2013-03-14 GnuCash IRC logs
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14:21:24 <Phate> Hi! I'm having problems changing the language on OSX. I changed the OSX settings with:
14:21:33 <Phate> defaults write -app Gnucash AppleLocale 'de_DE'
14:21:41 <Phate> defaults write -app Gnucash AppleLanguages '(de)'
14:22:07 <Phate> Now the program language is German. But the account templates are still english. How can I change that?
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14:59:23 <haryv> what is the difference between sale and income in gnucash? say i provide a service installing some data cable and it included supplies. I recieve a check for the total amount. Is that considered a sale?
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15:20:31 <fell__> Phate: you need also to set the LANG environment variable. http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Konfiguration#MacOS seems what outdated, buthttp://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings should be recent.
15:21:35 *** fell__ is now known as fell
15:22:03 <fell> warlord: the server seems to be very slow today.
15:23:25 <warlord> fell: I'm looking...
15:26:42 <warlord> fell: what's bring slow?
15:26:56 <warlord> The network appears fine..
15:27:45 <fell> I am waiting for http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings since 7 min.
15:29:48 <fell> but probably it the belgium part of the network
15:30:30 <fell> Too much snow here :)
15:30:51 <warlord> Maybe.
15:31:30 <warlord> Came up for me immediately
15:32:04 <Phate> I have to set the LANG environment variable. But shouldn't defaults write -app Gnucash AppleLocale 'de_DE' set it correctly?
15:32:37 <Phate> Oh setting the LANG environment variable did it. That's what I tried to tell
15:36:05 <warlord> Phate: glad you got it working
15:37:19 <fell> Phate: could you try to update the german page - I do not know much of MacOs.
15:39:55 <Phate> I don't think it's working correctly. changing the settings would help
15:40:42 <Phate> It's not very comfortable starting the application via the terminal
15:41:20 <Phate> I had to start it like this:
15:41:20 <Phate> LANG=de_DE /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
15:42:27 <warlord> Phate: you can just change the settings in the 'environemnt' file
15:42:32 <warlord> environment, even
15:43:25 <Phate> But on http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings#Changing_the_Language_on_OSX it says that environment variables have no effect
15:44:00 <Phate> <cite>Environment variables have no effect, and there is no environment.sh file.</cite>
15:48:57 <fell> Why are you not adjust your system settings as the first sentence suggests?
15:49:14 <Phate> My system is in German language
15:52:36 <Phate> the language pref is working
15:52:43 <Phate> if I do this:
15:52:47 <Phate> defaults write -app Gnucash AppleLanguages '(en)'
15:53:08 <Phate> The Gnucash UI is in english
15:54:08 <Phate> I found a solution for me: /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash is a Shellscript. I'm setting the LANG environment variable there
15:55:47 <Phate> Should I open a bug report? I don't think this is intended. Because there is really no environment.sh file
15:56:15 <warlord> Phate: you can just update the wiki yourself.
15:56:27 <warlord> (no need to file a bug report, just improve the text)
15:57:10 <Phate> No, I don't think the wiki is wrong.
15:57:53 <Phate> except for the german version. That seems outdated
15:58:08 <warlord> ok.
15:58:18 <warlord> Then what bug do you see?
16:00:20 <warlord> The german version of the wiki?
16:00:54 <Phate> The locale setting of the system is only partially used
16:02:35 <Phate> this german version: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Konfiguration#MacOS
16:02:50 <warlord> Phate: so the german version of the wiki..
16:03:08 <warlord> (I dont read german so I cannot comment on the wiki text)
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16:04:35 <Phate> The german wiki solution is to use a apple script to start X11, set the env vars and than start gnucash
16:05:26 <Phate> but I think that is really incorrect, because X11 is not used
16:06:01 <Phate> I would update the german wiki to the English version if it would work that way :-)
16:06:07 <warlord> Yeah, I think those instructions are out of date and should be updated on the wiki
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16:06:25 <warlord> Do the english wiki instructions work?
16:06:44 <Phate> No, only the half of it
16:07:38 <Phate> Gnucash uses the OSX language setting as stated in the wiki
16:07:45 <Phate> but it does not use the locale setting as sated in the wiki
16:08:08 <warlord> Well, then, fix both english and german wikis?
16:09:48 <Phate> Well I think because the language setting is used and the locale setting not that it is really intended to use the locale setting
16:10:48 <Phate> If you say this inconsistent behavior is really intended I will fix both wikis
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16:13:08 <warlord> fell: just FYI I am seeing a lot of packet loss on my network..
16:14:19 <warlord> (although I cannot tell if its a network issue or a measurement issue)
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16:16:10 <Phate> warlord: did you get my last to messages? (because of your c/l)
16:16:29 <warlord> Phate: nope
16:16:32 <warlord> (sorry)
16:16:54 <Phate> Well I think because the language setting is used and the locale setting not that it is really intended to use the locale setting
16:16:54 <Phate> If you say this inconsistent behavior is really intended I will fix both wikis
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16:17:37 <warlord> Honestly i dont understand the problem sufficiently to answer that.
16:17:47 <warlord> Send mail and ask jralls
16:19:20 <warlord> fell: unfortunately I am 400 miles away and wont be back until tomorrow; when I get back I will check on things if they don't correct themselves before
16:20:14 <Phate> lol. OK. By mail you mean the mailinglist?
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16:21:00 <warlord> yes
16:21:11 <fell> Phate, did you see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings#LANG_vs_LANGUAGE ? If that is not refected in the OSX section, you should discuss it with jralls, our OSX expert, by email. Probably he didn't test it fully.
16:22:43 <Phate> fell: Yeah I saw that.
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16:24:21 <Phate> I will send an email to mailinglist do find out what is intended. If I come to an conclusion to that I will update the english and german version
16:24:28 <Phate> Thanks for now
16:24:53 <fell> Bitteschön!
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18:51:08 <warlord> fell, fyi my home net is seeing 25-50% packet loss, which would probably explain your issues.
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18:53:27 <fell> Ok, warlord,let's have a closer look tomorrow.
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19:01:36 <warlord> fell_, fyi my home net is seeing 25-50% packet loss, which would probably explain your issues.
19:03:06 <fell_> Yes, I read it before my line was reset. Currently it is again bad.
19:03:44 <fell_> So we will see tomorow more.
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19:05:30 <fell_> Here we have a coney. It can cut lines, but I still have to teach her, how torepair a line. ;-)
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