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09:52:04 <gjanssens> .
09:52:04 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 1 day, 14 hours, and 17 minutes ago: <warlord> no, gncbot gave it to me..
09:52:05 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 1 day, 14 hours, and 17 minutes ago: <warlord> I still think that the 'git' user might need to be able to send to the lists.. We'll have to test it and see who sends the email, 'git' or '<username>'
09:54:05 <gjanssens> warlord: re gncbot: I didn't see that happening, which I why I sent again...
09:54:46 <gjanssens> Anyway, regarding the post rights for the git user: I ran those test when I was configuring gitolite.
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09:59:32 <gjanssens> I dug up the mails that were being generated during those tests
09:59:46 <gjanssens> The sender was gjanssens@code.gnucash.org
10:00:24 <gjanssens> I found two interesting lines in the mail header regarding this:
10:00:43 <gjanssens> From: Geert Janssens <gjanssens@code.gnucash.org>
10:00:51 <gjanssens> And a little further:
10:00:57 <gjanssens> X-Authentication-Warning: code.gnucash.org: git set sender to gjanssens using -f
10:01:34 <gjanssens> That reads to me that it's really the git user sending the mails, but it explicitly sets the sender address
10:01:46 <gjanssens> to the virtual user that pushed the commits.
10:02:44 <gjanssens> So I don't think the git user itself really needs post permissions on the lists.
10:02:58 <gjanssens> Unless you want it to send errors to those lists directly as well
10:08:25 <warlord> Nah, it sounds like the existing mailer settings will work.
10:09:10 <warlord> FYI, I set up the git docs build yesterday. I set up a cron job to run at 1am US/ET every morning.
10:09:38 <warlord> Right now it's NOT building the ja_JP pdf file, so my script tar command is failing, but it's still copying everything else.
10:10:27 <warlord> I'll repoint that to /docs once we're sure it's "correct"
10:11:07 <warlord> another change I made: the developer docs read the version# out of configure.ac, so as we release new versions the docs will update the version # :)
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10:16:07 <warlord> gjanssens: Glad I just tested; had to fix a small permission issue, but now it's working..
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10:20:12 <gjanssens> warlord: thanks for the update
10:21:07 <gjanssens> I'm a bit out of sync regarding the version# change you refer to. Can you add some context ?
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10:22:05 <warlord> gjanssens: the version printed in the doxygen output. It was hard-coded in my builder script.
10:22:05 <gjanssens> At first sight the docs in the git-docs directory look fine
10:22:38 <gjanssens> warlord: ah, that's a nice improvement indeed :-)
10:22:42 <warlord> compare that output to the output in /docs -- the old on says 2.4.99, because that number was hard-coded in my script. The new version pulls it from configure
10:23:26 <warlord> What do we want to do about the ja_JP pdf?
10:24:53 <warlord> am I correct in thinking that I should use 'git pull' in lieu of 'svn update'?
10:25:31 <gjanssens> Yes, git pull is what you want
10:25:59 <gjanssens> re ja_JP pdf
10:26:20 <gjanssens> Wasn't building the japanese docs disabled because it caused a htmlhelp crash on Windows ?
10:26:39 <warlord> I dont recall why it was disabled.
10:26:52 <warlord> IIRC the resulting PDF on Linux was also broken -- missing fonts?
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10:27:45 <gjanssens> Oh right, there was a linux issue as well
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10:28:15 <gjanssens> It had to do with fop crashing while generating metadata for the Japanese fonts.
10:28:42 <gjanssens> It should be fixed in a more recent release of fop (according to the bugreport I filed)
10:28:51 <gjanssens> I haven't tested the new version yet though.
10:29:14 <warlord> Was that the windows issue? Or the linux issue?
10:29:24 <gjanssens> That's linux for sure
10:29:47 <gjanssens> Fedora specific even
10:30:06 <warlord> Of course... :0/
10:30:24 <warlord> Let me see what version of fop I have.. I dont recall if I back-ported a newer version
10:30:32 <warlord> I did. I have fop-1.0-16.fc16.noarch
10:32:44 <warlord> So I guess I can backport a newer version if necessary.
10:34:52 <gjanssens> Hmm, redhat's bugzill is not responding...
10:35:08 <gjanssens> Anyway: this was the bugreport: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=825463
10:35:19 <gjanssens> You can check it when it comes back online
10:35:55 <warlord> Okay..
10:35:56 <warlord> Thanks.
