2012-10-16 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:28:54 <DimStar> warlord: just FYI about the issue discussed yesterday: the same problem can be reproduced in kMoneyManager... thus clearly pointing at the underlying, common library
09:29:13 <warlord> Good to know
09:31:16 <DimStar> similar crash (very similar I think) has been reported in this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238735
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09:42:06 <raleightile> New feature in the testing version of GnuCash takes a line from the invoice or bill and writes it in the memo field for invoice/bill when posting, I don't know the name of this feature, so I'm describing it..
09:44:54 <raleightile> I have two computers that I suppose are identical, the feature works on one but not the other, because both appear to be exactly the same the only difference I can think of is a dependency, and because it is built from source I can't guarantee that the same packages are installed. Any ideas?
09:47:06 <raleightile> Linux 3.5.0-sabayon and svn r22352
09:52:52 <warlord> raleightile: Are you accumulating splits in one case and not in the other?
10:05:52 <raleightile> hmm...
10:06:20 <raleightile> possibly, that is a setting in the .gnucash dir, right?
10:08:58 <raleightile> wow, genius
10:09:03 <raleightile> that was it
10:09:11 <warlord> No, it's a setting on the POST page.
10:11:00 <raleightile> >>Edit>>Preferences>>Business and uncheck "Accumulate splits on post"
10:11:55 <warlord> I dont use trunk. In 2.[0,2,4].x it's a checkbox on the POST dialog.
10:12:22 <raleightile> Ok, so preferences sets the default, but the actual button check box is like you said, on the post box
10:12:50 <raleightile> any down side to not accumulating the splits?
10:13:25 <raleightile> the descriptions are very helpful, I wish they would work even when "accumulated"
10:18:52 <warlord> they can't... how would gnucash know which one to use?
10:19:50 <warlord> let's say you have 5 line-items that all go to Income:Sales. Accumulate means in the created-transaction only 1 split would go into I:S.. so how do you know which description to use in the posted memo?
10:23:51 <raleightile> I don't know that was my next question, how does it decide? It's not the first line, although it is sometimes, it's not the newest line, although it is sometimes, it's not the biggest line, although it is sometimes..
10:24:40 <raleightile> I wish it was either the first line or the largest line, with a check box to select which you would rather..
10:26:41 <warlord> When you do not accumulate splits it's a 1:1 mapping.
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11:56:43 <raleightile> In the "Vendor Report" there is a column labelled "Description", it contains one of the lines from the invoice, but it only shows one line per invoice
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11:59:04 <warlord> That line comes from the "memo" you input when you post the invoice.
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12:05:20 <raleightile> ok, so what i'm seeing is the memo is filled in with one of the lines from the bill
12:05:44 <raleightile> sometimes it will do it on the invoices for customers, but mostly not
12:06:11 <raleightile> when accumulate splits is off it does it every time for the Vendor Bill/Invoice
12:08:16 <raleightile> so my initial problem is solved, turning off the accumulate splits made the feature predictable across multiple computers, but now I'm intrigued with this feature, I wonder who is working on it, and the logic that goes into which line is selected, I would like to help it make the "right" decisions..
12:08:27 <raleightile> brb, have to log out
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12:36:07 <EsdiDude> 'evening people
12:37:42 <EsdiDude> In my accounting setup, I just created several child accounts underneath an AP account. Imagine something like:
12:37:58 <EsdiDude> (AP) Tax to pay
12:38:13 <EsdiDude> (AP) Q1 2012
12:38:28 <EsdiDude> (AP) Q2 2012
12:38:31 <EsdiDude> (AP) Q3 2012
12:39:02 <warlord> EsdiDude: multiple AP accounts will cause you difficulties with the biz functions.
