2012-08-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:51:21 <dude_here> Hi there
10:51:50 <dude_here> Is there a known bug at changing the language at gnucash?
10:52:12 <dude_here> I have tried to edit the environment file but nothing happened.
10:54:27 <warlord> dude_here: No known bugs. How are you changing the environment?
10:55:09 <dude_here> by notepad++ and by changing the nl_BE to tr_TR (I want it Turkish)
10:55:35 <dude_here> I have also tried it french: # LANG=fr_CA # LANGUAGE={LANG}
10:55:47 <dude_here> but it is still English.
10:57:05 <dude_here> I'd like to dig in some documentations about it, but this is the result with the current documentations. I have v2.4.10
10:59:31 <warlord> Are you leaving the '#' in front of the LANG= ??
10:59:56 <warlord> That's a comment character, meaning your change is still a comment and not executed. Remove it, so it reads:
10:59:59 <warlord> LANG=...
11:00:03 <warlord> LANGUAGE={LANG}
11:00:14 <warlord> (yes, that second line needs to be exactly that)
11:00:19 <warlord> Then restart gnucash
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11:01:00 <dude_here> magical advice.
11:02:46 <warlord> working now?
11:05:14 <dude_here> yes
11:05:25 <dude_here> thanks a lot.
11:09:54 <warlord> you're welcome
11:10:08 <warlord> I was pretty sure that that was mentioned in the docs or in the file itself?
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12:11:09 <dude_here> hi guys, I have a question about "payment received" and "post to" account.
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12:11:50 <dude_here> I have just wanted to process a payment. But I have no "Post to" account. So I have received this error message: "You must enter an account name for posting."
12:11:56 <dude_here> what to do now?
12:12:28 <dude_here> any help will be appreciated.
12:22:24 <fell> dude_here: did you read http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/chapter_bus_ar.html ff.?
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12:29:38 <warlord> dude_here: Did you invoice your customer?
12:30:02 <dude_here> I got it, I've just realized there is a "post" button on the toolbar.
12:30:02 <dude_here> thanks
12:35:33 <warlord> dude_here: have you read the Concepts & Tutorial Guide? If not, I suggest you start with that now. It'll walk you through much of this.
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17:17:40 <mike2> Hi guys, I have one question about "purchasing/processing a payment to a bill"
17:19:39 <mike2> how can I open a "liability" account?
17:19:57 <smw_> right click on liability and click "new account"
17:20:33 <mike2> there is no "liability" in my "accounts" dashboard
17:20:46 <mike2> I don't have the category
17:21:46 <smw_> Create a new top level account called "liability"
17:22:31 <smw_> mike2, gnucash calls it ""Liabilities"
17:22:56 <smw_> I would make that a place holder account of type liability under the root
17:23:13 <smw_> then make sub accounts for Accounts Payable (if that is what you are doing)
17:23:38 <smw_> note that accounts payable is an account type like liability is an account type
17:23:44 <smw_> mike2, make sense?
17:24:07 <mike2> yes, that is exactly what I am planning
17:24:08 <smw_> (accounts payable is a sort of subtype of liability)
17:24:57 <mike2> but still I couldn't find the top level account. (Do I need to find the word "liabilities" in the TYPE field?)
17:25:28 <warlord> mike2: How did you create your initial chart of accounts?
17:25:35 <mike2> is there a tutor page which is only creating the Liabilities account?
17:25:51 <warlord> mike2: have you read the GnuCash Tutorial & Concepts Guide?
17:25:54 <mike2> clicked on "New" on the toolbar
17:25:57 <mike2> yep
17:26:09 <smw_> mike2, in "Account Type" is Liability
17:26:13 <warlord> mike2: I highly recommend you start with File -> New File and actually choose a hierarchy.
17:26:15 <mike2> After clicking new, I can select the type and the parent
17:26:19 <warlord> Don't start with no accounts
17:26:36 <smw_> agreed
17:26:53 <mike2> I am currently account with the Hierarchy, but I just couldn't create the Liabilities placeholder.
17:26:55 <warlord> seriously, start with something.
17:27:10 <mike2> I have started with the business accounting template.
17:27:20 <warlord> mike2: I dont believe you, because it comes with a Liabilities account
17:27:32 <mike2> :-)
17:27:52 <warlord> All the templates (except Simple Checking) have a Liabilities account.
