2010-09-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:18:56 <gary> how would i go about accounting for VAT on Employee Expenses? I see no obvious way to link any transactions to a tax table or anything?
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09:22:56 <gp5st> hi; i have a liability account i'm using for my student loans. should the starting balance be an increase or decrease? also, for cc the inital balance goes under charge right? why do these show up as positive account balances.
09:25:18 <gp5st> sorry, i know this is all out on the web, i'm still mucking my way through it
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09:44:21 <warlord> well, I can't answer if you disappear...
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09:53:33 <CQ> hello, I'm having trouble getting HBCI working with 2.2.9 ... anyone here able to help? otherwise I'd try compiling the latest SVN ... I'm on Ubuntu
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10:01:21 <gary> warlord: I don't suppose you have any comments on my question do you? :)
10:03:17 <warlord> CQ: you might try asking for help on the german mailing list, gnucash-de; HBCI only really exists in Germany
10:03:28 <warlord> gary: which question?
10:04:23 <CQ> warlord I think I'll try a compile first... some of the aqbanking modules date to 2007, and the errors I'm getting look like protocol errors...
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10:05:03 <warlord> gp5st: it all depends.. did your loan already have a balance when you started accounting? If so, then the opening balance should increase the liability.
10:05:25 <warlord> CQ: well, you'd need to upgrade AqB, not necessarily Gnucash.
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10:08:26 <CQ> warlord: do I just need aqbanking then, or other stuff as well? and how do I tell gnucash which aqbanking to use?
10:08:40 <CQ> I'm looking at http://www.aquamaniac.de/sites/download/packages.php#03
10:08:58 <warlord> I've never tried building AqB by hand.
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10:09:47 <gary> warlord: how would i go about accounting for VAT on Employee Expenses? I see no obvious way to link any transactions to a tax table or anything?
10:09:49 <warlord> I've always used my system-provided version
10:10:07 <gary> warlord: ah yuo weren't logged in when I asked it :)
10:10:38 <warlord> gary: that would explain why I didn't see it. :-P
10:10:51 * gary grins
10:11:38 <warlord> And ... I dont know; we don't have VAT in the US; here employees don't report how much tax is applied in an expense, so it doesn't matter.
10:12:37 <CQ> warlord: ok, aqb wants gwen at a certain ersion...
10:13:11 <warlord> CQ: yeah, AqB, Gwen, and one other lib are all together.
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10:14:41 <gary> warlord: hrm.
10:15:33 <warlord> the employee just says "I paid $100. Please pay me back."
10:16:12 * gary nods, I understand that.
10:16:26 <gary> Here the company can claim the VAT back that the employee paid.
10:16:38 <gary> (if any)
10:17:10 <warlord> Well, just use a Vendor instead?
10:17:21 <gary> I think i'm going to have to.
10:17:33 <warlord> Or send in a patch to enable a tax table...
10:19:38 * gary wishes he had the skill and the time. I never got my head around something I wanted to try and do with a custom invoice, let alone delve into whatever GNUCash is written in :(
10:21:30 <warlord> C
10:22:59 * gary nods, I can code Java if that helps? ;)
10:27:06 <gary> i'd hope that one of the awesome existing developers would think it was an easy addition considering most of the code is already there ;)
10:41:02 <kimmo> gary, at least in finland, most companies have employees fill out expense reports, which are formatted like a standard invoice
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10:49:17 <CQ_> anyone with hbci knowledge here, or can someone point me to a german forum / mailing list?
10:54:15 <warlord> CQ: as I said earlier, gnucash-de mailing list.
10:54:30 <CQ_> ah, sorry, missed the suffix, I'll look for it.
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13:18:32 <warlord> @op
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13:21:37 <CQ> anyone here know gwenhywfar ? it won't compile ... http://pastebin.com/FX86aXEi
13:30:59 <warlord> CQ: missing the qt4 development package(s)?
13:33:46 <CQ> warlord: yup, installing them, ./configure and make made it.
13:35:40 <warlord> ok
13:40:11 <CQ> warlord: any idea how I can point aqbanking at the gwenhywfar I just compiled?? checking for Gwenhywfar version >=4.0.0.0... found 3.11.3.0
13:41:18 <warlord> CQ: no idea; I've never compiled AqB by hand.
13:41:22 <warlord> there's probably a configure option
13:41:50 <CQ> warlord: I didn't find one, that's why I'm asking
13:42:08 <CQ> never mind, temporary blindness.... --with-gwen-dir=DIR
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14:51:17 <CQ> warlord: how do I get gnucash to use the aqbanking I've compiled? no options there that I can see...
14:52:13 <CQ> or do I just have to prepend that bin to the path before running gnucash?
14:52:46 <warlord> You need to make sure the proper aclocal path is there.
14:52:57 <warlord> er... wait
14:53:29 <CQ> I don't want to recompile gnucash, it just uses aqbanking binaries, right??
14:53:33 <warlord> sorry, the PKG_CONFIG path
14:53:40 <warlord> Nope, you need to recompile gnucash
14:54:01 <warlord> AqB is not binary-compatible with itself
14:54:08 <CQ> argh. ok.
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14:54:41 <CQ> how stable is 2.3.15 to use? jsut for plain accounting, nothing live/realtime/online transactions etc.
