43 <haclong> i revert the stock from the fake one to the right one (using the bank code then)
18:10:47 <haclong> all seems to be fine no
18:10:48 <haclong> now
18:12:26 <haclong> thank you again for your kindness and your attention
18:12:40 <haclong> i'll be able to add all my stocks now
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18:15:24 <warlord> youre welcome. good luck!
18:15:44 <haclong> thank you. Gnucash is a great application
18:15:57 <haclong> i'm currently discovering it since one week now
18:16:07 <haclong> i'm a fan
18:17:20 <warlord> great to hear. Enjoy
18:22:58 <haclong> i will
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