2012-11-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:24:16 <gjanssens> Hi
09:24:47 <gjanssens> warlord: I've been pushing some commits to htdocs, but the don't seem to appear on the website
09:25:18 <gjanssens> Can you check if the post-commit hook has generated some errors ?
09:25:55 <gjanssens> In particular the last two commits don't come through
09:26:29 <gjanssens> One to enable epub and mobi downloads for the 2.4 versions of the documentation on the docs.phtml page
09:26:49 <gjanssens> One to add a release announcement for the documentation on the news page
09:27:12 <gjanssens> Commits are r22572 and r22573
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09:34:49 <gjanssens> Oops, got myself kicked from irc
09:35:16 <gjanssens> According to the public log, I didn't get an answer yet, so I'll wait
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10:01:38 <warlord> gjanssens: sorry, I'm here now. Was dealing with the baby..
10:01:58 <warlord> I can run the poke manually to see. There might be a time-window where it wont re-pull.
10:02:59 <warlord> Aha!
10:03:01 <warlord> Conflict discovered in 'externals/header.phtml'.
10:03:01 <warlord> Select: (p) postpone, (df) diff-full, (e) edit,
10:03:01 <warlord> (mc) mine-conflict, (tc) theirs-conflict,
10:03:01 <warlord> (s) show all options: Select: (p) postpone, (df) diff-full, (e) edit,
10:03:01 <warlord> (mc) mine-conflict, (tc) theirs-conflict,
10:03:02 <warlord> (s) show all options: svn: Can't read stdin: End of file found
10:03:34 <warlord> Looks like Linas' change
10:03:41 <warlord> ... is interfering
10:04:05 <gjanssens> warlord: np
10:04:18 <gjanssens> What's the change linas introduced ?
10:06:08 <warlord> He manually fixed that php error
10:06:34 <warlord> at least I thought he did
10:09:26 <gjanssens> I know, but can you see exactly what change he made ?
10:09:45 <gjanssens> That way I can evaluate if we need to keep his change or not
10:10:38 <gjanssens> Although the error "svn: Can't read stdin: End of file found" is a bit strange...
10:10:48 <gjanssens> Or did you hit ctrl-c at that point ?
10:11:13 <warlord> I didn't do anything. I just ran the script on code that pings www to pull the website from svn.
10:11:19 <warlord> I dont have access to www.gnucash.org
10:11:26 <warlord> I can't see what change he made.
10:11:32 <gjanssens> Ok
10:12:32 <gjanssens> The script tells the webserver to run an svn update ? Is that how it works ?
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10:14:31 <warlord> yeah
10:15:16 <gjanssens> Ok, then linas will have to run this command manually and choose a conflict resolution.
10:15:21 <gjanssens> I'll send him an email
10:15:25 <warlord> yeah
10:15:27 <warlord> thx
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11:32:12 <warlord> gjanssens: how have you been?
11:32:26 <gjanssens> warlord: pretty busy
11:32:59 <gjanssens> We have currently an exhibition going on in Christa's shop
11:33:30 <gjanssens> which took some time to prepare
11:33:54 <gjanssens> But pretty good overall
11:33:56 <warlord> Oooh, I hope it's going well!
11:34:05 <warlord> (and I can imagine that taking a long time to set up)
11:34:31 <gjanssens> We are having a good response so far, we're very satisfied
11:34:49 <warlord> Awesome!
11:35:29 <gjanssens> Yeah
11:36:34 <gjanssens> In the free moments I had the last few weeks I worked on the documentation release which I finished today
11:37:01 <gjanssens> It took me 3 days :(
11:37:16 <gjanssens> Partly because I had to join the exhibition on and off
11:37:30 <warlord> Real life has to take first priority.
11:37:35 <warlord> trust me, I understand.
11:37:59 <gjanssens> and partly because I rewrote the process in the wiki
11:38:08 * gjanssens hope the server won't crash this time ;)
11:38:19 <warlord> code?
11:38:24 <warlord> hopefully not.
11:39:05 <warlord> We've got the power problem solved. At least locally. Only issue would be upstream -- Comcast seems to have an amplifier or something in the field that might need a new battery. I need to call them today to see what they did with my ticket.
11:40:34 <gjanssens> I haven't noticed power outages recently, do you still have them ?
11:41:12 <gjanssens> I know we have a ups for the servers now, but I mean generally in your area
11:43:57 <warlord> yeah, last one was about 2-3 weeks ago, coinciding with Sandy, but unrelated
11:44:03 <warlord> had 20m outage..
11:44:41 <warlord> .. and discovered a problem with the ups net card that prevented the ups from reverting to AC.
11:44:53 <warlord> i think that's been fixed now.
11:45:18 <gjanssens> good
11:45:50 <warlord> now i just need to get comcast to fix their equipment
11:46:58 <gjanssens> yeah, getting large corporations to get into action is not always evident...
