2010-09-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:11:18 <svetoslav> Hi, on the "view bill" and "edit bill" screens , I'm unable to see the whole "invoice entries" table, here's a screenshot http://uploadpic.org/storage/originals/nrne2892f2sf4ufndsnjjfj233.png
08:11:37 <svetoslav> is this a bug/is it a known bug?
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08:24:07 <warlord> svetoslav: Have you tried resizing the columns according to the FAQ in order to see the balance columns?
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08:41:38 <svetoslav> Yes I have
08:42:18 <svetoslav> I tried to make the columns smaller, than bigger, in the second case a slider appears but I'm still not able to see the whole table
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08:55:28 <warlord> Wrong order of operations.
08:55:49 <warlord> Make the end column bigger (make the slider appear). And then make the description smaller (to make the slider disappear0
08:55:59 <warlord> lather, rinse, repeat until all columns are visible.
08:56:00 <warlord> See the FAQ
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09:07:09 <svetoslav> I cannot make the end column bigger because I don't see it
09:08:21 <svetoslav> ok let me read the faq first
09:09:38 <svetoslav> yeah I have read this
09:10:42 <svetoslav> I'm still not able to see the last column, I don't know maybe I don't do the things right but why it has to be so difficult
09:11:20 <warlord> What "last column" are you expecting to see? In the picture you uploaded there is a scrollbar, so all you need to do there is reduce the size of the description column until the scrollbar goes away.
09:12:32 <svetoslav> I mean the colum starting with "Bi"
09:12:39 <svetoslav> I even don't know if there are columns after it
09:12:53 <svetoslav> and I don't know what the header of the column is
09:13:04 <svetoslav> I cannot expand it because I cannot see it's right margin
09:13:17 <svetoslav> even if I shrink description, it does not appear
09:14:03 <svetoslav> btw, I mean a horizontal slider
09:15:01 <svetoslav> Oh I think I did it :)
09:15:31 <svetoslav> the end border is invisible that's why I was struggling
09:15:42 <warlord> What do you mean?? There's a slider there. Use it.
09:16:08 <warlord> Oh, wait.. There's NOT a slider there.
09:16:32 <warlord> Are you in full-screen mode>
09:16:33 <warlord> ?
09:16:47 <svetoslav> yes
09:16:50 <warlord> Turn that off
09:18:29 <svetoslav> yeah I got it, it also works in fullscreen
09:18:43 <svetoslav> is Billable the last column anyway ?
09:19:03 <svetoslav> just to be sure :)
09:21:26 <warlord> I dont recall.
09:22:03 <svetoslav> ok , thanks
09:23:05 <warlord> But yes, I think that Billable is hte last cell, and the heading is "BI"
09:23:34 <warlord> There's a "payment" cell but that's only used for exp vouchers
09:24:12 <warlord> Just verified. Yes, Billable is the last cell.
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12:18:49 <Sir_Konrad> Hi, trying to create a split transaction. I know this is n00bish, but how do you go onto the next line? o.O
12:19:29 <jsled> Sir_Konrad: click the split button in the toolbar?
12:19:45 <jsled> or use the "Auto-split" view mode
12:19:50 <Sir_Konrad> jsled: I already did. It made one line...
12:21:19 <Sir_Konrad> golly... this is confusing now. I'm using the Mac version...
12:21:20 <jsled> one more line?
12:21:30 <jsled> without a date
12:21:32 <jsled> ?
12:22:15 <jsled> Once you fill out that line and tab "off the end" of the line, it'll record the split and add a new blank split at the end of the transaction
12:22:21 <Sir_Konrad> jsled: right, so I can do the split. This is what I'm going through: http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.2/C/gnucash-guide/txns-registers1.html
12:22:28 <Sir_Konrad> oh Tab!
12:22:38 <jsled> or if you just click anywhere else on the current transaction.
12:22:50 <jsled> (on a different split, that is)
12:23:07 <Sir_Konrad> no, now GNUCash just crashed... :P
12:24:15 <Jonesy> Goodday! Just started with the latest unstable version. Created the chart of accounts and saved. Closed the app. Came back and got the renowned 'Can't parse the URL' message.