12:39:14 <EsdiDude> etc. Now if I transfer funds from Tax to pay to Q1 2012, my totals or sum column in the account overview will still show the summarized amount
12:39:22 <EsdiDude> even though the top one, is _not_ set to summarize
12:39:46 <EsdiDude> warlord: I tried foreign cash as well, same thing
12:39:48 <warlord> It will always Sum if collapsed.
12:41:22 <EsdiDude> warlord: well, in my case it's not collapsed, it's expanded, but worse, if I have e.g. 500 on the Tax to pay account and I transfer 500 to the Q1 account, my Tax to pay account sum/total column will still show 500 in the account overview, as well as the Q1 one
12:41:43 <EsdiDude> Naturally if I open up the account, it shows me that it's 0.
12:41:52 <warlord> That's correct. Because you still have 500 to pay.
12:42:09 <EsdiDude> warlord: aye!, but on the Q1 one, not on the top one
12:42:25 <warlord> If you moved that 500 as 250 in Q1 and 250 in Q2, the sum would *still* be 500. That's exactly as it should be
12:42:36 <warlord> The top is always a sum of everything below.
12:42:44 <EsdiDude> or, more abstract, the balance of Q1 is balance, the balance of Tax to pay is 0.
12:43:48 <warlord> This is the problem when you have a parent account that also has transactions. The CoA does not differentiate between "the balance of *this* account" and "the sum of balances of this account subtree"
12:44:09 <warlord> (this is why we have placeholder accounts, to prevent you from putting in transactions)
12:45:46 <EsdiDude> warlord: hmmm.. so you're saying it's all ok - I just need to interprent it differently?
12:46:00 <warlord> yep. gnucash is doing exactly what it is supposed to do
12:46:11 <EsdiDude> ugh
12:46:47 <EsdiDude> I hold it when someone tells me that Im holding the wrong end of the accounting stick again
12:46:52 <EsdiDude> *hate
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12:47:14 <warlord> What exactly are you trying to do? What information are you trying to see?
12:49:06 <EsdiDude> Most of my invoices are pointing to a single account where the 'to paid VAT' is accrued
12:49:25 <warlord> Okay...
12:49:53 <EsdiDude> now in order to get a better view of what was paid in the different quarters I figured i'd split it up so i'd always see the running amount vs the quarterly amount
12:50:10 <warlord> okay
12:50:11 <EsdiDude> with the idea that the quarterly amounts go to zero once paid
12:50:36 <warlord> okay..
12:51:02 <EsdiDude> now, I cannot adjust the postings created by the salesdocument. So I figured I would transfer them interanlly from top to Q1
12:51:54 <EsdiDude> Which looked like it didnt reduce the account properly because the overview was still showing it
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12:52:48 <warlord> If you open the register it will show you the actual balance.
12:52:58 <warlord> the CoA will show you the total due
12:53:49 <EsdiDude> warlord: aye, it does
12:54:01 <EsdiDude> which is horribly confusing for a poor soul like me :P
12:55:41 <warlord> Sorry; it's working as designed. Think about it from a Bank PoV. It will show you at a glance how much you have invested at a Bank by combining all the accounts, Checking, Savings, CDs, etc.
12:58:50 * EsdiDude actually bought the Gnucash basic accounting book today
12:59:23 <EsdiDude> a bit late, but it has some nice chapters in there.
13:00:21 <warlord> :)
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18:30:31 <mes> warlord, I added all the xmlns:gnc="http://www.gnucash.org/XML/gnc" entries to the <gnc-v2> tag and that seems to solve the problem opening the old file with the "null" version string, (I added the 2.2.0 as well)
18:32:47 <warlord> mes: good to know! Can you add that to the bug report?
18:36:01 <mes> yes, it might take a few days. I need to decide how to provide enough info to be usefull without posting all my accounting data ;)
18:37:59 <mes> this is the test that fails: if ((strncmp(cursor + 1, gnc_v2_xml_version_string, n) == 0) or this && isspace(*(cursor + 1 + n)))
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18:47:30 <warlord> That's useful, too :)
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