2013-02-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:15:30 <gour> hello
08:18:12 <gour> i was moving some cash transactions from one assets-cash to (reorganization), but now i've some amount !=0 shown in the 'holder' account, but no transactions visible. any idea how to try to resolve this issues without reverting to the old state?
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09:39:45 <warlord> gour: check your view dates.
09:40:34 <gour> warlord: they're ok, but still no luck...i reverted my file and will re-organize again...
09:44:06 <warlord> Where were you seeing the balance? In the CoA or in a Register?
09:44:48 <gour> CoA, Register was empty
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09:45:14 <warlord> Did the account have children? Perhaps you were just seeing the result from children accounts?
09:48:06 <gour> yes, there are children, but children accounts were OK...i bet something went wrong when i wanted to make parent (problematic) account as placeholder and then GC was giving warning about read-only account...i rm-ed placeholder flag, but the balance was still not zero and not showing any transaction
09:48:41 <warlord> that flag doesn't do anything about existing transactions in the account.
09:48:48 <warlord> Or zeroize it if there are transactions.
09:48:56 <warlord> But is it possible that the children don't add up to 0?
09:51:58 <gour> well the two children are cash accounts for two different currencies, so no question to create 0
09:53:08 <warlord> Maybe it would help me to see what you're seeing with a screen shot -- then I can try to help you debug what's going on?
09:54:37 <gour> well, in the meantime i reverted my file to the previous snapshot (i keep files under dvcs), but i may try to reproduce it when i finish reorganizing
09:55:19 <warlord> ok
09:55:34 <warlord> Are you reorganizing via reparenting? Or some other method?
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09:57:08 <gour> now i do reorganizing by changing transactions from the parent to the child, but previously i did move from one parent-child to the new parent-child
09:57:35 <warlord> I guess it depends what you're trying to reoganize.
09:57:40 <warlord> reorganize.
09:59:03 <gour> nothing complicated...i had cash1 --> croatiankuna and wanted to move all transactions to cash2 --> kuna
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10:00:21 <warlord> Are all your transactions in cash1 going to croatiakuna? And are all your transactions in croatiankuna coming from cash1?
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10:04:21 <gour> the problem was that i've started with just cash1 account and everything was in croatiankuna...then i found out there is need for another cash account to handle €s, so i did create cash1 --> croatiankuna and cash1 --> EUR children and entered some transactions under croatiankuna account, but the majority of old transactions were stored in cash1 account...i could not find a way (is
10:04:25 <gour> there some?) to move all cash1 transactions to cash1 --> croatiankuna child, so i created new cash2 account with croatiankuna & eur accounts trying to move from cash1 --> croatiankuna to the same account under cash2 and the remove cash1
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10:07:15 <warlord> Oh, I misunderstood your terminology. By cash1 -> croatiankunu you don't mean a transfer from "cash1" to "croatiankuna", you mean "cash1:croatiankuna", where 'croatiankuna' is a subaccount of 'cash1'
10:07:34 <warlord> The Foo -> Bar terminology means a transfer.
10:08:13 <warlord> If you want to move all transactions from one account into another account the easiest way is to delete that account. GnuCash will ask you where to move the transactions, and you can specify the new account.
10:08:23 <warlord> Note that you might need to create another new parent account first for this to work.
10:09:07 <warlord> So, e.g., create a cash2, move all your children of cash1 to have cash2 as the parent, so cash1 only has itself. Then you can delete cash1 and tell it to move all transactions to cash2:kuna
10:09:18 <warlord> then you can rename cash2 back to cash1, if you wish
10:09:25 <gour> yes, it was/is cash1:croatiankuna...and, right, i tried to do it by deleting account and moving all transactions
10:09:43 <gour> now i see that it was my stupidity..:-(
10:10:49 <gour> after manually changing all transactions from cash1 to cash1:croatiankuna, now i see that the balance is not zero again, but it is amount of croatiankuna+EUR (exchanged into croatiankuna) :-)
10:12:23 <warlord> LOL.
10:12:42 <warlord> That would do it.
