2012-11-04 GnuCash IRC logs

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08:06:31 <warlord> @op
08:06:31 <gncbot> warlord: Error: You don't have the #gnucash,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
08:06:41 <warlord> @op
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08:21:48 <gjanssens> warlord: good morning
08:22:10 <warlord> Hi
08:22:45 <gjanssens> I noticed the gnucash-docs makefiles have rules to generate mobi files
08:23:03 <gjanssens> But these file aren't generated on code.gnucash.org
08:23:13 <gjanssens> I wonder if we can change this
08:24:56 <gjanssens> Mobi requires calibre to be installed on the build system
08:25:25 <gjanssens> This package is available in the Fedora repositories
08:25:38 <gjanssens> But it may require a desktop environment, I'm not sure
08:26:37 <warlord> I dont recall.
08:26:48 <warlord> Also, the docs builds have been failing to make some symlinks..
08:27:20 <gjanssens> Oh ? Can you post some details ?
08:27:25 <warlord> 1 sec.
08:27:30 <warlord> pulling up the email..
08:27:36 <warlord> /etc/cron.daily/make-gnucash-docs.sh:
08:27:36 <warlord> ln: failed to create symbolic link
08:27:36 <warlord> `/home/gnucash/www/help/C/gnucash-help/index.html': No such file or directory
08:27:36 <warlord> ln: failed to create symbolic link
08:27:36 <warlord> `/home/gnucash/www/help/de_DE/gnucash-help/index.html': No such file or directory
08:27:37 <warlord> ln: failed to create symbolic link
08:27:38 <warlord> `/home/gnucash/www/help/it_IT/gnucash-help/index.html': No such file or directory
08:28:21 <gjanssens> Ah, yes
08:28:55 <gjanssens> The modified build script is still looking in the wrong location when it attempts to create the links
08:29:18 <gjanssens> One minute, I'll send you a fixed version
08:32:24 <gjanssens> Done
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08:35:06 <warlord> thx. I'll put it into place today.
08:35:54 <gjanssens> The links are a convience only btw. The docs site itself doesn't use them
08:36:15 <gjanssens> But if someone opens the directory directly, there's an index file
08:36:46 <gjanssens> calibre seems to require Qt, so yes a gui
08:37:02 <warlord> Right, it was there for someone who got there via http://code.gnucash.org/docs/
08:37:07 <gjanssens> Is that available on code.gnucash.org ?
08:37:37 <warlord> It may not be installed currently.
08:37:38 <warlord> let me check
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08:40:25 <warlord> actually, yes, qt was installed, but installing calibre would update qt ..
08:40:29 <warlord> I can pull it in if you want.
08:40:47 <warlord> Wait, it pulled in Django?!?
08:40:48 <warlord> pulls
08:41:27 <gjanssens> I see that also in the requirements. No idea why though
08:42:06 <gjanssens> the docs build only uses the subcommand ebook-convert which gets installed with calibre
08:42:27 <gjanssens> That seems to use some common calibre library.
08:42:37 <warlord> Too bad it's not broken out.
08:42:47 <gjanssens> Totally agreed.
08:42:51 <warlord> I suspect that's why I didn't install it before.
08:43:08 <gjanssens> I remember having seen that request somewhere on the calibre forum, but it was never actually done
08:43:32 <gjanssens> Do you consider django a security risk ?
08:44:24 <warlord> if it hooks into httpd (which I think it does) then yes.
08:45:17 <warlord> I'm sure I could disable it post-install, but then I need to remember to recheck it any time I update.
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08:47:06 <gjanssens> Actually, I don't see it hooking into httpd on my system
08:47:45 <gjanssens> Django doesn't install anything in /etc/httpd here (Fedora 16)
08:48:01 <warlord> hmm.
08:48:04 <gjanssens> A lot into /usr/python2.7 yes
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08:50:03 <warlord> sure..
08:50:12 <warlord> it's a Python framework
08:51:33 <gjanssens> How would a website use this then ? I suppose the webserver has to have python support enabled ?
