2013-07-11 GnuCash IRC logs
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12:33:36 <lwells> Is this the main irc channel for gnucash?
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12:39:04 <lwells> HI all
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12:52:58 <warlord> lwells: yes
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14:15:22 <Equis> Hello! Does 2.5.3 (unstable) allow downloading transactions from my bank? I was able to in the stable version but can't seem to find it in unstable.
14:20:13 <lwells> Is there any plans to password protect gnucash files?
14:28:34 <Equis> Online banking does show up in Preferences, but the function does not seem to exist in the menus.
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14:43:26 <Equis> Win Vista 64, btw
14:48:21 <warlord> Equis: 2.5.x shouldn't have lost any functionality in terms of downloading from your bank.
14:48:24 <warlord> lwells: See the FAQ
14:49:03 <Equis> warlord: Thanks for the reply. I reverted back to stable and it appears in the menu again. It's just... gone.
14:50:49 <warlord> Equis: Hmm, which menu item?
14:51:06 <warlord> That might be a bug.. Or it might be an AqB version difference that isn't properly handled.
14:51:11 <warlord> (which would also be a bug)
14:51:23 <Equis> Right in the middle of a reconcile now, but Actions > Online in stable version
14:51:39 <lwells> warlord: thanks, that makes sense what the FAQ say. But, like Quicken, I am talking about more from a standpoint of a casual user not gaining access to the file
14:53:38 <warlord> lwells: what do you mean by "casual user not gaining access to the file"? Why would you deny yourself access? If you're trying to deny someone else, that's what User Accounts are for.
14:54:04 <warlord> Equis: If it's not there then that would be a bug; can you file a bug report in Bz and also send a message to gnucash-devel, please?
14:54:27 <Equis> warlord: Sure.
14:54:34 <lwells> warlord: So here is the senario: My son walks up to computer and clicks on gnucash by mistake, it just lets him in
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14:55:15 <lwells> That is what I mean by the casual user
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14:57:11 <lwells> I am on linux, and I know I can just give him his own login, but just was thinking of those times on computer where he just needs it for like a min then is done
14:58:55 <warlord> lwells: why are you leaving your computer signed in as you?
14:59:20 <warlord> Okay that case, why are you stepping *away* from the computer while he is logged in as you?
14:59:36 <warlord> really, lwells, your son should have his own account.
14:59:41 <warlord> and he should use it ...
15:00:11 <lwells> warlord: Ok, well I guess that answers my question
15:01:27 <warlord> And the FAQ didn't? ;)
15:01:32 <lwells> Just such a bother to lock computer everytime I "step" away for just couple of min
15:01:45 <lwells> warlord: No it did not
15:02:29 <lwells> warlord: I understand what the FAQ said about real security, but that is not what I am talking about
15:02:55 <lwells> warlord: Nevermind, not going to get this point through I guess
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15:10:33 <warlord> lwells: the real answer is that there is no way to really do it in such a way that someone who wants to get in cannot get in.. at which point it becomes a completely false sense of security.
15:11:15 <warlord> In fact, any of the obvious ways to do it would imply it's an extremely simple change to the data file to regain access..
15:11:36 <warlord> Adding encryption would be "bad", because honestly I can imagine the support emails of "I forgot my password -- how do I recover my data?"
15:11:44 <lwells> warlord: I am not arguing the point and I do understand where you are coming from. I know it is not real security for the file. I do not expect my son to try to hack the file to get in
15:12:10 <warlord> Another simple solution is to buy yourself a new computer and then give him your current one :)
15:12:22 <warlord> I should've said "simple" (with the quotes)
15:13:08 <lwells> warlord: Yes, well it is ok, just was more curious than anything. I know I should not try to make this just like Quicken
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15:14:08 <lwells> In many ways it is better than Quicken
15:15:05 <lwells> And for the most part only me and my wife are going to be on computer with our login, not them, I am pretty good at locking computer up. I was just curious
15:19:16 <lwells> Now if they could just make a professional tax prep software , I would be in heaven
15:19:26 <warlord> Fair enough. And feel free to expand the FAQ if it didn't fully answer your question :)
15:19:44 <warlord> Yeah, I wish there were some OSS Tax Prep Software. :-(
15:20:15 <lwells> Only reason I ever need to use windoze anymore
15:22:14 <warlord> I've got one or two others, but yeah.
15:22:51 <lwells> warlord: Do you work on gnucash?
15:23:02 <warlord> Used to...