11:50:09 <warlord> yeah
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13:11:23 <gjanssens> warlord: regarding our git migration
13:11:45 <gjanssens> it seems to me there is no additional feedback on the list anymore
13:11:56 <gjanssens> so I'd say we can go for the last consensus
13:12:09 <gjanssens> being: gitolite on code.gnucash.org
13:12:18 <gjanssens> all the devs push to this repo
13:12:34 <gjanssens> github is a public (read-only) repo for the world
13:12:56 <gjanssens> do you think you can find some time in the relatively near future to try out gitolite ?
13:14:01 <gjanssens> And a second question: did you already contact Otto ter Haar regarding a Dutch gnucash mailing list ?
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13:32:03 <warlord> I should have some time this weekend -- it's Thanksgiving here in the USA.
13:32:24 <warlord> The holiday is Thu. I have Fri off too.
13:32:38 <warlord> I've neglected my duties with Otto, too. Mea Culpa.
13:40:09 <gjanssens> NP, that's why I'm here to remind you ;p
13:40:25 <warlord> lol
13:40:27 <warlord> thanks
13:40:34 <gjanssens> you're welcom
13:40:38 <gjanssens> e
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15:01:17 * gjanssens has to go. See you later.
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17:50:34 <Ahmuck> hi. i am having problems with the tutorial
17:50:50 <Ahmuck> the tutorial and what is happening in gnucash are not the same
17:51:15 <Ahmuck> it appears to be borked
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18:15:39 <Ahmuck> i guess i begin filing a bug? in ubuntu bug forum?
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18:34:46 <Ahmuck> anybody home?
18:40:49 <Ahmuck> http://imgur.com/7uyAG
18:41:28 <Ahmuck> does not match up and can not get through the tutorial located here - http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide.pdf - figure 4.1
18:47:55 <Ahmuck> has anyone actually stepped through the tutorial?
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19:32:56 <Ahmuck> have a bug i think, need confirmation
19:48:58 <Ahmuck> filed it as a bug, critical. it appears split transaction function is broken in gnucash, at least if I were following the directions. I would like to use the program but fear getting tied up in a progam that does not appear to function correctly. I have tried 8 times now to get the documentation to work and get the same result.
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19:56:41 <warlord> Ahmuck: what version of gnucash are you using?
19:57:01 <Ahmuck> 2.4.11
19:57:54 <warlord> Ahmuck: from the picture -- you're putting the tax withholdings on the wrong side.
19:59:32 <warlord> I'll note that what you're entering does NOT match what is in the documentation.
20:00:05 <warlord> So what do you perceive to be the bug?
20:02:05 <Ahmuck> have you had a chance to view the image?
20:02:55 <Ahmuck> when i enter 180.00 into the tot increase for federal and continue, it switches over to tot decrease and changes to 490
20:02:59 <Ahmuck> it's odd behavior
20:03:29 <Ahmuck> either the instructions are not clear enough for me, i am doing something really wrong, or the program is malfunctioning according to the documentation
20:04:05 <warlord> I think you're doing something wrong.
20:04:12 <Ahmuck> i really need splits. i buy personal household goods and educational supplies sometimes in the same reciept (bad accounting). spliting them allows me to take the educational supplies of as a tax writeoff
20:04:37 <warlord> Splits work just fine. I use them all the time.
20:04:39 <Ahmuck> i'll pull the bug if i can find out what i am doing wrong. i can step through it again
20:04:40 <warlord> I think this is user error.
20:05:04 <warlord> The fact that you have a split to Imbalance-USD implies you're doing it wrong.
20:05:18 <Ahmuck> k, enter in Employees R Us, and tab
20:05:35 <Ahmuck> k, nm, i'll start over
20:06:02 <Ahmuck> hit split button before entering transaction
20:06:19 <Ahmuck> enter Employees
20:06:33 <warlord> No, don't do that.. It works better (IMHO) if you start by entering a transaction normally, including putting something in the transfer column and debit/credit column before you hit "split"
20:06:41 <Ahmuck> tab, then i get the split memo
20:07:03 <Ahmuck> k, i'll try that way
20:07:45 <Ahmuck> Income: Salary
20:07:57 <Ahmuck> then enter "Increase" amount ?
20:09:06 <warlord> Gnucash keeps a running total of the 'outstanding' amount .. this is in an attempt to be helpful. HOWEVER, it can get in the way in times like this.
20:09:20 <Ahmuck> enter Federal Tax, change Account to Expenses Taxes:Federal and then enter 180.00 and tab.
20:09:27 <warlord> It gets in the way because if you have a value in both the increase and decrease columns gnucash will "add them together" to compute the line.
20:09:36 <Ahmuck> then it moves the 180 down a line and puts 490 as the decrease
20:09:43 <warlord> So you need to enter the value in the one column and clear the other column to get the right number.
20:09:51 <Ahmuck> ah, yes, this is what is happening.
20:10:02 <warlord> This is not a bug; it is considered a feature.
20:10:27 <warlord> It's a simple way to say "I put in $20 and took out $10" and have GnuCash compute the remainder.
20:10:33 <warlord> ... and put it on the right site.