10:36:06 <gjanssens> The version they claim has the issue fixed is 1.0-20.fc17.noarch
10:36:57 <gjanssens> I think getting the japanese pdf generation to work will require to generate the font metafiles
10:37:03 <warlord> I can try direct-installing that..
10:37:22 <warlord> What would that entail?
10:37:22 <gjanssens> That should be done manually before
10:37:37 <gjanssens> Well, the command was in the bug report I believe...
10:37:46 <gjanssens> Which I currently can't look up.
10:40:14 <warlord> Yeah, I get a "proxy error"
10:40:30 <gjanssens> It was my plan to have configure/make handle all this, but I got blocked earlier in my testing due to fop crashing
10:40:57 <gjanssens> I'll have to revisit this one of these days...
10:41:26 <warlord> okay..
10:42:03 <warlord> Keep in mind that code is still f15, albeit with a few updated apps
10:42:18 <gjanssens> Ok
10:43:05 <gjanssens> What do we do with the docs vs git-docs on the server ? Let it run for a couple of days to see how it works ?
10:45:58 <warlord> That was my plan.. once you are ready to switch over I can flip the links.. and then we can disable the svn build completely.
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10:52:43 <jboogie> hi, I want to keep track of movements both of my Euro and my Bitcoins... For now I've just created separate accounts in a single file, but I'm starting to think maybe I'd be better with having seperate files - suggestions/ideas? How would I manage money transfers between one and the other? And also, would I be able to easily move the current Bitcoin account I have in my file (which allready includes several sub-accounts and transactions) to hi
10:54:49 <warlord> jboogie: your message was too long. it ended at "transactions) to hi"
10:55:16 <warlord> But to answer your question, I don't know why you would want multiple data files ; you just need separate accounts.
10:55:30 <jboogie> oh, sorry... here's the last part: (which allready includes several sub-accounts and transactions) to his own file?
10:56:04 <warlord> My rule of thumb is that you should only use separate files when accounting for separate taxable entities.
10:57:23 <gjanssens> warlord: re docs<>git-docs: ok
10:57:30 <jboogie> the main thing that I'm worried about is mixing two currencies (BTW for bitocoins I use XXX).... maybe I just have to get to know gnucash a little better
10:58:04 <jboogie> (I mean maybe it's just I have to get my mind around it)
10:58:39 <warlord> There is nothing wrong with mixing currencies.
10:58:53 <warlord> especially if you are tracking holdings.
10:59:10 <warlord> gjanssens: thanks for the Vote of Confidence :)
11:00:26 <warlord> gjanssens: looks like Bz is back
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11:03:03 <warlord> gjanssens: Looks like it's fixed in 1.0-20.. I can probably just update to the fc16 version. But I don't see anything about fonts in there.
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11:04:11 <jboogie> BTW, is there a reason why you can't add your own currencies just like stocks or is it simply nobody coded it yet?
11:04:44 <jboogie> (I'm thinking of bitcoin and all the myriad of forks that are starting to show up of course)
11:06:57 <gjanssens> warlord: I have been mixing things up.
11:07:09 <gjanssens> warlord: this is the actual bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=881859
11:07:16 <gjanssens> warlord: unresolved as of yet...
11:07:24 <warlord> The reason is that currencies are limited to ISO currencies. Everything else is a "commodity". There are an unlimited number of commodities because anyone can create a company. However very few people can create a currency.
11:07:57 <warlord> gjanssens: ah, so no point in upgrading to -20 for now, I guess.
11:08:05 <gjanssens> warlord: nope
11:09:57 <warlord> Guess we have to wait for 1.1 :-/
11:17:15 <jboogie> warlord: so you suggest I keep my bitcoin account as a Stock account? thinking of it, this way I could at least avoid having everything rounded up to only 2 decimal places
11:18:00 <jboogie> but could I transfer from it directly to an expenses account when I buy something with bitcoins?
11:18:10 <warlord> jboogie: yes, that is what I recommend. You might also want to track it as mili-BTC or mBTC.. That will also help you if you need to trade like 0.00000001BTC
11:18:27 <warlord> No, you would need to translate it to USD
11:19:04 <warlord> That's the one downside of using a stock, you cannot denote an income or expense account as a stock.
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11:23:04 <jboogie> uhm I see... the mBTC advice makes a lot of sense, unfortunately I hadn't thought about it and I have allready some transactions in BTC... I guess there's no easy way to switch to mBTC...
11:27:05 <warlord> you would need to adjust your existing txns
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