15:23:30 <warlord> nowadays I mostly answer questions
15:23:43 <lwells> well thanks for that
15:23:56 <lwells> Nice to have support out there for open source software
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15:27:21 <warlord> You're welcome..
15:27:48 <warlord> If I had time I'd answer affirmatively to the email asking for paid support. But I don't really have time for that..
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16:00:24 <jaggz> What's it called if I am making an invoice for a service, but I ask the person to make one check to me, and one to a 3rd party who must be paid?
16:00:56 <warlord> jaggz: there's a term for that?
16:00:58 <jaggz> but I'm handling the legwork for them so they make two checks out, one to me and one to "them" (3rd party) but I handle it..
16:01:47 <jaggz> hmm.. I'm not sure.
16:01:58 <jaggz> How would I handle such a thing on an invoice anyway?
16:02:13 <warlord> I have no idea how you would handle it.
16:02:49 <warlord> I would ask you *why* you're handling it this way? ;)
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16:15:47 <jaggz> we're doing a service to someone.. but we don't want the liability of paying out of our own account in case one of their checks bounces
16:16:10 <jaggz> so we ask one of them to cut the check to the 3rd part, and one to us for our portion of the service, then we handle the whole deal for them
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16:23:06 <YeOldHinnerk> hi
16:23:21 <YeOldHinnerk> is someone using the gnucash app with android?
16:23:32 <YeOldHinnerk> I'm trying to use it for the first time.
16:23:53 <YeOldHinnerk> when I choose to import the account structure, I only get an error message.
16:31:20 <warlord> jaggz: that seems odd from a legal sense..
16:31:53 <warlord> The way I would handle it would be a pair of invoices; one for your part, one for their part.
16:32:20 <warlord> YeOldHinnerk: I've never used it; I'm sure people are. You might try asking on the -user list?
16:35:59 <YeOldHinnerk> nope, not yet. I was trying to get a quick answer so that I could do a first test
16:36:12 <warlord> have you tried the docs from the App?
16:36:29 <YeOldHinnerk> i havent found any official doc yet...
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17:36:18 <warlord> hey john
17:36:53 <john> Hi, Derek, what's up?
17:37:09 <warlord> I figured this might be faster than email if you have time to talk about the git mail output issue ;)
17:37:28 <john> Yeah, that's what I'm working on right now.
17:38:42 <warlord> I was trying to test the -email script, but wasnt sure what to put into $revs to pass as input to the script.
17:40:26 <john> I used "refs/heads/master 3580119 0504533" in gnucash-htdocs. Unfortunately, it works just fine.
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17:41:49 <warlord> That doesn't appear to work for me:
17:41:51 <warlord> echo -e "refs/heads/master 3580119 0504533" | "$postrecmail" -x
17:41:51 <warlord> *** Unknown type of update to 0504533 (commit)
17:41:51 <warlord> *** - no email generated
17:42:27 <warlord> (and yes, this is in gnucash-htdocs)
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17:43:54 <warlord> echo "$postrecmail"
17:43:54 <warlord> /var/lib/gitolite3/repositories/gnucash-htdocs.git/hooks/post-receive-email
17:43:56 <john> I did it a bit differently: I set up a script which sets custom_showrev and then calls post-receive-email directly.
17:44:24 <warlord> That's what I am doing, but without writing a script to do it.
17:44:33 <warlord> I just set up the environment variables that I *thought* it needed..
17:44:47 <jaggz-> warlord, I crashed.. now forced up again. Why strange from a legal standpoint? .. hmm.. seems reasonable. We've done it this way for 23 years
17:45:21 <john> Oh, wait, I see the problem. You're quoting the arguments together into one. Don't do that.
17:45:24 <jaggz-> I think it's not as common for someone to be service and go-between other services.
17:45:39 <warlord> john: I set up "$postrecmail" and also envelopesender, recipients, and custom_showrev..
17:46:24 <warlord> john: still doesn't work:
17:46:26 <warlord> [root@code gnucash-htdocs.git]# echo -e refs/heads/master 3580119 0504533 | "$postrecmail" -x
17:46:26 <warlord> *** Unknown type of update to 0504533 (commit)
17:46:26 <warlord> *** - no email generated
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17:48:43 <warlord> jaggz: If I were the customer I'd question the liability; if there's an issue who do I go after?
17:49:08 <john> Interesting. Yes, when I do it via echo I get the same thing. There must be some separator that's getting embedded in the revs string.
