2010-12-31 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:05:50 <gour> morning
03:06:35 <gour> gmane says that posting to gnucash-user is allowed, but i got msg that it's being held?
03:06:57 <gour> it would be nice to have correct info...
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04:28:11 <madpilot> hello!
04:28:59 <madpilot> I'm looking at upgrading the FreeBSD port of gncash on FreeBSD.
04:29:11 <madpilot> I have a few questions. Is anyone here willing to help me?
04:29:32 <madpilot> Thanks in advance...
04:52:40 <madpilot> Uhm another developer is also working on it :P si sorry for the noise!
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08:39:40 <warlord> gour: we do not control gmane -- you should talk to them. The gnucash-user list is subscriber-based; if you are not directly subscribed you cannot post.
08:47:44 <gour> warlord: if gmane says 'posting allowed' it (usually) means that it's enough to pass gmane auth without direct subscribing...that's the one of the meanings of gmane that one should not subscribe to trillions of mailing lists manualy, but just send gmane auth after 1st posting...iow. it's possible to setup gnucash-user list to allow gmane posting
09:06:39 <indigo> so, when i'm deleting an account, i'm given the option to move all the transactions to another account. However, the account to which I'd like to move the transactions isn't listed as an option; why is that?
09:07:33 <warlord> gour: Like I said, we don't control gmane; I have no idea how gmane works or what it does to get past mailman's "you must be subscribed" policies.
09:07:53 <warlord> You should ask them. Or you can subscribe.. or you can wait for the post to be moderated.
09:08:14 <warlord> indigo: different account type? Different currency?
09:08:25 <indigo> i don't think so; both USD assets
09:08:42 <indigo> actually
09:09:00 <indigo> one is asset, and one is bank.
09:09:44 <indigo> yeah, that's it. Maybe that dialog should present all the options, and when an invalid option is picked, explain why.
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09:11:51 <warlord> Hmm, asset -> bank should be allowed, providing it's all the same currency.
09:12:21 <indigo> apparently it isn't
09:12:32 <indigo> though i was able to change the asset account to a bank account, then do it.
09:12:53 <indigo> still running 2.2.4
09:13:04 <indigo> 2.2.9 rather
09:13:05 <warlord> Oh.. 2.2.4! Wow, that's REALLLLLLLLLYYYYYY OLD.
09:13:10 <warlord> Oh, 2.2.9.
09:13:21 <warlord> Hmm. Well, file a bug report?
09:14:54 <gour> warlord: i subscribed (in the meantime), but asked on gmane-discuss list what can be done
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09:22:50 <warlord> okay.
09:23:02 <warlord> that's the right avenue. This is a gmane issue :)
09:24:35 <gour> :-)
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09:55:41 <Blade> Hi, I am new to GnuCash. Just installed it and read basci concepts guide. I am planning the tree for my accounts, and I wonder were I should put a DEBIT card
09:56:53 <warlord> Funny you should ask that; I was wondering the same thing myself.
09:56:54 <jsled> nowhere
09:57:22 <jsled> a debit card is a way to make transactions against whatever account it's linked to, usually your checking account.
09:57:50 <warlord> jsled: yes, but what if you want to keep track of how much you "spend" on your debit card (i.e., for mileage accrual)
09:57:57 <warlord> s/i.e./e.g.
09:58:43 <Blade> maybe I have to explain better, it's a debit prepayed card I can charge and then use tipycally to buy on internet. So the money is really moved from bank account to the card and stay there till used
09:59:15 <jsled> ah, then it's something like {Assets:Prepaid Debit Card}
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10:01:52 <Blade> ok thank you than it's definitely an asset (in fact treating like a credit card was not behaving the way it should)
10:01:54 <Blade> thanks
10:02:05 <jsled> yes, it's exactly an asset
10:02:38 <Blade> bye everybody and best wishes for 2011
10:02:44 <jsled> hny
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10:05:34 <warlord> Unfortunately that solution doesn't for me. The best thing I can think of is to create a CC and just double-book all my transactions
10:23:26 <mishehu> I personally would use a credit card type account for a prepaid card
10:23:33 <mishehu> actually I do.
10:23:39 <mishehu> and it works perfectly fine for me like that.
10:52:17 <warlord> I suppose for my case I could mark my transactions as 'Signature' transactions that will accrue mileage, and then I could use a search/filter query to only list them and run a report to sum them..
10:53:52 <warlord> I'd prefer to use a subaccount, but ... that doesn't work well for a "check card"
10:54:02 <warlord> * ponders what to do *
11:15:23 <fell> a credit card is a liability, but a prepaid/debit card is an asset.
