2012-09-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:38:22 * DimStar cries.. another openSUSE release and gnucash fails to work out of the box.. even though all testers confirmed it was fine.
04:52:52 <fell> Dimstar: Do you have a bug report?
04:55:12 <DimStar> fell: yes.. it seems to be a guile packaging bug this time: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=779458
04:55:47 <DimStar> seems libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3-3 can be removed without dep issue (and thus, on the other hand, is not being pulled in automatically when you install gnucash)
05:03:49 <fell> Hm, strange dependencies on 12.1: If I try to unistall it, I get libguile1-devel... requires libguile-srfi-srfi-1...
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05:09:12 <DimStar> on 12.1, yes.. becasue gnucash depended on the -devel package (which is not really correct).
05:09:44 <DimStar> so on 12.2, it was 'changed' to depend on guile1 'only', underr the impression that the guile packager fixed the deps of guile itself... seems that was wrongly confirmed.
05:09:54 <fell> only for development
05:10:26 <DimStar> right.. the -devel package should not be needed to 'run' the software.. that's why this was addressed during 12.2 development cycle..
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05:12:24 <fell> but yes, somehow gnucash would be downgraded, if guile1-devel gets uninstalled.
05:18:35 <DimStar> huh?
05:25:38 <fell> obs://build.opensuse.org/GNOME gnucash 2.4.11-37.2: Benötigt:libguile1-devel
05:36:53 <DimStar> on 12.1 that is?
05:37:48 <fell> yep
05:38:21 <DimStar> that's correct then..
05:38:21 <DimStar> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=gnucash.spec&package=gnucash&project=GNOME%3AApps&rev=b66a20f770f53a7be1459c03824a0cab
05:38:32 <DimStar> line 62 has an exception for < 12.2 :)
05:42:15 <fell> and it didn't work, if you depend directly on the required srfi packages?
05:44:28 <DimStar> fell: it would of course.. but it's inaccurate: not gnucash depends on that package, but guile does..
05:44:43 <DimStar> so I'm trying to get the guile guy to fix his package (rather than workaround the issue)
05:45:15 <ZoranP> Oh the joy of open source... ^_^
05:46:25 <DimStar> haha, true.. in closed you just fix wherever you 'feel' it could work... the approach of fixing guile is to have all soft using guile benefit from it..
05:51:46 <fell> I confess, I don't understand his splitting.
05:55:31 <DimStar> well, some parts are simple packaging policieas (shared libraries in sep. package, so they can be installed in multiple versions)
07:12:04 <warlord> ZoranP: has nothing to do with open source.. this is suse just sucking at packaging
07:12:12 <warlord> (or QA)
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07:17:59 <flipoxp> Hola
07:18:03 <flipoxp> alguien habla español?
07:18:07 <flipoxp> necesito ayuda con un problema
07:18:09 <flipoxp> y el programa
07:18:29 <flipoxp> si quiero eliminar varios asientos seleccionando uno o mas el programa no me permite con control esto es un bug?
07:18:37 <flipoxp> es un gran problema
07:18:44 <flipoxp> me gusta porque se parece mucho al icash
07:18:50 <ZoranP> english por favor
07:19:00 <flipoxp> I am one problem
07:19:09 <flipoxp> with the program..
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07:19:14 <flipoxp> one moment I translate
07:19:44 <flipoxp> Hello
07:19:46 <flipoxp> someone speaks Spanish? 13:18:00
07:19:48 <flipoxp> I need help with a problem 13:18:06
07:19:50 <flipoxp> and program 13:18:09
07:19:52 <flipoxp> if I want to delete multiple entries by selecting one or more program control does not allow me this is a bug? 13:18:29
07:19:54 <flipoxp> is a big problem 13:18:36
07:20:16 <flipoxp> I use control + mouse buton for multiple selecctions but no found..
07:20:35 <flipoxp> I can only remove an entry?
07:21:29 <flipoxp> For example I created rules erroneous programs and generated many operations I certainly could not eliminate erroneous as can be done then?
07:21:33 <warlord> flipoxp: I answered this question yesterday. No, you cannot operate on multiple transactions at once
07:22:02 <warlord> You can, however, use keyboard shortcuts to make your life a little easier.
07:23:00 <warlord> do a "Find Transaction" to select only the txns you want to delete, then select the first one, and hit the DEL button. it may pop up a warning which you should be able to TAB/Enter to click away. Lather, Rinse, Repeat until all gone
07:23:33 <flipoxp> but I can select multiple transactions?
