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01:05:45 <lwells> Ok, well was just a thought
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02:10:08 <smw> lwells, I have suggested this before
02:10:20 <smw> no one seemed interested :-\
02:11:10 <smw> lwells, if I had the skills, I would have done it already :-)
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09:08:02 <warlord> darn, john isn't here..
09:09:25 <warlord> jaggz: dont post it
09:10:44 <warlord> smw: You can already only type portions of the account. E.g., I can type: A : C : C h <tab> to get to Assets:Current Assets:Checking
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12:23:53 <smw> warlord, yes, that is the same answer I got last time
12:24:13 <warlord> Funny that, that the answer doesn't change when you ask the same question multiple times. :-P
12:24:38 <smw> warlord, it wasn't a question
12:24:49 <warlord> It was lwells' question
12:25:04 <smw> warlord, nah, it was a request :-P
12:25:37 <smw> anyways, it would make my life easier if I could just start typing "dining" and not think about expense:food:dining
12:26:00 <warlord> Patches always welcome.
12:26:16 <smw> I don't think of it as a tree. I know I would be much faster if it wasn't so rigid
12:26:27 <smw> warlord, heh, as I said, if I had the skills, I would have fixed it alread
12:28:20 <warlord> It's how I got started, wanting a feature and then hunkering down to implement it myself.
12:28:21 <smw> warlord, I am not saying the ex:f:d is too many letters, just annoying. I need to ensure the autocompletion of 3 different terms to do that. In reality, there is only one dining in my entire tree and gnucash could be smart enough to take "din" as an answer. I am too spoiled by the searches in gnome3 and whatnot ;-).
12:28:53 <warlord> Well, this code was written well before even gnome-1.
12:29:21 <smw> warlord, excuses, excuses :-P
12:29:42 <smw> warlord, I would not know where to start. Where would I find the current autocompletion code?
12:30:02 <smw> I remember looking for it before and pretty much giving up
12:31:50 <warlord> search for 'quickfilll'?
12:32:02 <warlord> I think the code is under the register code.
12:32:19 <smw> thanks
12:35:11 <warlord> np
12:35:45 <smw> warlord, what is register-gnome vs register-core?
12:36:56 <warlord> gnome-ui vs. ui-agnostic
12:37:20 <smw> there is a different UI if running in gnome?
12:38:01 <warlord> No.. it was designed so you could theoretically apply multiple UI toolkits. GnuCash used to use Motif, for example.
12:38:30 <smw> ah
12:38:53 <smw> so right now gnome is the only ui but you could build a qt one if you wanted
12:39:40 <warlord> theoretically..
12:39:50 <smw> heh
12:40:03 <warlord> (that was part of the original design goals, but I suspect much of that has eroded over the past decade of gnome-only development)
12:40:05 <smw> warlord, which one would I look in to make this change?
12:40:26 <warlord> Honestly I dont know
12:40:32 <smw> ok
12:40:32 <warlord> it's been a very long time since I looked at that code
12:41:03 <smw> well, I need to go to work, thanks for the help
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13:04:30 <warlord> enjoy, smw
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13:10:35 <lwells> warlord: hi
13:11:48 <lwells> warlord: Sorry did not see what you had answered to me earlier, I was away
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13:22:54 <warlord> lwells: You can type partial account names and the auto-fill will complete for you. For example, you can type: A : C : C h <tab> and it will complete to Assets:Current Assets:Checking
13:24:13 <lwells> warlord: Actually figured that out yesterday, I always ask before I leap, bad habit
13:24:27 <warlord> :)
13:24:35 <warlord> i know the feeling.
13:25:19 <lwells> warlord: But what I have done with quicken (I know I need to stop comparing) , it that I could start to type the last part of the name and I would go there
13:25:25 <lwells> Does that make sense?
13:26:45 <warlord> yes, and no.. because there could be multiple accounts with the same leaf name various places in the account hierarchy.
13:27:03 <lwells> warlord: Yes that is possible
13:27:16 <warlord> Not just possible, likely..
13:27:40 <lwells> But in then I could show both those and I could pick which one I wanted
13:29:55 <lwells> I know this is a very minor point, and there are more important things to think about
13:30:06 <warlord> If it's important to you: patches are always welcome.
13:30:47 <lwells> Wish I was good enough to help make these changes
13:31:44 <warlord> No time like the present to learn C ;)
13:32:03 <lwells> Totally written in C?
13:34:25 <warlord> not totally.. but about 80% in C, 17% in Scheme, and the rest is other stuff like perl, shell, Make, etc.
13:34:55 <lwells> warlord: I see that you can make custom reports
13:35:07 <lwells> How is that done and are there good tutorials out there
13:35:39 <lwells> I do know html and css, can the reports be formatted with that?
13:35:53 <warlord> reports are written in scheme. You just write your own scheme report and deposit it in to the gnucash 'standard reports' directory, and gnucash will autoload it next time it starts.