14:54:51 <warlord> There are bugs in it
14:54:59 <CQ> on the mailing list it looked like 2.4.0 was close
14:55:16 <CQ> sure, but I assume there are bugs in 2.2.9 as well, right? :)
14:55:59 <warlord> true
14:56:10 <warlord> but 2.3.x is being actively debugged ;)
14:58:54 <CQ> warlord: pkg-config is in /usr/bin ... PKG_CONFIG can't be the way to point to aqb files...
14:59:32 <warlord> Yes, it is. there is a path env var you can use to tell pkg-config where to find files. man pkg-config
15:02:52 <CQ> Makefile.in:AQBANKING_DIR = @AQBANKING_DIR@ probably
15:05:24 <warlord> that gets filled in by pkg-config
15:05:32 <warlord> you need to tell pkg-config where your installation is.
15:07:00 <CQ> warlord: how? I haven't git it figured out yet, and google isn't helpful...
15:07:39 <warlord> CQ: did you read the pkg-config man page??
15:08:40 <CQ> --define-variable=VARIABLENAME=VARIABLEVALUE in some variation ...
15:09:51 <warlord> CQ: DID YOU READ THE PKG-CONFIG MAN PAGE???
15:10:09 <CQ> warlord: that's what I'm doing and trying to understand...
15:10:33 <warlord> go down to 'environment variables'
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15:16:40 <CQ> I see it but still don't understand. I guess gnucash needs to find the .pc files for gwen and aqb. There's teh comment about adding the .pc files to libdir/pkgconfig but that doesn't exist in the svn trunk or in the build dir where I ran teh configure.
15:17:06 <warlord> ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES
15:17:06 <warlord> PKG_CONFIG_PATH
15:17:06 <warlord> A colon-separated (on Windows, semicolon-separated) list of
15:17:06 <warlord> directories to search for .pc files. The default directory will
15:17:06 <warlord> always be searched after searching the path; the default is lib-
15:17:08 <warlord> dir/pkgconfig:datadir/pkgconfig where libdir is the libdir where
15:17:09 <warlord> pkg-config and datadir is the datadir where pkg-config was
15:17:14 <warlord> installed.
15:20:25 <CQ> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.16... no
15:20:27 <CQ> sigh
15:20:56 <CQ> nils@blackbox:~/progs/gnucash/build$ pkg-config --version
15:20:57 <CQ> 0.22
15:21:19 <warlord> echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH ?
15:21:27 <warlord> how did you set PKG_CONFIG_PATH?
15:24:03 <CQ> works now:
15:24:06 <CQ> PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/nils/progs/aqbanking/installed/lib/pkgconfig/:/home/nils/progs/gwenhywfar/installation/lib/pkgconfig/ ../trunk/configure --prefix=/home/nils/progs/gnucash/installed/ --enable-debug --enable-doxygen --enable-error-on-warning --enable-compile-warnings --enable-hbci
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15:36:00 <CQ> warlord: does 2.3.15 have the online bankign setup included or does it have to be done manually? i compiled hbci in ...
15:37:38 <warlord> no, that was added to trunk after 2.3.15
15:37:44 <warlord> and requires unreleased AqB
15:38:02 <CQ> I have aqb and gnucash SVNs so it should be in, right?
15:38:21 <CQ> --with-qt3-wizard-package=name ...or am i missing that?
15:39:51 <warlord> Shouldn't need QT at all
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15:51:14 <CQ> hmm... rebuilding to see if that changes anything with different paths
15:53:04 <warlord> I *think* current GnuCash will use the current-AqB-svn GTK menus. But I'm not 100% sure.
15:53:08 * warlord doesn't use AqB
15:55:53 <CQ> warlord: weird, recompiling and the option shows up now... oh well.
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15:58:30 <warlord> glad it's working now
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16:02:10 <Sheiksouth> Hi. Where is there more info on transaction reports.
16:02:48 <Sheiksouth> I am still learning the ropes but seaching the help file did not bring up info on Tranaction reports
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16:10:35 <warlord> Sheiksouth: I'm not sure it's all that well documented.
16:18:36 <Sheiksouth> Is there any documentation on that anywhere?
16:19:23 <Sheiksouth> warlord: would that be something you would like to have feedback on. What about writing a short tutorial on the subject?
16:20:38 <warlord> Sheiksouth: if you'd like to write docs for the report, great!
16:21:12 <CQ> warlord: I've got SVN compilation instructions for ubuntu for gwen, aqb and gnucash if you like...
16:23:59 <Sheiksouth> warlord: I am willing to write something up on the subject. But it would be good to know what is available on the subject and if there are signifficant changes for the new version. Where do I start to look for info.
16:24:27 <warlord> CQ: I dont think it's necessary, personally.
16:24:43 <warlord> Sheiksouth: um, I have no idea. Ask on the -devel list?
16:25:59 <Sheiksouth> warlord: you mean the mailing list.
16:28:01 <warlord> of course
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22:05:28 <centinul> I'm currently using gnucash 2.2.9 on Windows Vista x64. I'm having a slight problem with the budget display and the width of the Account column. For some reason I can't seem to shrink the width of the account column. It automatically defaults to such a wide value that I have to scroll horizontally for a long time before hte budget periods display
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23:58:18 <heinrich> How do I switch between cash and accrual method?