12:24:26 <Jonesy> Tried loads of variations but all the same
12:25:47 <Sir_Konrad> jsled: do you think that maybe GNUCash for Mac isn
12:26:00 <Sir_Konrad> 't ready for prime time? Maybe I should use Linux?
12:26:30 <jsled> I don't believe there's any particular issue with the mac version.
12:27:25 <warlord> Jonesy: where are you saving it?
12:27:37 <warlord> Jonesy: Don't save it anywhere under $HOME/.gnucash
12:27:47 <Jonesy> To my own folders on C: drive
12:28:05 <warlord> Sir_Konrad: Mac version is just fine.
12:28:08 <warlord> Jonesy: what path?
12:28:28 <Sir_Konrad> warlord: ok. Just seems to be being a little persnickity on my box. :D
12:28:33 <Sir_Konrad> OS X 10.6.4
12:29:04 <warlord> Sir_Konrad: Are you using the DMG or some other Mac variant?>
12:29:15 * warlord admits he doesn't use a Mac
12:29:15 <Sir_Konrad> DMG
12:29:21 <Sir_Konrad> ;)
12:29:31 <warlord> Well, if you find a reproducible bug you should definitely report it.
12:30:02 <Sir_Konrad> "In the "split" line below this, enter the deposit into Assets:Checking (eg:$670) (This is due to a current bug, that demands the first line in a split is the actual account)." -GNUCash docs
12:30:10 <Sir_Konrad> I think this is what I'm fighting...
12:30:50 <jsled> nope … gnucash will actually behave "sanely" in that case.
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12:30:59 <jsled> it shouldn't crash, definitely.
12:31:21 <warlord> Sir_Konrad: the way I enter a transfer account and an amount before I hit the Split button
12:31:48 <warlord> No, it shouldn't crash. It's possible that crasher has been fixed in the dev versions slated for 2.4.0
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12:32:46 <Sir_Konrad> probably so, but that was really weird nonetheless! It very may have something to do with my system, because I've used MacPorts in the past...
12:32:58 <warlord> Possibly
12:33:01 <Jonesy> it is under .gnucash. I will adjust and try again. Thanks
12:33:18 <warlord> Jonesy: yeah, don't do that. ;)
12:33:20 <warlord> (see the FAQ)
12:33:30 <Sir_Konrad> warlord: tried to install GNOME from MacPorts. >.<
12:33:49 <warlord> That could interfere..
12:34:27 <Jonesy> \part
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12:36:36 <Sir_Konrad> ah, finally got that split transaction set up. :)
12:36:44 <Sir_Konrad> I love GNUCash though.
12:40:45 <warlord> cool
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12:52:41 <seyfi> what's fancy date?
12:53:15 <seyfi> does GC call the date that appears on reports as fancy date?
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13:00:12 <warlord> seyfi: I dont know if the fancy date is used
13:01:30 <warlord> The idea is to allow the user to define a date format string for printing out dates in a "fancy" way (as opposed to the locale date)
13:01:47 <warlord> e.g., "September 24, 2010" instead of "9/24/10"
13:04:17 <seyfi> ok. thanks
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13:49:24 <jak> Hi - somehow I've manage to get gnucash to load and not display my account tree. Is there anyway I can get it to display the account tree again?
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14:01:41 <warlord> jak: Depends on the version, but File -> New -> New Accounts Page
14:02:00 <jak> @warlord, thanks I'll give it a go
14:02:00 <gncbot> jak: Error: "warlord," is not a valid command.
14:02:10 <jak> just installing the latest unstable
14:02:56 <jak> new unstable feels faster than 2.2.9
14:03:09 <jak> and View | New Accounts Page worked pretty well
14:17:39 <warlord> Good.
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15:32:00 <svetoslav> If I try to do some programming, do I need to ./configure , make , and then find the executable and run it , every time I make a change in the code and want to test it ?
15:32:19 <jsled> ./configure : no
15:32:27 <svetoslav> only make ?
15:32:32 <jsled> you should be able to make from just the directory you changed, as well.
15:32:37 <jsled> (and `make install`, really)
15:33:09 <svetoslav> hm, in windows , visual studio builds and runs automatically the program, isn't there such an option with linux ?