08:51:50 <warlord> Yes..
08:52:10 <warlord> maybe there is another Django http integration package somewhere.
08:53:01 <gjanssens> The webserver on the system I have calibre installed on, doesn't have any python support enabled
08:53:10 <gjanssens> So it's certainly not required for calibre
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08:53:23 <gjanssens> Does code.gnucash.org have python support enabled ?
08:55:20 <warlord> Yes, for Trac
09:01:15 <gjanssens> Right. So if I understand it properly, for trac you have configured the webserver to allow python scripts to run
09:01:52 <gjanssens> So if someone can exploit the trac code, they can in principle start using django stuff via a custom python script ?
09:03:38 <gjanssens> Or is the trac code restricted in its python access ?
09:04:11 <warlord> theoretically. if someone could insert a python script into the trac subdir then they could pull in the django code.
09:04:20 <warlord> It's probably a minimal risk
09:05:27 <gjanssens> Yes
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09:11:49 <gjanssens> Are you using mod_wsgi for trac ?
09:12:24 <gjanssens> In that case, django will not readily be available to anyone as I see it
09:12:41 <gjanssens> You have to explicitly define a django app before it can be used
09:12:49 <gjanssens> So the ris is indeed limited.
09:13:57 <warlord> No, but it's limited to /trac
09:14:05 <gjanssens> At least that's how I understand it from the django installation pages
09:14:09 <warlord> and /home/svn/trac
09:14:56 <gjanssens> Anyway, I got to go for a while, will be back in an hour or so for some more discussion (if you're still around then)
09:17:01 <warlord> I probably wont be.. have tons to do today, and IETF starts.
09:17:12 <warlord> But I'll install calibre
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11:54:44 <gjanssens> warlord: to build .mobi files we need calibre installed and an updated build script
11:54:57 <gjanssens> I have just sent it to you via regular email
11:55:18 <gjanssens> If you manage to install calibre today, can you then also install the latest script ?
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11:58:33 <gjanssens> And the other thing I wanted to ask you about:
11:59:07 <gjanssens> Someone volunteered to moderate a gnucash-nl mailing list
11:59:40 <gjanssens> Nice idea IMO, but what do I tell this person ?
12:00:01 <gjanssens> To contact you directly to set this up ? Or will you contact him ?
12:00:15 <gjanssens> The mail appeared on the gnucash-user list
12:00:38 <gjanssens> I know you're busy, so you may not have time to configure this right now
12:01:10 <gjanssens> But I'd just like to reply to the guy so he knows we didn't forget about it
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13:11:09 <warlord> gjanssens: yes..
13:11:49 <warlord> gjanssens: Feel free to contact him and thank him for volunteering. I'll contact him when I set up the list and assign a moderation password for him.
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13:23:57 <warlord> gjanssens: FYI, script installed
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14:43:24 <gjanssens> warlord: tx
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15:48:22 <heyzeuss> Hello GnuCash
15:50:31 <gjanssens> hi heyzeuss
15:51:13 <heyzeuss> Since I live in Finland, and GnuCash isn't translated into Finnish yet, what locale should I use?
15:54:27 <gjanssens> How do you mean ?
15:56:00 <heyzeuss> I want the local currency to be EUR, and I'm a little worried that I will run into trouble with the time zone. My client is doing business in two hemispheres.
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16:13:02 <heyzeuss> I changed the local to LANG=nl_BE
16:13:13 <heyzeuss> I mean, fi-FI
16:13:19 <heyzeuss> fi_FI
16:15:58 <gjanssens> And what is your intention ? What do you want to achieve ?
16:17:06 <heyzeuss> Now the program interface is in Finnish, but it still says that the local currency is USD. I was hoping that it would change to EUR.
16:17:59 <gjanssens> Sorry, I just read your full reply just now.
16:18:03 <gjanssens> What is your OS ?
16:18:15 <heyzeuss> Windows
16:19:08 <heyzeuss> The printed invoice is half English and half Finnish. Can I just change the .css?