10:12:51 <gour> the only positive thing is that i learnt something new about GC today ;)
10:13:38 <gour> btw, i'm surprised reading the recent thread in devel that there are ideas to move from gtk+ to some C++ toolkit...even john was kind of agreeing and your suggestion was, iirc, qt?
10:13:41 <warlord> well, that is positive
10:14:12 <warlord> Well, it's unlikely that will happen soon, but yeah, I am getting very disillusioned about the Gnome project.
10:14:23 <warlord> (yes, i suggested Qt)
10:14:42 <warlord> Right now I'm really wishing I could've written QofQuery in C++
10:16:22 <gour> i'm running xfce and i like it, but not being too familiar what is going on with gtk+....otoh, recently found out about nice language - nimrod (http://nimrod-code.org/) which has gtk bindings and IUP, but i'm not sure the latter are good enough to compete with gtk/qt/wx...otoh, providing qt/wx bindings is never easy
10:16:55 <gour> i'd like to avoid coding in C++...what is your opinion about wxwidgets, in general?
10:18:14 <warlord> Never really looked at WxWidgets.
10:18:30 <warlord> I'd prefer C++ over some random language (nimrod???!?)..
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10:25:27 <gour> heh, i could imagine...wx looks nice (the most native among 3 big players), but the project is heavily underpowered in number of devs in comparison with qt
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10:28:04 <warlord> Yeah.
10:33:01 <gour> they're 'releasing' 3.0 for quite some years...
10:33:28 <warlord> Yeah, well, Gnome3 sucks hairy monkey balls.
10:33:41 <warlord> As a Desktop UI I plan to switch to XFCE at my next system refresh.
10:37:50 <gour> i was installing wheezy on my friend's new laptop yesterday and by mistake let installer to install 'desktop environment', but we quickly fixed mistake by rm-ing it and putting xce on :-)
10:37:59 <gour> s/laptop/netbook
10:39:17 <warlord> LOL
10:39:41 <warlord> I don't use DebUntu so I don't know exactly what that means..
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10:42:45 <shanny> hi everyone
10:43:05 <gour> warlord: which distro you use, btw?
10:43:14 <warlord> fedora
10:44:20 <shanny> there is a channal for italian people?
10:44:35 <shanny> sorry, "channel"
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10:46:41 <warlord> shanny: there is a gnucash-it mailing list..
10:49:35 <shanny> thank you warlord
10:51:23 <warlord> alas, there is no italian chat room like this.
10:51:33 <warlord> I do not know how many people are on the -it mailing list.
10:53:33 <shanny> ah....ok. can i try to describe my problem and solve it (if it is possible)?
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10:57:04 <shanny> i must change the rate of tax in the invoice window; my problem is that the gnucash give me a subtotal=total/(1+rate).....i don't need 1
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11:03:50 <warlord> shanny: Sounds like you don't want taxincluded.
11:04:16 <shanny> no, sorry but my english is very bad!!!
11:06:55 <warlord> There are two ways to set up your tax: taxincluded or not: You either are entering the 'total' or 'subtotal', and it will compute the other based on "taxincluded"
11:07:57 <warlord> The equation is ALWAYS total = subtotal * (1 + rate).
11:08:05 <shanny> i want tax included, but in italy there is a new tax rate that is 5% and stop. if i flag the "tax included" the software give me a wrong subtotal
11:09:34 <shanny> for example for 100$ i must have 95$=subtotal and 5$=tax
11:10:05 <warlord> Right, so if you have an item that's value is €9.52 with a 5% tax (.48) gives you €10
11:10:42 <warlord> Unfortunately gnucash does not compute it your way
11:10:51 <warlord> And there is no way to make it compute it your way.
11:10:56 <warlord> (without changing a lot of code0
11:11:18 <shanny> ok thank you very much for your help!!!!!
11:11:25 <shanny> thank you
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11:12:15 <warlord> What you want is more like a "taxremoved" method..
11:12:23 <warlord> .. which gnucash doesn't support.