20:10:34 <warlord> side
20:10:47 <warlord> So your problem is that you're not clearing the other column.
20:10:52 <warlord> Do that.
20:10:53 <Ahmuck> lol, sounds like commercial software support
20:11:25 <Ahmuck> so i need to put the 1000.00 in first and then take out the tax amount to get the net wage
20:11:26 <Ahmuck> ?
20:11:28 <warlord> No
20:11:48 <Ahmuck> am i not following the directions correctly?
20:12:21 <warlord> You just need to clear the other column if you're entering in an exact amount. For example, if there is a "500" in the increase column but you want that row to be 200 decrease, you either need to put 700 decrease, or put in 200 decrease and clear the 500
20:12:26 <warlord> No, you are not.
20:12:43 <warlord> ... because you're not clearing the existing column when entering in the new split line.
20:13:30 <Ahmuck> let me look at the docs again
20:13:41 <Ahmuck> quickly and follow exactly and see where i end up
20:14:28 <warlord> The "exactly" part is where you're screwing yourself, because you're missing the earlier part about the debit and credit columns and how they interact.
20:15:16 <warlord> When you follow the instructions, make sure you always have exactly one column with a number in it before you tab off the line.
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20:21:37 <warlord> Ahmuck: working better this time?
20:23:16 <Ahmuck> firefox crashed. looking up docs now
20:24:37 <warlord> k
20:26:04 <Ahmuck> same result
20:26:09 <Ahmuck> here is where it gets confusing
20:26:35 <Ahmuck> To enter the splits, first choose the account, then enter the amount by which to change the account. Then click the next split line and repeat the process.
20:27:22 <Ahmuck> after entering "Federal" there is no new next split line. this requires i tab and once i tab the 180.00 moves to 490.00 in the next column
20:28:12 <warlord> Can you show me a picture of your register showing the "Federal" line before you tab off the line?
20:28:41 <warlord> I think you are being confused by the debit and credit columns.
20:28:50 <Ahmuck> sure
20:29:08 <Ahmuck> isn't it common to tab through the line. is this not something i should be doing?
20:29:17 <Ahmuck> do i have to use the mouse to get through the next line?
20:30:31 <warlord> no, you should be tabbing through. HOWEVER, are you clearing out any pre-existing entries?
20:31:04 <warlord> You say "the 180 moves to 490 in the next column" --- I'm trying to understand what you're seeing to help explain what's going on better.
20:31:16 <warlord> My guess is that you have an entry in both the "increase" and "decrease" columns.
20:31:36 <warlord> ... so gnucash is doing what you're telling it to do and subtracting them, and then moving the remainder to the next line.
20:31:42 <Ahmuck> i don't, it's switching from one column to the other
20:31:44 <warlord> ... which is why I want to see a picture before you tab off.
20:31:52 <Ahmuck> i am going to screen record what I am doing
20:31:56 <warlord> Please do.
20:31:57 <Ahmuck> and then post somewhere so you can see
20:32:21 <warlord> ok.
20:36:38 <Ahmuck> k, ur right, when i post 180 in the left column there is 670 in the right, however gnucash is putting it there when i tab for a new line
20:37:52 <warlord> Correct, it is trying to be helpful by keeping a running balance..
20:37:57 <warlord> In some cases it's what you want.
20:38:00 <warlord> IN *this* case it is not.
20:38:12 <warlord> but gnucash doesn't know a priori when it's the right case and when it's not.
20:38:25 <warlord> So it does it to be helpful -- just clear out the '670' and you'll be fine.
20:41:35 <Ahmuck> http://imgur.com/RLyAp,CSON4,sgbEB
20:42:19 <Ahmuck> heh, ur right
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20:42:24 <Ahmuck> that's a bug not a feature
20:43:31 <Ahmuck> is there a way to prevent running totals for splits?
20:43:48 <Ahmuck> or to prevent entries in both columns. on would never have entries in both colums, correct?
20:44:23 <warlord> No, there are times when you have both a debit and a credit. I already provided an example earlier.
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20:45:07 <warlord> And no, no way to turn it off AFAIK.
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20:47:28 <Ahmuck> To enter the splits, first choose the account, then enter the amount by which to change the account. Then click the next split line and repeat the process. ... should read ... To enter the splits, first choose the account, then enter the amount by which to change the account. Clear the running total in "the decrease column", then click the next split line and repeat the process.
20:48:31 <Ahmuck> would you have debit and credit in split transactions?
20:48:40 <Ahmuck> ya, i guess you could
20:48:53 <Ahmuck> for debit, refund transactions in business
20:50:12 <Ahmuck> i noticed that when i just entered it again it auto-populated. this is going to be trouble when entering different reciepts. is there a way to specify which entries to auto-populate and if not to turn autopopulate off?
20:51:16 <warlord> sorry, awak for a bit
20:51:20 <warlord> bbl
20:51:56 <Ahmuck> k, i may be gone
20:51:59 <Ahmuck> thx 4 the help
20:52:04 <Ahmuck> u can delete my bug
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