13:36:02 <warlord> no.
13:36:19 <warlord> the reports are scheme programs that output html
13:36:38 <lwells> But does scheme allow you use css at all?
13:36:50 <lwells> I mean as part of the output
13:37:04 <warlord> scheme is a programming language, it doesn't care.
13:37:17 <warlord> whether you can use css depends completely on the html rendering engine in use.
13:37:22 <warlord> GtkHTML doesn't support css.
13:37:37 <lwells> ahh, no good
13:37:40 <warlord> (webkit does, but it's not the default yet)
13:37:48 <warlord> GnuCash does have its own stylesheet stuff..
13:37:53 <warlord> (which isn't css)
13:38:17 <lwells> warlord: Sorry I am pretty superficial guy
13:39:05 <lwells> I wanted to create a pretty first screen to look at when I run the progam
13:40:41 <warlord> You can set up a report screen with pretty graphs and leave that as the open window when you exit gnucash; then it will reload that report and show it by default next time you start.
13:41:19 <lwells> I was just hoping that I could prettyfy it more is all, I know more petty stuff
13:41:37 <warlord> I'm not sure what you want to pretty-ift
13:41:38 <warlord> ify
13:42:23 <lwells> like add different headers and some colors, seperators between sections
13:42:53 <warlord> Different headers? You mean additional columns in the CoA?
13:43:12 <warlord> And what do you mean by "separators between sections"?
13:43:49 <lwells> seperators, lines and headers above sections
13:43:57 <warlord> what do you mean by "sections"?
13:45:04 <lwells> Wish I could show you with my quicken on the mac, too many numbers to blot out
13:45:34 <warlord> post a screen shot to imagebin?
13:45:59 <warlord> (but seriously, you need to stop trying to make gnucash into quicken)
13:46:07 <lwells> http://macquickensucks.blogspot.com/2010/04/reports-in-quicken-essentials-for-mac.html
13:46:37 <lwells> That page has couple a reports to zoom in on
13:48:17 <lwells> http://img.informer.com/screenshots/2874/2874578_1.jpg
13:50:21 <lwells> http://quickbooks.intuit.com/qb/categories/oes_images/accounting-systems-v4-graph.jpg
13:50:28 <lwells> Ok, that is it sorry
13:57:45 <warlord> so which one should I look at?
13:58:34 <lwells> Ha ha, sorry, maybe that middle link I sent you
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14:07:56 <warlord> looking..
14:09:20 <warlord> lwells: try: Reports -> Sample & Custom -> Welcome Sample Report
14:09:50 <lwells> warlord: I am looking at the documentation now
14:09:55 <lwells> seeing what I can do
14:09:58 <warlord> Go run that report
14:10:24 <lwells> Ok, did
14:10:39 <lwells> Clean, but I bit plain
14:11:17 <warlord> Geeze, you are hard to please!
14:11:37 <lwells> warlord: Sorry, told you I am pretty superficial
14:11:51 <lwells> I love function but not over design
14:12:04 <warlord> Design without function is useless
14:12:18 <warlord> (and a complete waste of time)
14:12:21 <lwells> I just like them to be pretty close to equal
14:12:26 <warlord> ... it's called "Art"
14:12:40 <warlord> Well, if that's what you want then work on submitting patches..
14:12:42 <warlord> :-P
14:13:06 <lwells> ok ok, I can make that a project
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14:20:10 <warlord> :)
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14:24:44 <lwells> Actually the Guile/Scheme code for the html output looks very similar to html
14:25:02 <lwells> Just got to find a way to style the tags
14:27:59 <lwells> ahh and as you said, I can configure gnucash to use webkit instead of gtkhtml
14:31:31 <warlord> right
14:32:39 <lwells> Is the webkit going to be the default in future versions?
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14:43:26 <warlord> yes
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15:34:45 <jaggz> warlord, just don't post it.. sounds good, thanks. What about something for the customer to see that it's a quote? is my only option the Notes?
15:36:18 <warlord> Right now, yes.. GnuCash does not have the internal concept of a "Quote"
15:36:37 <warlord> Or you could modify the invoice report scheme code to change the title of an unposted invoice to "Quote"
15:38:42 <jaggz> is that in C?
15:41:57 <warlord> No, it's in Scheme
15:42:06 <warlord> Which is why I said "invoice report scheme"
15:42:09 <warlord> code
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15:45:45 <warlord> Hiya john!
15:46:10 <john> Hi Derek. Hang on a minute.
15:46:21 <warlord> k
15:48:03 <john> OK. What's up?
15:50:29 <john> warlord?
15:55:49 <warlord> sorry, stepped away.
15:56:05 <warlord> got a bit for some more git questions?
15:56:15 <john> OK, shoot.
15:57:00 <warlord> considering cherry-picking a ton of changes from trunk into a branch, where that branch will eventually get merged back to trunk...