11:13:16 <warlord> Feel free to file a bug report in Bugzilla (see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla for more info)
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11:13:42 <shanny> thank you
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15:15:57 <sp4rc> hey guys, out of nothing the mt940 import function broke... i am using gnucash version 2.4.11 (latest) on windows
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15:16:27 <sp4rc> i've tried also files which i was able to import before
15:16:48 <sp4rc> the import dialoge (choose file) appears and then that's it
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15:17:32 <sp4rc> i have really no clue why this broke out of nothing
15:17:53 <sp4rc> it just can't be the mt940 files
15:17:58 <sp4rc> i am using
15:19:36 <sp4rc> any ideas?
15:20:12 <warlord> sp4rc: sorry, I don't know. You can try asking on the gnucash-user mailing list, or possibly the AqBanking list..
15:20:52 <sp4rc> okay i'll give it a try :(
15:21:08 <warlord> Sorry I cant help you.
15:21:27 <warlord> (Honestly I know nothing about the mt940 protocol or the importer, so I cannot even guess what the issue might be)
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21:47:22 <talso> i'm having trouble opening gnucash, 2.4.11 win7 64bit, i've reinstalled and tried the gconf stuff on the wiki
21:47:46 <talso> the gconfd deletion in the homedir got me the logo and startup tip back
21:48:35 <talso> i tried opening an old .gnucash file directly, same deal
21:49:17 <talso> tried my files in linux and it works so the file isn't corrupt
21:52:03 <talso> oh i might have found the bugzilla dealy
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22:20:32 <talso> ah got it
22:22:31 <talso> reset my gtk2 theme font back to default font and xfce-4.4 theme
22:22:41 <talso> not sure if that was related
22:23:19 <talso> deleted .gconf* and .gnome2* .gnucash from my win homedir
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22:23:27 <talso> started as administrator
22:26:13 <gnuqs> when trying to post a bill to "accounts receivable", there are no accounts available in the dropdown in the "post to" dialogue. Can anyone help me out with this problem? [there IS an "accounts payable" in the account overview, and also creating a new one in the "post to" dialogue doesnt work. I run 2.4.11] Thx!
22:38:16 <talso> can't say i've used AR's
22:38:27 <talso> is the asset type set?
22:38:29 <talso> is it new?
22:39:12 <gnuqs> sorry, i meant AP, not AR. The whole installation is new. I was able to post an invoice to AR, but no bill to AP
22:40:04 <gnuqs> how do you mean asset type?
22:40:35 <talso> well liability now
22:41:13 <gnuqs> I have changed liability (preset) to a/p and back to liability, in any way it doesnt word
22:41:14 <gnuqs> k
22:41:49 <gnuqs> there is nothing to select in the dropdown, and creating a new a/p wont show in the dialogue, but in the account list
22:47:50 <talso> lemme make a new one
22:48:31 <gnuqs> how can i let you have access?
22:49:06 <talso> shrug i'm not familiar with it, i probably can't help
22:49:09 <talso> lemme poke around a bit
22:49:28 <gnuqs> al8
22:49:36 <gnuqs> its too late. alr
22:58:30 <talso> looks like it has to be posted to an expense account
22:59:50 <gnuqs> will i need to change the expense account to an a/p account type?
23:01:08 <talso> no
23:01:47 <gnuqs> wont work either… the preset type for expenses was "liabilities"
23:03:34 <talso> it should be shouldn't it?
23:03:47 <talso> you have a bill that needs to be paid
23:03:52 <gnuqs> right
23:04:03 <gnuqs> so it should be...
23:04:12 <talso> so where's this post to?
23:04:24 <gnuqs> at this point im willing to change anything just in order to be able to post the bill...
23:04:43 <talso> save, then enter button?
23:04:57 <gnuqs> the account in the "account line" where it is "filed under" is Expenses/general expenses
23:05:09 <gnuqs> and it should be posted to "a/payable"
23:05:15 <gnuqs> since i need to pay it...
23:05:28 <gnuqs> and once its in there, I can just pay it from the bank.
