2010-11-14 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:51:30 <Teka> Hi How do sort the account tree into order. I have changed the account and sub account number but he order is still the same. I want to put things in alphabetical order
07:52:05 <Teka> any suggestions please
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08:55:19 <warlord> Pippen: Then most likely you're missing a balancing split -- your double-entry is broken.
08:55:49 <warlord> Teka: account codes will override account names.
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10:53:26 <indigo> warlord-afk: i have a meter on my aquarium that i read. i'm not sure how i create a KWH commodity though; when i'm making a new expense account, it's required to be some type of "currency", and KWH isn't currency, and I don't see how to make a new currency anyway.
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11:03:31 <warlord> indigo: not a currency, a commodity.
11:03:36 <warlord> as in a stock account.
11:04:27 <Teka> Warlord Thanks for comment. I have chnage the account numbers so that first would be last but the sequence on the account list is the same. Am I failing to do sohething after changing the numbers?
11:04:43 <Teka> is there a command for resorting the account list?
11:07:36 <indigo> warlord: well, the fact that KWH isn't a stock aside, whenever i try to make a liability account with a type other than "currency", it ignores my preference and selects a currency for me anyway
11:08:26 <indigo> usually ADF, probably because it's first in the list.
11:08:28 <warlord> Teka: what version of gnucash? Have you tried clicking on a column header?
11:09:10 <warlord> indigo: true, liability can only be a currency, but kWh is NOT a currency. So stop thinking like it is.
11:09:37 <warlord> (keep in mind that Liability == -Asset, so you can use an asset account as a liability, if it's always negative)
11:10:37 <indigo> sure KWH isn't a currency, but it is a thing i can owe.
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11:11:39 <indigo> also it's not letting me make asset accounts of non-currency types, either.
11:12:18 <warlord> indigo: sure it is! Stock and Mutual.
11:12:22 <warlord> those are assets.
11:12:37 <warlord> Or just use currency XXX
11:13:24 <indigo> wouldn't that cause problems if i also wanted to say, track the expense of water used by my aquarium?
11:14:08 <warlord> Only if you're trying to measure it in Gallons.
11:14:12 <warlord> (which, imho, is stupid)
11:14:37 <indigo> well, it's easy to measure it in $ if i know the rate beforehand, but i don't
11:15:04 <indigo> i can guess when i enter it, then adjust it when i get the bill, but that's an extra step that i'd rather avoid
11:15:13 <warlord> Who cares if you measure it beforehand? Why can't you wait until you get the bill?
11:15:40 <indigo> because i track expenses monthly and get the bill at the end of the quarter
11:16:09 <indigo> also, the billing cycle for most utilities doesn't match my accounting cycle
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11:18:30 <indigo> all i need, really, is a place where i can note, "the aquarium used XXX kwh last month. When you get the bill, don't forget that."
11:18:42 <warlord> Are you in cash or accrual?
11:18:57 <indigo> cash
11:19:25 <warlord> Then it doesn't matter. You don't account for it until you get/pay the bill. It's actually INCORRECT to pre-book the expense.
11:20:04 <warlord> It doesn't matter that their billing cycle doens't match your accounting cycle. Because you're on cash accounting, it only matters when you pay them, not when the usage takes place.
11:20:06 <indigo> agreed, but for the sake of not forgetting, it would just be nice to have some place to record that the electricity was used, so when i get the bill a month later, i can't forget
11:21:00 <warlord> I don't understand. You get a bill for $200 from the electric company. You book $200 Cash -> Expenses:Utilities:Electric.
11:22:22 <indigo> sure that works, but ideally i'd like to know why i spent $200 on electricity. My goal is ultimately to determine the cost of lifestyle decisions I have made. I've never decided, "I want to buy electricity." I did decide, "I want to have a refrigerator", or "I want to run an aquarium"
11:22:39 <indigo> consequently i'd rather have expenses:hobbies:aquarium:electricity
11:22:59 <warlord> That's more a job for a spreadsheet outside gnucash.
11:23:11 <warlord> I know gnucash sounds like the right place for this, but...
11:23:23 <warlord> you're seeing a nail, when really you want a screwdriver.
11:24:52 <warlord> Or, when the bill comes, *then* you measure your kwh usage and make a split transaction based on the % used from the bill.
11:25:22 <indigo> that's essentially what i'm doing now, and it works quite well
11:25:25 <warlord> E.g., $200 Cash -> Ex:Ut:Electric:General, Ex:Ut:Elec:Aquarium, Ex:Ut:Elec:...
11:25:56 <Teka> Warlord its version 2.2.9 Ihave now click column heading the sequens has changed! thanks - I didn't see that in the help and just never thought of that
11:26:05 <warlord> Your life will be easier if your measurements match the utility's measurements.
11:26:17 <warlord> Teka: happy to help
11:26:21 <indigo> it's just that i read the meter on the 11th (end of billing cycle), get the bill some time later, and pay it some time later still
11:26:58 <warlord> indigo: so write it on a post-it between the 11th and when you enter it into gnucash.
11:28:09 <Teka> another query please. I have savings that are fixed rate for 1 year. is there a way of using gnucash to warn me when the time to reinvest is near?
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11:39:29 <warlord> Teka: Um, use an SX as a notifier?
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11:44:34 <msmDD> saluti a tutti
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11:53:17 <indigo> is there a way i can make an SX reference some percentage of an account balance, for calculating interest?
11:55:47 <warlord> indigo: nope, there's no function for "balance-as-of-date"
12:05:08 <warlord> anyways, gotta run
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16:38:10 <prairiedogg> Just did a trial run of changing books for my small business over to gnucash using the trunk build, everything worked really well
16:38:36 <prairiedogg> I picked it because it was the only free software I could find that did double entry and handled multiple currency transactions
16:38:50 <prairiedogg> and so far everything feels really good
16:38:59 <prairiedogg> so big thanks to the development community!
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