17:28:29 <mike2> The possible problem is that I am using this in Turkish
17:28:42 <mike2> and I think "liabilities" is not translated
17:28:46 <mike2> can this be?
17:28:58 <mike2> I don't lie btw
17:29:03 <warlord> THAT could be.. I dont know what Turkish Account Hierachies exist. What's the turkish locale?
17:29:25 <mike2> I have 2.4.10 svn r21973
17:29:42 <mike2> Turkish locale?
17:30:11 <warlord> yes Like US English is en_US
17:30:15 <warlord> What's turkisH?
17:30:28 <warlord> Ah, tr
17:30:51 <mike2> tr_TR
17:31:10 <warlord> Try Borçlar
17:31:41 <mike2> I'd love to try, but I have nowhere Borçlar :)
17:31:55 <warlord> But I'm not sure how this applies to "purchasing/processing a payment to a bill"
17:32:08 <warlord> Try including the "common" accounts
17:32:46 <smw_> warlord, I think he is trying to add a new bill and needs an accounts payable
17:32:58 <warlord> That's possible..
17:33:00 <mike2> I have, equity, assets, expenses, income and I can only create those placeholders.
17:33:37 <mike2> yes.
17:34:05 <mike2> paying was never so hard.
17:34:41 <smw_> lol
17:34:51 <warlord> mike2: You should be able to create a top-level Liabilities account (type Y.Kaynak)
17:35:14 <warlord> and then under that create a Payables account (type Satıcılar)
17:35:36 <warlord> Then you can use the Business -> Vendor -> Process Payment
17:35:49 <warlord> ... assuming you also used Business -> Vendor -> Bill
17:36:40 <warlord> İşletme -> Satıcı -> Yeni _Alış... And Ödeme yap
17:38:10 <mike2> thanks a lot, I was very exciting but there is another error dialog box
17:38:16 <warlord> mike2: You might also want to read the GnuCash wiki about using the Business features, assuming you really want to continue doing so. I'm not sure whether you do or not. It might not be worth it unless you really need Invoices and Bills.
17:38:27 <warlord> ... which says?
17:38:35 <mike2> I have created a top level account for Y.kaynak
17:38:50 <warlord> OKay. Mark it Placeholder.
17:39:34 <mike2> then went into it and created a sub account, then "satıcılar" type account in it but the error says: "please select a valid top account"
17:39:54 <warlord> What do you mean "went into it"?
17:40:37 <warlord> All you need to do is single-click on your Y.kaynak and then click "New"
17:40:51 <mike2> It's OK. I have just tried it again and this time it works.
17:41:14 <mike2> thanks a lot guys, but I still don't know why they have used "Y.Kaynak" instead of Borçlar.
17:41:30 <warlord> You'd have to ask the translator
17:43:18 <warlord> I'm just curious if you really do need to use the business features?
17:43:51 <mike2> some of them, yes. why?
17:44:26 <mike2> they seem to be useful for now
17:44:43 <warlord> Most people usually use the Customer side, not necessarily the Vendor side
17:47:40 <mike2> I was using excel for those stuff... then I tried "waveaccounting.com"
17:47:49 <mike2> but I didn't like it.
17:48:56 <mike2> we need to buy some softwares from time to time, and they are quite expensive. So I have decided to use the vendor side too.
17:49:41 <smw_> mike2, vendor side is used when you wait before paying the bill
17:50:05 <smw_> mike2, it has nothing to do with what you are buying
17:50:29 <smw_> or if you are paying the bill over a long period of time or something
17:51:10 <mike2> how are you doing it, just adding them as expense?
17:52:06 <warlord> mike2: yes, just a direct transaction from BankAccount -> Expenses:Software
17:52:23 <warlord> No reason to use Payables unless you're paying delayed, over time.
17:53:36 <mike2> and there is no "pay" option here right? there is no option to see "outstanding payments" right?
17:54:14 <warlord> I dont understand the question.
17:54:32 <warlord> (isn't it late in Turkey?)
17:54:52 <smw_> mike2, right, that is what we said
17:55:10 <smw_> mike2, it is only for if you have a delay between receiving the bill and paying
17:55:20 <smw_> and feel the need to record it
17:55:30 <mike2> for example there are expenses, but I don't know which I need to pay and which one I have already paid.