23:05:40 <gnuqs> this worked perfectly fine with the invoice
23:06:21 <talso> yeah i don't see my saved bill in AP either
23:06:24 <talso> i have to search for it
23:06:31 <talso> nor my expenses
23:08:03 <gnuqs> please dont make me cry and tell me its a bug… i just started with gnu and i really like it for the ease of use...
23:08:14 <talso> time to pull the docs
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23:08:22 <talso> i'm just a user man :P
23:08:47 <gnuqs> thanks for helping still! I really felt alone… :)
23:08:58 <talso> http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/bus-ap-bills1.html
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23:10:05 <talso> ah i see the post button now
23:10:38 <talso> had to stretch the interface out
23:10:59 <gnuqs> exactly. in this question box there is nothing to select
23:12:11 <talso> ok so i posted it to my liabilities:AP account
23:12:19 <talso> one sec
23:14:46 <talso> hmm sshot upload is failing
23:15:17 <talso> so do you have an account with the asset type A/Payable ?
23:15:30 <gnuqs> i sure do
23:16:02 <talso> is the security/currency different maybe?
23:16:14 <gnuqs> ill check
23:16:53 <gnuqs> everything is set to EUR
23:19:28 <talso> yeah the only drop down i get is for A/Payable account type
23:19:37 <talso> lol well i just got it stuck now
23:19:58 <talso> tried to spawn a new account and got the dialog box stuck behind the other windows
23:20:23 <gnuqs> haha… sounds like window fun…
23:20:41 <talso> yeah got it with move on the bottom windows bar
23:20:42 <gnuqs> well, at least you have something in the dropdown… i have nothing...
23:23:45 <talso> interesting
23:24:19 <talso> so i created apayable2 with that AP asset type and I don't see it in the dropdown either
23:24:35 <gnuqs> do you see anything in the dropdown at all?
23:24:49 <gnuqs> or is the little arrow grey, meaning there is nothing to select?
23:25:00 <talso> yeah my original liabilities:A/Payable that came with the template
23:25:22 <gnuqs> ok… i dont have that...
23:27:15 <talso> I changed the currency and now i have nothing
23:27:42 <gnuqs> it has nothing to do with the expense account, and nothing with reassigning the existing or new a/p accounts...
23:28:14 <gnuqs> uhh… sound good. you changed it where?
23:28:28 <gnuqs> in expenses, liabilities?
23:28:53 <talso> accounts window -> edit
23:29:07 <talso> liabilities:a/payable
23:30:01 <gnuqs> no, that does nothing for me
23:31:20 <talso> well i changed to be different than my default currency in the preferences
23:32:15 <gnuqs> i changed everything from usd to eur at setup, and then i changed liabilities to another currency, and back to eur, nothing helped
23:32:34 <talso> liabilites:a/payable right?
23:32:38 <talso> not the placeholder?
23:33:23 <gnuqs> yup
23:33:56 <gnuqs> i dont think any account is a placeholder...
23:35:20 <gnuqs> i just thought of something else…. are you able to mark your bill as "invoiced" ?
23:35:36 <talso> yeah so i set both to CAD i can see both accounts
23:35:50 <talso> in post to account
23:36:00 <gnuqs> ill try
23:36:14 <talso> which is my default currency on ALL accounts
23:37:19 <gnuqs> nope… it doesnt seem to have any effect on that
23:39:50 <gnuqs> AAAAAAAAAHHHHH
23:39:53 <gnuqs> found it
23:40:07 <gnuqs> i had entered the vendor, with payment info set to USD
23:40:18 <gnuqs> now i changed the vendor to EUR and it works
23:40:22 <gnuqs> gaaahhhh
23:40:47 <gnuqs> sorry…. apparently the default currency setting did not work in the vendor field
23:41:05 <talso> coolio
23:41:14 <gnuqs> coolio indeed!
23:41:20 <talso> i know how to use bills now!
23:41:23 <gnuqs> sorry for the bother...
23:41:27 <gnuqs> ^^
23:42:19 <talso> i'll resume idling for another 4 years now :P
23:42:28 <gnuqs> ^^
23:42:48 <gnuqs> thank you so much… i wouldnt have dreamed about a currency problem without you
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