2012-10-12 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:28:39 <spm_Draget> I imported the transactions from my bank of the last months. Everything fine so far. Multiple times I withdrew cash which added alot of funds to my cash-account. But ofcourse I spent most of it - and lets assume now where I start even tracking my cash movements, I have 0$ in my wallet. To get to 0$ on the 12th oct. I need to do one huge negative transaction ('cash' -> 'imbalance' account or 'cash' -> 'unkown spendings' account).
07:28:39 <spm_Draget> Would this be correct so far?
07:31:04 <spm_Draget> And I roughly know that I always withdrew cash when I had almost nothing in my wallet - so for the heck of not having such a redicules high movement just now, would it be a very bad idea to do the following: Each time I withdrew something in the past, add one of these 'unkonwn spendings' transactions just one day before each withdraw to get my cash account to 0 - so it *somewhat* represents my past cash-movement more realisticly?
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08:52:18 <spm_Draget> Does a 'unkown spendings' account make sense or should I always use the imbalance account for this?
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09:03:40 <fell> spm_Draget: To have some "unknown" accounts should be better, imbalance should show you input errors.
09:04:18 <fell> Or name it "unspecified" - sounds better. ;-)
09:06:26 <spm_Draget> Okay, thanks =)
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10:40:42 <spm_Draget> Does gnuCash internally save a time for transactions? I imported a transaction which was made on the 28th of last month. On the very same day I spent some money, and entered this, too. But that transaction ended up before the one where I withdrew the money - so I used the 'numer' field to add a 1 to the withdraw and a 2 to the spending-transaction. And yet gnucash did not re-sort them, only after manually entenring 28.09.2012 for
10:40:42 <spm_Draget> the imported withtdraw transaction.
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10:42:07 <warlord> spm_Draget: I personally use "Expenses:Miscellaneous"
10:42:56 <spm_Draget> My question is more about how gnucash sorts the transactions. AFAIK it uses the time when it was done, and if two have the same date, it then uses the number.
10:43:02 <warlord> spm_Draget: yes, it does. it keeps a "date/time entered" internally, so txns you post on the same day get ordered by when you input them
10:43:33 <spm_Draget> Hmm, okay.
10:43:48 <warlord> Correct, it uses Post Date, then Number, then EnterDate
10:44:40 <warlord> "EnterDate" is the system date/time when the txn is input into the system.
10:44:48 <spm_Draget> That would not really reflect the bahvior I saw: Two transactions with the same date, the first one assigned number 2, the second one number 1. And yet gnucash did not switch them.
10:45:55 <warlord> Try saving and reloading the data file.
10:46:11 <warlord> (e.g., try to quit gnucash and the restart)
10:46:15 <warlord> ... this *may* be a bug.
10:46:36 <warlord> BUT... what did you put in the number column? Are there any non-numeric characters?
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10:51:17 <spm_Draget> warlord: Nope, just numbers. But as I said, the first transaction (the one that was listed first aside from me assigning number 2) was imported from a file - so I thought this might have internally added some data which caused this. I cannot test the restart now, since I re-entered the date on this transaction and now it behaves like it should.
10:51:24 <spm_Draget> If it happens again, I will try to debug it =)
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10:52:50 <warlord> If you imported first, then the "date entered" would be earlier, so yes, that would show up first.
10:53:54 <spm_Draget> But according to your list, it respects the number first, than the date entered.
10:54:02 <spm_Draget> But oh well, it is a minor thing.
10:55:13 <warlord> True.. But assuming the num field is empty, which is probably was at first
10:56:18 <spm_Draget> But even after I entered a number, it would still show the one with the number 2 before the one with the number 1 :P
10:56:21 <spm_Draget> That was the problem :P
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10:56:29 <spm_Draget> But again, a minor thing.
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11:15:38 <warlord> there may be a bug that sort order doesn't reset. Or it could be you have a non-default sort-order chosen.
11:15:53 <warlord> restarting would see if it's a sort bug.
11:20:49 <spm_Draget> Oh, and incease some dev is listening: It would be nice if the 'save' button would be enabled anyhow whenever anything is changed, eventho auto-saving is enabled. Clicking on a working 'save'-button gives you a more comfortable feeling, even if oyu know autosaving is workign anyways.
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11:36:42 <warlord> spm_Draget: the save button is always enabled when anything has changed. Autosave is exactly the same as clicking on the 'save' button
11:36:59 <warlord> .. which means there are, after the autosave, no outstanding changes.
11:40:11 <spm_Draget> Right now for me the save button is constantly disabled (GC 2.4.11 r22264M)
11:41:03 <warlord> spm_Draget: are you using XML or SQL?
11:41:24 <spm_Draget> sqlite - which goes through the SQL backend I guess.
11:42:03 <warlord> Ah, yes, there *is* no save button at all, because you never have anything to save. Commits get saved immediately.
11:42:16 <spm_Draget> Oh, neat.
11:45:06 <warlord> Note that there may still be bugs in the sql backend where data might not get saved. it's not been as well-tested as XML.
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11:58:16 <spm_Draget> Can I create a hotkey somehow to make a transaction into a splittransaction?
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12:12:06 <warlord> spm_Draget: on some platforms you can set a key sequence for Edit -> Split (I think that's the menu item). Me, I just click on the 'split' toolbar button.
12:12:16 <warlord> sorry, gotta run. back in ~30m
12:12:24 <spm_Draget> No worries. Thanks =)
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12:56:09 <warlord> okay, it was 40m
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12:59:25 <spm_Draget> May I pester oyu with more stupid question, warlord? =)
12:59:36 <warlord> sure
13:02:44 <spm_Draget> I pay our power bill. My roomie gives me half the money. So I split the transaction - half of it goes to my own 'powerbills' account, the other half liability for my roomie. What would be a good transaction-text for these 'parts' of a transaction? Would you suggest calling both parts just after the prupose (both 'power bill'), or calling them both 'portion' or 'part', or 'Portion Me'/'Portion roomie'?
13:03:38 <spm_Draget> Just wondering what a good naming convention would be. Or would I just not give the parts of the transaction any text at all, since the transaction-text does already state the purpose propperly?
13:06:31 <spm_Draget> I guess my question is hard to understand. :P Oh well, as it is just about naming, it is not that important anyways.
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13:10:47 <warlord> I would say Desc: Power Company Name, Credit Checking for the full amount, Debit Expenses:Utilities:Electricity for your portion, and debit Assets:Roomie Owes Me the remainder (their portion)
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