2012-10-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:46:16 <TheGrue> Hi, where can I find Help if my HBCI-Card from "Sparkasse" is working, but the HBCI-Card from "Raiffeisenbank" not?
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13:10:16 <ke6pij> Wow, John, Thank you very much, its so clear now.... except that my mysql server is wide open and the username has full permissions for creating and changing the database. If it were that simple I would not have posted it as a problem. Other apps operating on this server are accessing it fine.
13:11:22 <ke6pij> Y'know don't worry about, John. Obviously gnucash isn't for me. I don't need this that badly.
13:14:50 <john> ke6pij: You don't have to use it with mysql, you know. In fact, we recommend that you don't unless you have a really good reason to.
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13:51:00 <mcgrubso> Hi, I'm trying to view the total withdrawal and deposits in one account in gnucash, divided into months. Does anyone know an easy way to do that?
13:52:28 <mcgrubso> I've found the Income&Expense chart which has an option for showing a table which sounds like what I need, but it seems to hang if I only select one account.
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14:59:37 <fell> TheGrue: follow the links in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/HBCI. Either aqbanking-user or gnucash-de mailinglists should be a good place.
15:00:13 <jmd> fell, Only if you speak German.
15:00:54 <fell> From his IP he should.
15:01:27 <jmd> You can tell the language skills of a person from their IP address?
15:01:46 <fell> For others similar information is in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Aqbanking
15:02:25 <fell> .de = Germany
15:06:42 <jmd> Although there are regulations in Germany requiring immigrants to acquire a certain level of German language skills, they don't apply to citizens of EU countries.
15:07:36 <jmd> Hence a large part of the population only speaks Turkish
15:09:55 <fell> close to the borders we speak local dialects, e.g. in the Ruhrgebiet there are dutch, polish and also a few turk words in the language.
15:11:58 <jmd> Well yes, that's another aspect. Very few Germans can actually speak Hochdeutsch. Most speak Hessisch/Sachsisch/Boarisch/....
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15:16:24 <fell> Hochdeutsch is the written language, but because e.g. I am always wandering between NL, BE and DE, it is much easier to speak "platt", because it is very similar in the whole region.
15:19:54 <mcgrubso> danke =]
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15:22:12 <jmd> Anyway so far as I can make out, there are only a few HCBI features which work. And those only work with certain Banks.
15:29:05 <fell> FinTS defines 130 transaction types, ~2000 banks support parts of them. http://www.die-deutsche-kreditwirtschaft.de/dk/zahlungsverkehr/electronic-banking/fints.html
15:30:21 <jmd> Yeah *parts* of them.
15:31:55 <jmd> And then, they have a layer on top, which aqBanking often does not support, and without which those functions are inaccessible.
15:32:00 <fell> Security standards: HBCI (key disk and different chipcards), TAN, iTAN, mTAN, cTAN ...
15:32:40 <jmd> Particularly Chipcards are problematic. Each bank implements its own protocol.
15:34:00 <fell> yes, a few are open standards and a few have propriety formats, which they will not tell Martin, the author of aqbanking.
15:35:03 <jmd> From what I can make out, the proprietary format ones are by far the majority.
15:36:10 <fell> I prefer to have my own created key in the usb stick at my keyring.
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15:36:17 <jmd> What is most annoying, is that you simply don't know if a bank can be used with aqbanking until you have opened the account, paid for a chipcard, and associated extras, and then found that it cannot be used.
15:37:52 <fell> Some publish the supported formats on their websites or - at smaller banks they ask the IT guy directly.
15:38:46 <jmd> Anyway I wish there was a list of which banks actually are usable with Gnucash/Aqbanking.
15:42:05 <fell> http://www.die-deutsche-kreditwirtschaft.de/uploads/media/ListeFinTS-fahigerI_final.pdf
15:44:05 <jmd> My bank is listed there are Ja Ja, but when I asked on the libaqbanking list how to use the Chipcard, I was informed that it was not possible.
15:46:44 <fell> http://linuxwiki.de/OpenHBCI/GetesteteBanken has more details.
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15:55:25 <jmd> Germany is the only country I know, where if you ask to open a bank account, they will make an appointment for you next month, when you can talk it over with one of their staff.
15:58:29 <fell> Last time at 17:45 I entered their office, 18:00 they officially close and 18:15 I left with my new account.
15:58:36 <Fabzgy> I made banc accounts on my way to lunch at the universities
15:59:41 <fell> Only foreigners are suspicious for them. ;-)
16:00:16 <Fabzgy> guess so
16:00:21 <Fabzgy> damn racists
16:01:25 <TheGrue> Thank you, now I have some places to look.