15:33:21 <svetoslav> with emacs maybe
15:33:41 <jsled> `make install && /opt/gnucash-dev/bin/gnucash` ain't so bad.
15:33:53 <svetoslav> :) I see thanks
15:34:23 <jsled> you can probably find and configure any number of ides to behave like visual studio, sure.
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16:12:39 <svetoslav> jsled: it takes about 40 seconds to "make install" gnucash
16:13:04 <svetoslav> so on every minor change in the code , I have to wait 40 secs to test ?
16:13:17 <svetoslav> I mean , is this normal
16:13:42 <jsled> you might be able to get away with a `make install` just in the directories that have changes, which might lessen the time.
16:14:07 <jsled> you might want to ask on gnucash-devel; I've not developed on gnucash for a number of years, so there might be better practices.
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16:14:22 <svetoslav> oh ok , thanks again
16:14:32 <jsled> 40 seconds is a bit of overhead, but it's not horrible. depends on the type of change.
16:14:38 <jsled> what sort of environment are you coming from?
16:14:49 <svetoslav> I did change nothing
16:14:55 <svetoslav> I just make install
16:15:05 <svetoslav> and then make install again, and it takes 40 seconds again
16:15:16 <svetoslav> but I'll try the way you say
16:15:32 <warlord> 40s is pretty darn quick!
16:15:36 <cortana> if you're working on windows then you are lucky that it only takes 40 seconds!
16:15:38 <svetoslav> I have used visual studio
16:15:45 <cortana> damn recursive makefiles eh ;)
16:15:49 <svetoslav> no I'm on linux now
16:15:51 <jsled> I didn't mean that exactly … more … if you're really making 10 seconds of changes, then waiting for 40s for `make install` … maybe you're making too small of changes. :)
16:16:48 <jsled> not excusing long build/compile/install times … I was complaining to a coworker a couple of hours ago about how a step to push new JSPs in our app is going to take me 30s every time with a new build step.
16:16:49 <svetoslav> yeah but I got used to visual studio where everything compiles very fast, even if it's a big project, so I can make minor changes and test often
16:17:31 <cortana> ah. my work project takes a fraction of a second for make to realise what it needs to udpate on linux. on windows, 40 seconds. it's sooo painful
16:17:31 <jsled> (anyone have a copy of the channel topic in scrollback? it's become unset)
16:17:36 <cortana> Free GPL Personal and Small Business Accounting || Please don't ask to ask, just ask and wait! || publically-logged channel || latest stable: 2.2.9 || www.gnucash.org
16:18:14 <jsled> svetoslav: it's a bit too simplistic to refer to it as "visual studio" vs. "linux" … but there are some aspects of the gnucash modularity and build process that could be optimized, I'm sure.
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16:18:24 <jsled> Cork: thanks
16:18:33 <jsled> er. cortana: thanks. Cork: nevermind. :)
16:18:47 <svetoslav> yeah you're right I know , I actually compiled .net programs, I know c++ takes longer
16:18:59 <svetoslav> c
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16:40:16 <seyfi> is it not possible to run gc without "make install' ?
16:40:46 <seyfi> I mean within the build dir
16:48:45 <jsled> I don't believe so, no
16:49:00 <jsled> it wasn't for a very long time, and I don't think anything's changed.
16:49:37 <jsled> it might be technically possible, but there's no well-known recipe for doing so, anyways
16:50:05 * jsled thinks the modularity gnucash employs is more trouble than it's worth, frankly.
16:50:26 <jsled> the code can still be modular with out quite as much build-time and dynamic-linking overhead.
16:50:33 <jsled> but … I have no horse in this race.
16:50:34 <jsled> :)
16:52:20 <seyfi> being have to "make install" after every hack does not sound right. There should be a way indeed.
16:53:43 <seyfi> it's like "you have to deploy first to test it", not good.
16:53:50 <jsled> fwiw, while it was annoying, that never really got in my way
16:57:03 <warlord> currently there is no way
16:57:06 <warlord> There was a way.
16:57:11 <warlord> It fell into disrepair.
16:57:21 <warlord> the problem is that gnucash loads too much of itself at runtime
17:01:42 <seyfi> yeah, I'm running it in a linux VM and the startup takes ~15sec.s
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17:06:55 <warlord> 15s isn't too bad.
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