16:19:22 <gjanssens> I think GnuCash gets his default currency from the OS.
16:19:36 <gjanssens> But you should be able to override this in the preferences.
16:20:02 <gjanssens> There are several places where you may have to set this (default for accounts and report defaults)
16:20:09 <gjanssens> I believe
16:20:39 <heyzeuss> I did find some of those places.
16:20:44 <gjanssens> If the invoice is partly in English that probably means the Finnish translation is incomplete.
16:21:00 <gjanssens> This is not something you can fix via .css
16:21:31 <heyzeuss> The program interface is half-Finnish, too. At least there is some progress. :)
16:21:39 <gjanssens> Ideally this can be solved long term is someone improves the translation.
16:25:09 <gjanssens> According to the relevant po file the last translator for the Finnish language is Tuomo Kohvakka <tuomo.kohvakka@iki.fi>
16:25:48 <gjanssens> You may contact him to ask if he has any intention to update the translation.
16:25:58 <gjanssens> Otherwise, we'll need a new volunteer :)
16:26:41 <gjanssens> His last update is from Februari 2011
16:27:08 <heyzeuss> That was really nice of him to do that. I might contact him.
16:29:27 <heyzeuss> Lemme see if I can translate the invoice, at least. Isn't that just a scheme file?
16:30:46 <heyzeuss> Shoot. Doesn't look that easy.
16:35:34 <heyzeuss> I can translate some words in the .scm file, but I'm afraid that I will break some references.
16:39:30 <heyzeuss> Yep, I broke it. The whole invoice is blank now!
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16:47:03 <gjanssens> Perhaps you can better go for the Finnish .po file (fi.po) and translate the relevant strings in there
16:47:57 <gjanssens> If that works, you will do all other Finnish GnuCash users a favour by sending that po file for inclusion to the list
16:48:29 <gjanssens> And without you knowing it, you would have submitted your first contribution :)
16:51:29 <heyzeuss> I'll try that. :)
16:52:51 <heyzeuss> That file doesn't show up in my Windows installation.
16:56:15 <gjanssens> Ah, yes, right. It is only added in a compiled format.
16:56:31 <heyzeuss> Is it in the source code? I've never done anything like that!
16:56:50 <gjanssens> That makes it slightly more involved, but not really complicated.
16:58:22 <gjanssens> There is a very elaborate explanation here: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation
16:58:24 <heyzeuss> Maybe I need to add Linux to my hard drive. It is Finnish, after all.
16:59:07 <gjanssens> :)
16:59:16 <heyzeuss> Sort of. Linus Torvalds is a Swedish speaking Finn.
16:59:21 <gjanssens> But for what you want to do now, you can probably take some shortcuts
16:59:47 <gjanssens> You can start by downloading the fi.po file from the source repository
17:00:33 <gjanssens> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/branches/2.4/po/fi.po
17:00:51 <gjanssens> It's simply a file with a lot of strings in it
17:00:56 <heyzeuss> thx
17:01:17 <gjanssens> They are always two paired: one in English, the next is the Finnish translation (if available)
17:01:41 <gjanssens> Just take care to always match beginning and end quotes.
17:02:21 <gjanssens> If in doubt, you can look at the other translations and translation files for examples
17:02:47 <gjanssens> Next, you won't be able to use the source file in this way,
17:03:11 <gjanssens> but if you send your improved .po file to the list, a developer will add it to the source for you
17:03:46 <gjanssens> And every week the latest stable sources are rebuilt automatically into a Windows installer package
17:04:24 <gjanssens> You can download these here:
17:04:25 <gjanssens> http://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/2.4/
17:04:48 <gjanssens> So after at most a week, you have a stable GnuCash available with your own improved translations
17:06:46 <heyzeuss> I've got it open. Looks like it has been translated for specific tasks, only. That gives me something to work with. :)
17:14:14 <gjanssens> Ok, good luck. I have to leave now
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