16:01:51 <TheGrue> I was hoping, this is much easier… mastering gnucash is the simple part, as it seems.
16:03:31 <jmd> fell, Which bank?
16:04:38 <fell> That was SparDa, but with V&R I had similar expirience. I prefer Coops.
16:05:31 <jmd> Sparda was the one where they said I needed an appointment.
16:05:33 <fell> But I use also municipal banks "Sparkasse"
16:06:28 <jmd> VR I didn't need an appointment, but the process took an hour and a half.
16:07:11 <jmd> But then VR is a franchise of lots of little banks, so I suppose it depends on which one you go to.
16:08:03 <fell> Yes they are local banks owned by the clients.
16:08:20 <fell> Genossenschaft
16:09:15 <jmd> So if I own it, I should be able to tell them to fix they're Hbci ?
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16:10:45 <fell> If you bought a "Geschäftsanteil" you can go next spring to the "Jahreshauptversammlung" and claim it.
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16:19:20 <fell> jmd: Your VR bank sold you a RSA card?
16:19:32 <jmd> I think so.
16:19:44 <jmd> How can I tell what kind of card it is?
16:19:50 <fell> Why do you not use RDH?
16:20:03 <jmd> RDH?
16:20:12 <fell> Key disk
16:20:34 <TheGrue> I got a card, too. And I use it because I think a class 3 reader is the safest way of homebanking....
16:20:59 <jmd> fell, I have never heard of that.
16:20:59 <TheGrue> Well, for "Sparkasse". "Raiffeisenbank" doesn't work :(
16:21:53 <jmd> "Sparkasse" and "Raiffeisenbank" are different animals aren't they?
16:22:02 <TheGrue> Yes, they are.
16:22:05 <fell> IIIRC RSA cards are in a propriety format
16:22:20 <TheGrue> How can I tell the exact type of a card?
16:22:32 <TheGrue> pcsc_scan doesn't tell me, does it?
16:23:15 <fell> VR = Volksbank (peoples bank) & Raiffeisenbank (Raiffeisen initiated the first rural coops)
16:23:36 <jmd> TheGrue, In general, no. Although there is a database of the id strings which tells you many of them.
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16:25:10 <TheGrue> I would love to use my class 3 reader for homebanking with the VR, too. If I can't, I'll use RDH and write a friendly letter to my VR's boss :s
16:26:04 <jmd> Where do I find out about this RDH thing?
16:26:31 <jmd> Google tells me it is a Registered Dental Hygenist
16:27:17 <fell> use your aqhbci-tool4
16:27:45 <jmd> ERROR: Command needed.
16:28:00 <fell> rtfm
16:28:15 <TheGrue> jmd: you can see what your bank provides if you enter your BLZ here:
16:28:16 <TheGrue> http://www.hbci-zka.de/institute/institut_select.php
16:29:02 <fell> It should be the same info as the pdf before
16:29:21 <jmd> The string "rdh" does not occur in the aqhbci-tool4 manual.
16:30:51 <TheGrue> jmd: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebanking_Computer_Interface#RSA-Schl.C3.BCsseldiskette
16:31:13 <TheGrue> RDH is mentioned and explained more in depth there
16:31:15 <fell> create user, create key, iniletter and sendkeys IIRC.
16:32:34 <fell> The printed and signed iniletter you give your bank, to verify your key.
16:35:09 <jmd> Interesting. I shall have to look into it.
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16:36:12 <fell> RDH: RSA-DES-Hybridverfahren
16:36:37 <TheGrue> which rdh-? does gnucash support? I found someone who claims gnucash supports only rdh-1
16:37:18 <TheGrue> The "someone" writes in German, so it might not help to post the link.
16:37:41 <fell> Gnucash directly supports nothing. Aqbanking is the component.
16:38:19 <TheGrue> Ah, ok. And aqbanking…?
16:38:20 <fell> Mir kannstes ruhig sagen. ;-)
16:38:24 <TheGrue> :D
16:38:35 <TheGrue> Ich hatte so einen Verdacht :)
16:38:41 <TheGrue> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2012-March/008359.html
16:42:56 <fell> The next mail should show the solution: I assume Johannes used AqFinance to get all recent features of AqBanking.
16:44:40 <fell> while aqbanking and aqfinance are both by aquamaniac, it needs some time to adjust GnuCashs GUI for recent changes.
16:47:25 <TheGrue> Thank's for your help! I'll try to get at least RDH running. Bye!
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17:56:29 <ddfsdf> Hello. How can I remove part of transaction? When I edit one part new one is appearing.
18:03:24 <ddfsdf> Are there anyone?
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