07:24:09 <warlord> No, you cannot
07:24:33 <warlord> You can "FIND" multiple transactions, but you can only select (and therefore delete) one at a time
07:27:32 <flipoxp> this is a big problem because not fixed?
07:28:23 <warlord> It is not considered a bug.
07:28:56 <flipoxp> this program is a lot like iCash iCash but to select freely ..
07:28:58 <flipoxp> I was really enjoying this program but the big problem is going to force me to use iCash .. wine works correctly ..
07:29:00 <flipoxp> but I prefer free software
07:29:52 <warlord> Why is this a problem?
07:30:06 <warlord> Seriously, why would you need to delete lots of transactions over and over?
07:30:41 <flipoxp> well understand that it is not a bug but should be modified as simple is obviously wrong.
07:30:43 <flipoxp> I for example learning to use the program by mistake put erroneous automatic entries and generated many trasanciones I then could not remove tube to create another file and delete .. if for a while if I had lost it all work ..
07:30:53 <warlord> It is not "obviously wrong"
07:31:08 <warlord> If you're just learning the program then start over.
07:31:11 <warlord> File -> New File
07:31:19 <warlord> Or File -> Export Accounts; File -> Open
07:31:25 <warlord> (if you like your current Chart of Accounts)
07:31:45 <flipoxp> In a program of this kind I think is essential to use multiple choice free of controlled operations at least I think it is a limitation ..
07:32:35 <warlord> It's open source -- patches always welcome. But you'll find implementing what you ask is really REALLY hard, expecially for a problem that really doesn't appear often in normal use.
07:33:00 <warlord> I've been using GnuCash for a decade, and I've never had the need to mass-delete (or mass-move) lots of transactions
07:33:04 <flipoxp> if I understand but anyway you can always make a mistake then you can not delete a multiple automatic operation only one by one .. not if you understand me correctly because I am translating with google etc. ..
07:33:17 <flipoxp> It's open source -- patches always welcome. But you'll find implementing what you ask is really REALLY hard, expecially for a problem that really doesn't appear often in normal use.
07:33:19 <flipoxp> I've been using GnuCash for a decade, and I've never had the need to mass-delete (or mass-move) lots of transactions
07:33:21 <flipoxp> sorry
07:33:58 <warlord> I admit, I don't use the importers so I don't mass-create transactions. But in THAT case you can just quit without saving or revert to a backup file
07:36:01 <flipoxp> not as buff as it will get because you never equiboca? or has little movements such operations .. but I would like to schedule automatic and clear many things to do bulk operations not a problem for me .. I would not know actually fix or modify'm new to ubuntu and I'm slowly learning and my programming skills are very weak .. not know how I could change that ..
07:36:49 <flipoxp> as you can ask to be added to a future release?
07:38:46 <flipoxp> I have to go then good response leeo thank you very much for everything ..
07:38:49 <warlord> you can ask, but you'll find there are requests dating back to 2003 which still haven't been implemented. It's not a *bug*, so feature requests are lower priority
07:39:21 <warlord> And as I said, implementing this one is *really hard* in the current register implementation.. for IMHO very little gain.
07:39:34 <flipoxp> later I received no response yesterday the message .. Thanks for your help
07:41:03 <flipoxp> because that sentence because a simple thing I am forced to use iCash with wine ..
07:42:03 <DimStar> warlord: Thanks.. highly appreciate your comment.
07:42:23 <warlord> You're not forced to ...
07:42:24 <warlord> you CHOOSE to
07:42:37 <warlord> DimStar: welcome
07:42:51 <warlord> flipoxp: and I did respond yesterday (although about 2 hours after you asked)
07:43:25 <warlord> flipoxp: you asked yesterday at 11:33 EDT. I responded at 12:26. So about 1 hour later.
07:44:28 <warlord> and as I keep repeating, it's not simple.
07:45:18 <warlord> It may seem simple to YOU, but honestly, it's NOT an oft-used feature. Yes, it's requested periodically, but weighted against usage it's extremely low of the priority list, and none of the developers have run into it and gone to fix it
07:48:45 <homes_> seems a pretty trivial reason to not use gnucash, but each to their own
07:49:21 <warlord> homes_: yeah. If it was "I cannot enter my transactions" then that would be something I'd worry about.
07:49:34 <warlord> but "I entered 20 trnasactions and have to delete them one-by-one"?
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