17:50:39 <warlord> How do you generate the revs string?
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17:53:00 <john> I think you mean "how does git generate the revs string?". I don't know. Googling now.
18:01:32 <warlord> Well, how about this: Can you just add "echo $revs" to your script that appears to be working and see what it outputs?
18:02:14 <warlord> The current script seems to read it line-by-line and adds the input..
18:03:10 <john> No, because the way I had it working before was by invoking post-receive-email refs/heads/master 3580119 0504533
18:04:20 <warlord> Running it that was does NOT work locally for me!
18:04:26 <warlord> (locally on code)
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18:04:35 <john> I just found that passing echo -e "\n 3580119 0504533 refs/heads/master" gets me to a fatal sendmail error, which is progress.
18:05:50 <warlord> Nope, that doesn't work for me.
18:06:18 <warlord> But let me rephrase: When I run it as post-receive-email refs/heads/master 3580119 0504533 I *do* get email output! BUt it does not include the diff
18:07:28 <john> Aha! So either gitolite or a bare repo are the issue. Give me a moment to re-clone htdocs bare.
18:09:19 <warlord> Or git version 1.7.x
18:09:32 <warlord> 1.7.6.5 to be exact
18:09:52 <john> Maybe. I'm on 1.8.3.rc0
18:10:22 <warlord> code is running 1.7.6.5
18:10:29 <john> But with some fiddling I can use 1.7.12
18:11:11 <warlord> okay, that should hopefully be "close enough"
18:12:26 <warlord> The weird part is that 'git show -C ..' works just fine on code..
18:14:47 <john> Well, git version isn't the problem, and the fact that `git show -C` works confirms it.
18:14:57 <john> It's the bare repository. Woo-hoo!
18:16:52 <warlord> Hmmm
18:17:55 <warlord> well, I guess that's good that version isn't important ;)
18:18:43 <john> Bisect time. This will take a few minutes.
18:19:41 <warlord> good luck..
18:21:16 <warlord> I wonder how you would get bisect to determine that it worked properly?
18:24:19 <john> Yeah, I just bumped up against that. I think the answer is to run post-recieve instead of post-receive-email.
18:24:43 <john> But I'm not getting the output I expect from git bisect, so something's wrong.
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18:28:59 <warlord> I think you can run "post-receive-email refs/heads/master 3580119 0504533" as your test...
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18:29:56 <warlord> But of course you'll need to run it from the htdocs bare repo
18:31:48 <john> No, there aren't any changes to post-recieve-email between 25 and 29 May. All of the changes are in post-receive.
18:32:59 <warlord> does the post-receive-email from 25th work?
18:33:21 <warlord> The issue, afaict, is in post-receive-email..
18:34:41 <john> Good point. No, it doesn't. But the hook *did* work on the 25th and didn't on the next change, on the 29th.
18:35:36 <john> And Geert changed something so that the subject line format changed between the two, as well.
18:50:35 <john> No, I'm wrong, there is one change on May 28., but it shouldn't have made any difference.
18:52:24 <warlord> It's weird; git log post-receive-email says there is a change, but if I 'git diff' that commit there is no change to that file. WTH?
18:53:04 <warlord> Anyways, family time for me; need to put down the computer for a few hours.
18:53:11 <john> try git log --patch -n 1 local-code/hooks/common/post-receive-email
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19:04:34 <john> OK, I found the problem, at least for the test environment: It's at post-receive-email line 714. Comment that out and the log is displayed.
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19:14:11 <john> Which is from the original commit. So something else changed the behavior. Might you have upgraded git on code around the 29th of May?
19:16:38 <john> No, I know what did it. It was adding the master-trunk alias, because that adds trunk as one of the excluded branches.
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19:18:13 <john> That explains why it works in the working clone: There's no trunk branch.
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20:44:09 <jaggz> Where do I set the name/address of myself, to be shown on the top right of an invoice?
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20:45:54 <jaggz> n/m.. found it File -> Properties
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21:26:48 <jaggz> How do I setup an invoice as a quote only?
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22:19:24 <lwells> Hi again, I want to make a comment about the data entry
22:19:51 <lwells> I do like how the registers are laid out. One point how to make entries easier
22:20:41 <lwells> When you have lots of accounts to choose from, it would be nice to be able to start to type the account name and have it filter down to possible choices
22:21:53 <lwells> And when you type the name of the account have it not necessary to type it in exactly as it appears, it just searches for anyone in the account name to filter it down
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