15:57:11 <warlord> trying to figure out the best procedure
15:57:34 <jaggz> what else is in the branch?
15:57:42 <john> Are there some changes to trunk that you don't want in the branch?
15:57:49 <jaggz> (ie. why not take the whole trunk)
15:59:34 <warlord> yes, there are lots of changes in trunk we don't want in the branch..
15:59:59 <warlord> I only want the changes particular changes I made to trunk, which I need for a project using the branch
16:00:49 <warlord> Eventually the branch (which has some private changes) will get merged down to trunk -- or potentially some will get cherry-picked back to trunk and the rest will get cherry-picked up to a new branch off trunk.. hard to say at this point.
16:01:22 <john> Then you'll have to do manual cherry-picks. You can use foo..bar to get all of the changes between foo and bar. See gitrevisions(7) for far too many ways to select the revs you want.
16:01:45 <warlord> my current plan is to run "foreach c <list of my commits in forward-date order> ; git cherry-pick -x $c; done"
16:02:35 <warlord> I've already used git log to pull the list of changes I want..
16:02:49 <warlord> I'm just wondering if there is a better way, or if this way might bite us later
16:03:26 <john> No need for the foreach. Git cherry-pick can take multiple changes. There are some examples at the bottom of the man page.
16:03:43 <john> No, it won't bite you as long as you do them in the right order. ;-)
16:04:34 <warlord> They are in the right order. Is there any reason not to call 'git cherry-pick' multiple times? I've already got a shell-script with the commands set up in order.
16:04:54 <warlord> Is using -x the right thing?
16:08:03 <john> There's no reason not to call cherry-pick more than once, but doing it in a for loop is a bit risky 'cause it will blow up if there are conflicts, and it might be a pain to restart. But if you feed git all of the changes at once, then it will stop on a conflict; once you resolve the conflict you can restart with `git cherry-pick --continue`.
16:09:18 <john> -x adds a comment to the commit message. If you want the "cherry-picked from…" comment, use it. It makes no difference to anything else.
16:10:10 <warlord> okay, so git cherry-pick -x hash1 hash2 hash3 ... right?
16:11:43 <jaggz> hmm.. background tile doesn't seem to work in the invoice .. logo and header do, but my bg image doesn't show (new style with background tile set to a .png)
16:12:18 <john> warlord: Yes.
16:12:48 <warlord> john: thanks..
16:13:14 <john> You're welcome
16:13:15 <jaggz> I've never used git cherry-pick.. relatively new to git myself
16:13:42 <jaggz> I do find meld, kdiff3, etc. very useful on occasion
16:14:19 <jaggz> but, except if git detects it, that's not useful for tracking things
16:15:13 <warlord> damn, of course something failed...
16:16:41 <john> jaggz: Git will detect it, and you'll get a change. You just have to write the commit message over again, and of course you have to commit it. Cherry-pick takes care of that for you; it will even add a "cherry-picked from" line to the commit message if you want.
16:35:43 <warlord> john: is there a way to get git to show me the state of a file as of a particular commit?
16:36:14 <warlord> (similar to svn co -p ?)
17:00:29 <jaggz> hm
17:02:36 <jaggz> why's there no git-cat ?
17:03:14 <jaggz> seems like it would be nice to dump a file, by name and revision
17:03:36 <jaggz> why's my fancy template-based invoice not display the tiled background?
17:05:43 <warlord> jaggz: what html engine did you compile into gnucash?
17:06:15 <jaggz> I didn't compile it.. in w7 .. just used the installer.
17:14:14 <warlord> Ah, well that could be your problem -- I think windows might still be using GtkHTML, not webkit.
17:14:25 <warlord> Try working on a real OS :)
17:18:14 <warlord> (honestly, I may be wrong; windows *may* be using webkit)
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18:07:37 <jaggz> yeah.. I went with windows a few years ago largely because I had to do a lot of work in adobe software
18:07:50 <jaggz> which didn't run so well through wine, etc. :) it's demanding enough as is.
18:08:09 <jaggz> that left me with linux on some servers and one of my laptops (which also basically sits there as a server now)
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18:40:05 <jaggz> hmm.. I wonder if the bg images are being cached somewhere
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18:47:17 <jaggz> err, images.. I'm putting an image in as a logo that says, at an angle, "QUOTE"
18:47:27 <jaggz> actually, lowercased... "quote"
18:48:35 <jaggz> yeah, it does.. hm
18:48:44 <jaggz> I have to exit and come back in
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18:57:25 <jaggz> how's your cherry picking working out?
18:57:47 <jaggz> my pdf printer that came with this desktop (HP) just expired.
18:57:49 <jaggz> lol.. sigh.
19:01:55 <john> warlord: Derek, sorry, I missed your question about the state of a file. I don't see a -p option to svn co in the manage. Did you mean -r? If so, you can use git checkout <treeish> -- <path>.
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