2012-07-14 GnuCash IRC logs
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19:13:29 <Ejdesgaard> Hi, Is it possible to install gnucash on a server and lets say, 3 clients then have the clients connect up to the server ?
19:16:55 <Antisoche> Ejdesgaard: I'm pretty sure the answer to that is no. Gnucash is for personal finances only.
19:18:39 <Ejdesgaard> Antisoche, okay, that's a shame... I'm starting a small business, we are 3 co-owners and are looking for an accounting solution to use
19:19:09 <Ejdesgaard> and it seems to do all the stuff that we need, except what I just asked here
19:19:35 <john> member:identifier:ejdesgaard: Depends on what you mean. If the clients are running X11, then yes, they would be able to connect and display over the network. Remember, though, that you can have only one user in a particular database at a time.
19:20:31 <Antisoche> Ejdesgaard: There is a mysql backend ... I've never used it but if you're _really_ careful you might be able to get away with that. Such as setting a policy of only one writer, but even then your readers are going to get out of sync because I think the Gnucash model is to read everything into memory, just like the XML file.
19:20:37 <Ejdesgaard> I have a debian-6 hosted server and we have a linux, osx and windows client
19:21:54 <Ejdesgaard> Antisoche, a workaround for that could be to limit connections to one via iptables... even tho that would be an ugly workaround
19:22:43 <john> OK. Linux & OSX, no problem. Win32, you'll need to get an X11 server (yeah, that's confusing: the X11 server runs on the box with the display).
19:22:55 <Antisoche> Ejdesgaard: Pretty sure that's a bad idea. If it reads everything at once and then writes everything at once, the connection can go away in between and then you're hosed.
19:23:17 <Ejdesgaard> john, xming :)
19:23:20 <Ejdesgaard> Antisoche, okay:S
19:24:00 <john> Antisoche: The SQL backends enforce the one-user-at-a-time themselves. But yes, that's because there's no provisions at present for concurrency.
19:24:44 <Antisoche> How would the server know if the client went away? Or does it just end up with locked tables until you manually reset it?
19:25:45 <Ejdesgaard> It would be a nice feature to have it centrally :)
19:27:15 <john> Antisoche: You end up with a stale lock that has to be over-ridden at startup, just like with an XML file.
19:28:37 <Antisoche> Yeah, that's what I assumed. So then the 2nd person connecting doesn't know if there's someone else actually there or if a client died. So - it _could_ be used to support multiple users, but they'd have to be careful.
19:31:02 <Antisoche> john: That's also assuming that there's a lock check before writing as well. I doubt that exist for the XML file.
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19:33:01 <Ejdesgaard> so basicly it's not recommended as of 2.4.10?
19:33:06 <john> No, there are no lock checks except at file open time. It is absolutely not supported to have more than one user connected to a database or to have a file open. One of these days, but there's a ton of cleanup and redesign to do first.
19:34:11 <Ejdesgaard> what language is the code written in?
19:34:16 <john> Ejdesguaard: Concurrent users is not supported for any version.
19:35:06 <john> Ejdesgaard: The core is in C with some peripheral bits (reports, mostly, but there are some other pieces here and there) in Guile, a dialect of Scheme.
19:37:36 <Ejdesgaard> okay
19:37:52 <Ejdesgaard> had to google Guile :)
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