2012-11-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:29:29 <daniel_> Hi. I'm having problems setting up a home mortgage loan with monthly payments using 2 currencies and trading accounts. I can't find a way to enter the splits for the monthly principal, interest and insurance.
10:31:24 <warlord> how do you have two currencies in this txn?
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10:32:29 <daniel_> Thanks. The loan is in CLF. I pay monthly in CLP.
10:33:03 <warlord> but the loan, principal, and interest are all CLF?
10:33:20 <daniel_> yes
10:33:24 <warlord> Where does the CLP->CLF translation happen?
10:35:21 <daniel_> that's is what i'm trying to figure out
10:36:24 <daniel_> i have assets:bank CLP; Loan:house CLF; Expenses:house interest CLF; expenses; house insurance CLF
10:36:49 <warlord> How does it work in real life?
10:38:44 <daniel_> As example, in october I paid CLP 414261
10:39:09 <warlord> Well, for one thing you wont be able to do this as an SX
10:39:18 <daniel_> 18.3217 in CLF including principal, interest, and insurance
10:39:28 <warlord> I would recommend an intermediary CLF account
10:39:31 <daniel_> but i cant find a way to enter the splits
10:40:07 <daniel_> ok, but what kind of account should i use for that?
10:40:13 <warlord> asset
10:41:34 <warlord> maybe asset:bank-clf .. but it would always be 0. It would let you transfer 414261CLP -> 18.3217CLF and then use the 18.3217CLF to pay the principal and interest
10:41:34 <daniel_> i'm gonna try
10:43:10 <daniel_> Thank you. so, for the record, it's not possible to use multiple currencies and splits simultaneously?
10:43:18 <warlord> oh, it is.
10:43:21 <warlord> it's just hard.
10:43:31 <warlord> it all depends on the currency of the register you have open
10:43:47 <daniel_> open or active, i have both opened
10:43:50 <warlord> it might be easiest to enter it from a CLF
10:44:12 <warlord> It partly depends on the register in which the transaction was created.
10:44:23 <warlord> ... because that sets the Transaction Common Currency.
10:44:46 <warlord> You probably want the txn in CLF, not CLP. Which means you need to create it from a CLF register.
10:45:21 <daniel_> i can't enter in CLF. If i enter 18.3217 it zeroes the decimals and when i press enter, it's becomes 18.000
10:45:34 <daniel_> i don't understand why
10:45:43 <warlord> that's probably because the txn was created from a CLP register.
10:45:50 <warlord> Open CLF and create a new transaction and try again
10:46:08 <daniel_> i have tried with new transactions in the future and keeps zeroing decimals
10:48:11 <warlord> again, try creating a new transaction in a CLF Register
10:50:27 <daniel_> does the transaction name matters?
10:50:38 <warlord> nope
10:51:25 <daniel_> i think it is. if i create a transaction with random name, it works.
10:52:18 <warlord> Oh, it's possible that if you re-use the existing name it might autofill from the previous one.
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10:52:36 <warlord> (including copying the old common-currency setting)
10:52:57 <daniel_> but if i enter the name i use every month then autofill may be copying the transaction common currency?
10:53:24 <warlord> it will use the most recent one
10:53:57 <daniel_> should i use a diferent name every month for the transaction?
10:54:07 <warlord> shouldn't need to
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10:54:21 <warlord> create it correctly.
10:54:26 <warlord> Then adjust the description
10:54:32 <warlord> then you can reuse the description
10:57:17 <warlord> quickfill will use the last (by post date) txn
10:58:55 <daniel_> thank you very much. I will try using both method (splits and intermediary account).
10:59:37 <warlord> You still need splits for the payment. It's just a question of single or multiple currencies
11:00:19 <daniel_> but if i use intermediary account then i don't need splits i think.
11:00:35 <warlord> no, you still do
11:00:49 <warlord> BankCLP -> BankCLF
11:01:14 <warlord> And then BankCLF -> Principle ; Interest
11:01:18 <warlord> The latter is a split txn
11:01:35 <daniel_> and single txn for each principal, interest and insurance?
11:02:04 <warlord> No, a single split transaction for P/I/I
11:03:36 <warlord> trust me, you want that as one txn
11:04:45 <daniel_> i trust you.
11:07:16 <daniel_> thank you.
11:07:42 <daniel_> i learn new things today
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14:50:55 <Shinobi> If I want to track Business Expenses and Tolls, should I put tolls as a subcategory or Bus Exp or vice vera. I have other subcategories under both headings. Is there a rule of thumb for this sort of situation?
14:54:45 <Shinobi> Sorry, botched that last question. Should read: should I put tolls as a subcategory UNDER Business Expense or vice versa.
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15:11:15 <warlord> Shinobi: it depends on which is more important, would you rather be able to easily see the total of business expenses, or the totals of e.g. tolls.
15:12:59 <Shinobi> warlord: ok. thx
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