2012-12-06 GnuCash IRC logs
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11:16:48 <TCCPhreak> hello
11:18:16 <TCCPhreak> I have an old Gnucash-file (account information for 2002/2003; printout of GnuCash-user manual indicates that it could be from 1.6.x) - still is XML, though.
11:19:09 <TCCPhreak> When I try to open it with our current version (2.4.10), it does not recognize the file - it believes that the file is from a *newer* version.
11:19:58 <TCCPhreak> GnuCash-FaQ says that upgrading from >=1.8.x should always be possible. Is there some simple converter for <1.8-xml-files?
11:27:39 <warlord> you probably need to step to 2.0 first.
11:28:41 <warlord> Unfortunately the file version check is a little brittle. You can also try loading into an early 2.4.x version before the version-check was added..
11:28:49 <warlord> But for 1.6, that's *very* old.
11:30:24 <TCCPhreak> the xml-file doesn't look too different. In fact, I'm currently trying to add the namespace-specifications and some missing elements to make it work. didn't succeed, though.
11:31:00 <warlord> No, because it's also looking at version-number information in the objects.
11:31:25 <warlord> You should file a bug report, but unless you can supply a data file that shows the issue I doubt the developers can fix it.
11:31:26 <TCCPhreak> I don't mind migrating the files - in fact, I'm moving some old files to version control, so committing original version, then patching to more current version and re-committing would be fine.
11:32:30 <TCCPhreak> version="2.0.0" - in both the old file and a file created yesterday.
11:32:41 <warlord> It's more a question of could you provide a "broken" file to the devs?
11:33:05 <TCCPhreak> is there some version information in the uuids, too?
11:34:42 <warlord> No
11:35:01 <warlord> I honestly don't know how the "version" checks work..
11:35:01 <TCCPhreak> I've got quite some .xac-files but none of those can be read, either... so I doubt that the files are all broken.
11:35:05 <warlord> But sounds like there is a bug.
11:35:17 <warlord> It's not the file that's broken, it's the "version checker"
11:35:33 <warlord> ... which is why you would need to supply an example to the dev so they can fix the bug.
11:36:54 <TCCPhreak> I'm not sure if it's really a bug. If upgrading is supported from >=1.8 only and my file is older, it makes sense to not be natively supported. Still there should be a way to migrate the files.. some xslt-conversion, maybe.
11:38:41 <warlord> There should be a way to import it, yes.
11:39:26 <warlord> I don't know where that was lost.. I do think at some point we dropped the xml-v1 reader, and only remained with xml-v2. I dont recall when that was dropped
11:40:16 <TCCPhreak> I think xml-v1 was in 1.8 and xml-vs was from 1.9 onward (I've already googled and read a bit)
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11:41:29 <warlord> Could be.. I know 1.8/2.0 was the transition.
11:41:37 <warlord> er, was *a* transition.
11:41:47 <warlord> It's too bad we lost the ability to read in old files..
11:42:40 <warlord> But yeah, you can try using 1.8 or 2.0 to read it in.
11:43:27 <warlord> (I dont recall when gnucash actually converted from v1 to v2; I know it was in the 1.x days, but I don't recall exactly when. I know 1.2 was binary. I dont recall if 1.4 was binary or xml. I know 1.6 was xml.
11:44:18 <TCCPhreak> xml is listed in the "What's new in GnuCash 1.6"-section of my paper docu.
11:44:33 <TCCPhreak> So I guess that this was one big migration move and 1.4 didn't include it.
11:46:29 <TCCPhreak> Is there some kind of archive for older files? SourceForge seems to only give 2.4... I could try compiling an older version but would prefer not to.
11:52:06 <warlord> sf should have everything back to at least 1.8
11:52:18 <warlord> same on gnucash.org.
11:52:23 <warlord> there is also svn..
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11:55:00 <warlord> (for the sources)
11:55:56 <TCCPhreak> in the "stable"-folder, I can go back to 2.2.0 but not further
11:57:03 <TCCPhreak> okay.. the person next to me could open the same file with the same version (2.4.10) - just needed to select encoding.. So I guess there is something wrong with the version installed on this PC
11:59:54 <TCCPhreak> So I'll try to open the file at home, save it and hope it loads here.. I'm sorry for bothering..
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12:05:35 <TCCPhreak> thanks for your help! bye!
12:06:25 <warlord> Hmm.. okay.
12:06:27 <warlord> good luck!!
12:06:38 <TCCPhreak> thx
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13:39:02 <fabior> hello everybody
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14:55:27 <pablo> @tell aqua__ I'm looking for you. I should be on this channel most of the day. Please give a ring. Thx.
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15:31:37 <pablo> @tell aqua_ I'm looking for you. I should be on this channel most of the day.
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16:41:56 <rabbit_uk> Hello! I'm wondering if anybody can help me with the Advanced Portfolio option in Gnucash (I'm using version 2.4.11).
16:42:59 <rabbit_uk> The issue I have is that the cash dividends I received are not showing up even though I have recorded them using the Income:Dividends:<SYMBOL> style accounts.
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16:50:31 <warlord> rabbit_uk: Try going from Income -> Cash and then Cash -> Investment
16:52:43 <rabbit_uk> warlord: I understand what you're suggesting but wouldn't it make more sense to go from income->investment->cash?
16:53:18 <warlord> I thought this was reinvestments?
16:54:16 <rabbit_uk> warlord: Nope, it's the dividends companies are paying out. So the company is releasing some of its value.
16:55:12 <rabbit_uk> warlord: I'll try routing it through investment and see if the Advanced Portfolio picks it up.
16:56:20 <warlord> Oh, I don't think the report tackles that.
16:56:53 <warlord> It's neither a Gain nor Loss, it's "income" that you receive because of your ownership.
16:57:36 <rabbit_uk> Okay.
16:58:06 <rabbit_uk> For a couple of the shares I own I receive a SCRIP dividend (I believe it might be called DRIP in the US).
16:58:42 <rabbit_uk> So I receive that dividend in the form of extra shares. The advanced portfolio does pick those up.
17:00:11 <warlord> Right, that's a "reinvestment"
17:02:13 <rabbit_uk> What would be required to modify the Advanced Portfolio to pick up the dividend income I have in Income:Dividends and relate it to the appropriate stock account?
17:02:40 <rabbit_uk> Would it be enough to edit the Scheme file?
17:04:07 <rabbit_uk> My aim is to be able to view the total change in value of my portfolio over a time period and include the dividends that I receive (whether they are DRIP/SCRIP or cash).
17:08:22 <rabbit_uk> Ah, of course silly me. It's not possible to route it through the stock account since it's a different unit (must be a whole number of shares).
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17:27:42 <warlord> Yeah..
17:28:08 <warlord> You could modify the Scheme, but I'm not sure the best way to mark the Income account as "coming from that investment"
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17:37:38 <rabbit_uk> For myself I could just stick to the convention that I have a 1:1 mapping for dividend income account to stock account
17:38:23 <rabbit_uk> Then I'm guessing I could alter the Scheme to look in the Income: dividend accounts to match up income transactions.
17:45:17 <warlord> True..
17:45:20 <warlord> That could work.
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