11:17:41 <warlord> fell: this is neither.
11:18:33 <warlord> It's like a check-card (or debit card) in that the funds are directly pulled from my bank account.
11:18:56 <warlord> However I want to keep track of how much I pull this way (vs. ATM withdrawals, checks, etc). So I want to easily sum the amount pulled by "Check Card"
11:19:56 <warlord> I suppose I could use the "Action" in the main bank split.
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12:33:10 <mishehu> accounting is such a pain in the arse
12:35:46 <warlord> yes, it is
12:35:50 <gour> well, let's say there are more beautiful things to do :-)
12:44:20 <warlord> Especially considering it's new year's eve
12:45:54 <mishehu> eh
12:46:05 <mishehu> I'm about 1700 miles from my girl. :-/
12:46:21 <mishehu> so I'm not expecting to do much tonight except maybe hang with some friends here.
12:46:22 <warlord> That sucks, mishehu
12:46:57 <mishehu> julie played water polo... she wore a ribbon on her left manolo
12:47:12 <mishehu> ...
12:47:28 <mishehu> she was so pretty she made charlize theron looks like a big fat slobbering pig!
12:47:35 <mishehu> (sorry, a little weird al this morning)
12:48:32 <warlord> heh
12:51:36 <mishehu> so now I'm wondering if I should dare try out 2.4.0 and loading data into mysql.. heh.
12:52:20 <mishehu> though I'm feeling rather drained right at the moment.
12:54:33 <warlord> I dont understand why so many people want to use mysql/pg instead of sqlite
12:54:42 * warlord shrugs
12:55:59 <mishehu> I already got mysql up and running
12:56:09 <mishehu> technically nothing wrong with sqlite.
12:56:15 <mishehu> I've done dev with it before
12:57:02 <mishehu> but in this case, I can further augment my invoicing system to automatically generate data into gnucash.
12:57:11 <mishehu> at least in theory :-)
12:58:40 <warlord> Um, that is absolutely not supported.
12:59:40 <mishehu> it is if I'm the one supporting it :-)
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13:00:04 <mishehu> it also assumes that I have deciphered how the data works properly and don't screw things up of course!
13:00:22 <warlord> right. and when you do screw it up we'll just laugh at you. ;-)
13:00:34 <mishehu> fine by me. heh.
13:01:03 <mishehu> not like the first db project I've ever worked on... or screwed up for that matter. :-)
13:01:07 <warlord> Bwahahahahahaha
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18:27:33 <midnightmonster> I have been using the unstable 2.3.x series b/c I wanted the SQL storage. Haven't experienced any problems until now. When I open my account, all my transactions are there, but all have 0 value.
18:28:09 <midnightmonster> I only reconcile my accounts about once a month, so the last time was before I upgraded from ubuntu 10.4 to 10.10
18:28:50 <midnightmonster> I have a couple of sql views in the database for reporting, and these still show the correct dollar values
18:29:21 <midnightmonster> I've removed the views just in case, but it with them in until today, and it still doesn't work with them removed
18:29:32 <midnightmonster> it *worked* with them in
18:30:07 <midnightmonster> I just upgraded to 2.4 stable (both this and my 2.3.x series installed from source)--same result
18:32:15 <midnightmonster> I have a backup of the database from between the last time I used it and now.
18:32:49 <midnightmonster> I've restored that backup with no change. Transactions all 0 in gnucash, dollar values still show in my sql report
18:32:54 <midnightmonster> (I'll be checking back periodically in case anyone can shed some light.)
18:53:43 <Flash> A pre-paid card is actually an asset
18:54:06 <Flash> (sorry, I didn't realize I hadn't scrolled to the bottom)
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21:16:10 <Mer|in> so the ticker symbol on one of my stocks changed this year
21:16:23 <Mer|in> should i just change the symbol or should i handle it as a transaction?
21:22:41 <fell> Merlin: The symbol is only for finance::quote (and the display) important.
21:23:12 <fell> You can change it.
21:23:56 <fell> If you would use a transaction you would loose the history for the portefolio reports.
21:25:11 <fell> Tricky name: Mer|in.
22:03:30 <Mer|in> :)
22:03:46 <Mer|in> thanks
22:04:15 <Mer|in> warlord-afk: i tend to agree about sqlite vs. mysql/pg
22:04:30 <Mer|in> warlord-afk: but i think it's better for the project to have mysql + pg users
22:05:23 <Mer|in> i like the direction of the project with respect to persistent storage
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