17:55:38 <smw_> mike2, you need to use vendor to see outstanding payment
17:56:02 <smw_> mike2, yes, if you want to track outstanding payments, you are doing the right thing
17:56:04 <mike2> (yes it is late here)
17:56:40 <mike2> OK. Thanks for your advices. - one more question: a quick one
17:57:02 <mike2> which account should be the placeholder of account receivables?
17:57:06 <smw_> advice is not countable (and therefore can not be plural)
17:57:23 <smw_> (if you wish, ignore my english grammar lessons)
17:57:28 <warlord> If you are remembering to enter the bill in the first place then why not set up your bank to pay it and enter that instead? ;)
17:58:02 <smw_> mike2, it should not be a place holder
17:58:04 <warlord> I use the top-level Assets as my A/R placeholder
17:58:17 <mike2> did you try to check the dictionary for "advices"?
17:58:24 <warlord> smw_: I think he meant "which should be the parent/placeholder"
17:58:30 <smw_> ah
17:59:03 <mike2> yes, exactly.
17:59:46 <smw_> somewhere in the assets tree as warlord said :-)
17:59:46 <mike2> so which one should be the parent account?
17:59:56 <smw_> mike2, Assets
18:00:49 <mike2> thanks.
18:01:09 <mike2> do you use the Equity part?
18:01:24 <mike2> my idea about the equity was to use it as a personal account and
18:01:29 <smw_> no
18:01:39 <smw_> equity is for opening balances
18:01:45 <mike2> transfer money from check account when needed.
18:02:11 <mike2> but the result at the reports had another logic
18:02:19 <smw_> equity is for opening balances and some people close their books yearly and move all expenses and income to equity
18:02:45 <smw_> warlord, I never understood the idea of closing the book yearly
18:03:07 <smw_> warlord, doesn't it mess with reports? Do people ignore the reports?
18:03:19 <mike2> it is like playing Diablo but this time in nightmare mode.
18:03:44 <smw_> mike2, as a general rule, don't use equity
18:04:00 <mike2> Thanks.
18:05:26 <smw_> warlord, I think closing the book resets expenses, income, and profits. But it does so at the expense of making reports that cross the year boundary weird.
18:08:41 <warlord> the important reports know to ignore the closing transactions
18:09:18 <smw_> oh, cool
18:09:23 <smw_> how do they identify them?
18:09:27 <warlord> mike2: The Equity accounts are there for two reasons: 1) to setup your initial Assets and Liabilities at the start of your accounting, and 2) they can be used for Owner's Equity if you don't want to use Liabilities foe that.
18:09:37 <warlord> smw: by the description label.
18:10:11 <warlord> mike2: so generally you only use equity to setup your accounts, and then you never touch them again.
18:10:12 <smw_> ok
18:10:21 <warlord> To compute your current instantaneous equity you run a Balance Sheet report.
18:10:28 <warlord> ( Bilanço )
18:10:37 <smw_> warlord, also, after a lot of searching, I think my best bet is to try and copy the people who made the current python module
18:10:37 <mike2> : )
18:10:51 <smw_> warlord, wrap gnucash_core_c swig bindings
18:11:33 <warlord> smw_: okay, good luck
18:11:33 <smw_> warlord, I did a lot of investigating of other alternatives
18:11:48 <smw_> warlord, thanks, I will need it. This task is way beyond me :-)
18:12:58 <warlord> you can try contacting the original designers of that interface
18:13:06 <warlord> Or just live with C-like python
18:13:41 <smw_> no, I am saying I want to rewrite their interface from scratch
18:13:52 <smw_> I looked at the code and it sent chills down my spine :-P
18:14:13 <warlord> Oh. Wow.
18:14:54 <warlord> That's a lot of work.
18:15:16 <smw_> warlord, not really... the binding they have so far is not too large
18:15:17 <warlord> At that point might as well give up on python and jump straight to Ruby!
18:15:25 <smw_> lol
18:15:47 <smw_> warlord, no, I want to use the swig bindings, but ignore the "pythonic" wrapper
18:15:49 <warlord> mike2: any more questions? I just had dinner comany arrive.
18:15:58 <smw_> warlord, so I can make my own pythonic wrapper that works :-P
18:16:08 <warlord> LOL. Okay. Good luck with that.
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18:30:19 <mike2> have a nice day, and thanks for your help.
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