2010-09-05 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:07:59 <shact> hey guys. i have a liability account (mortgage) and a current asset account (overpayment fund). anything in the asset account offsets the principle of the liability such that interest is only charged on the difference between the asset value and the outstanding liabilty. It's all calculated outside of GnuCash and I put the numbers in (looking forward to linking it via an SQL backend), but for now I'd like a way of seeing the o
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10:08:30 <cortana> shact: you were cut off after 'seeing the o'
10:21:25 <shact> oh. "...seeing the overall amount outstanding. Eg £100,000 liability - £10,000 asset = £90,000 liability. It works if I put the asset account beneath the liability, but then I can't see my available current assets. Anyone got any recommendations? Thanks"
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11:20:31 <cortana> hm. i can only suggest some kind of report
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11:35:36 <warlord> shact: Either the two accounts need to parent/child, siblings of an overall "institution" parent account, or you will need to run a report.
11:50:52 <brushb> read Business Accounting Design Document, v0.1 last night for the first time, did it get newer versions later?
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15:19:57 <psp250> No rule to make target `~/gnucash/src/business/business-reports/gnucash/report/aging.scm', needed by `guile-strings.c'
15:20:32 <psp250> ^^ looks like there are a couple of broken symlinks in that directory aswell
15:20:37 <psp250> this is with svn head
15:21:20 <kimmo> svn/cvs head is always "hopefully it will compile", regardless of the product
15:29:29 <warlord> brushb: Sorry... Um, maybe? URL?
15:29:42 <warlord> psp250: "make clean" and try again?
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15:38:40 <psp250> hmm, make clean didn't help
15:38:48 <psp250> looks like some autofoo issue
15:47:13 <warlord> psp250: try "make maintainer-clean"
15:47:35 <psp250> yeah, I guess I have some leftovers
15:47:46 <warlord> The issue is that some files moved and there are leftover symlinks
15:47:57 <psp250> the guile string stuff does a "find" and prolly grabs something obsolete
15:48:36 <warlord> right
15:59:56 <psp250> damn still
16:10:20 <warlord> Worst case: rm -rf and then checkout anew
16:10:58 <psp250> :/ did a git svn clone
16:13:25 <warlord> k
16:29:59 <psp250> hmm, I did remove the offending dir but it gets created somewhere
16:30:02 <psp250> src/report/business-reports/gnucash/
16:30:08 <psp250> during make
16:30:58 <psp250> i think its some autofoo bug
16:35:21 <warlord> src/report/business-reports is correct...
16:38:29 <psp250> it probably was moved
16:39:08 <psp250> src/business/business-reports is created
16:39:51 <psp250> ehm wrong
16:40:05 <warlord> Make sure you're using current trknk
16:40:06 <warlord> trunk
16:40:41 <psp250> rm -rf src/business/business-reports and it compiles now, thanks a lot! :)
16:40:57 <warlord> Um, I told you to rm -rf...
16:41:02 <warlord> and checkout..
16:41:23 <psp250> for whatever reason git status didn't show that directory
16:41:37 <psp250> but did show src/report/business-reports as untracked
16:41:46 <psp250> latter is what I did rm -rf first...
16:42:18 <warlord> Oh, i meant 'rm -rf' from the top!
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16:44:35 <psp250> oh hehe
16:45:00 <psp250> well, works now, except that gnucash is crashing on launch, does it run from within the srcdir?
16:45:08 <warlord> nope
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18:28:46 <brushb> warlord: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2001-November/005064.html
18:29:16 <warlord> Oh... Ummm.... Wow, that's an old doc of mine!
18:29:38 <warlord> No, there has not really been an update.
18:30:04 <brushb> pretty much sums up what i would like to see in gnucash
18:30:12 <brushb> some made the cut and some didn't
18:30:33 <warlord> Yep.
18:30:37 <warlord> I implemented what I needed.
18:30:57 <brushb> I hope someone needs to implement the rest some day
18:31:07 <warlord> It's been 9 years and nobody has..
18:31:10 <warlord> Why not you?
18:31:12 <warlord> :)
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18:31:53 <brushb> I would have to implement with money, and probably don't have enough at that
18:32:24 <brushb> don't have enough programming tallent
18:33:15 <brushb> if someone would make a list of targets and the $$ to accomplish, might could knock out the low hanging fruit
18:34:58 <brushb> i would be better at converting other small business to open source..
18:56:34 <warlord> People can't afford me ;)
18:57:18 <warlord> If someone would guarantee me 1000 people a year willing to pay me, say, $250 (or 1000 people willing to pay $250/year) then that might make it worthwhile...
18:57:24 <warlord> ... there is a LOT to do.
19:10:12 <brushb> or one hundred businesses to pay 210/month
19:10:23 <brushb> i'm on it
19:10:41 <brushb> I'll let you know if anything gels
19:11:12 <warlord> Nah, 210/mo is a lot. 250/year is just over $20/mo.
19:11:20 <warlord> Easier to sell that.
19:11:31 <warlord> (and still generally cheaper than QB)
19:14:42 <brushb> 6 million businesses with no employees, they are going to use something
19:15:57 <brushb> I think most people think they have to buy quickbooks to run a business
19:16:17 <warlord> Have you ever seen QB? It's very VERY flashy. GnuCash is nowhere near that level.
19:16:57 <brushb> yes, all software is marketing now
19:17:04 <brushb> look at the new features
19:17:13 <brushb> says it all
19:19:38 <brushb> quickbooks is ok to compare as a benchmark, but not a business to be desired
19:19:47 <brushb> let quickbooks keep what they have
19:20:21 <brushb> capture the future
19:20:27 <warlord> Sure, but gnucash isn't yet to where QB is in terms of usability
19:20:36 <brushb> for sure
19:20:47 <brushb> still geeky
19:21:20 <brushb> i could help with usability, i think
19:23:18 <heinrich> Have you guys ever used QB? It's horrible for a tech person.
19:24:10 <heinrich> It might be good for a bookkeeping nerd, because all accountants couldn't imagine anything else
19:25:00 <heinrich> but for me it requires double the amount of clicks GnuCash needs to enter a transaction etc.
19:25:20 <brushb> it is similar to the iphone
19:25:39 <brushb> you can be unfamiliar with anything pick it up and use it if you have a ged
19:25:45 <warlord> I haven't used it; I've watched it being used.
19:26:14 <heinrich> what QB or GnuCash similar to iPhone?
19:26:31 <brushb> qb
19:26:58 <heinrich> not sure I agree, iPhone is very user friendly, QB is not
19:27:51 <heinrich> I have used QB for several years and would never go back
19:28:01 <brushb> i turn my nose up at iphones, but it is so simple to use, i am embarassed at how clunky my backflip is
19:29:05 <heinrich> if GnuCash had a proper connectivity with any bank worldwide it would save my life
19:29:30 <heinrich> but this is the weakest part of GC
19:29:37 <warlord> worldwide?? That's a tough call..
19:30:04 <heinrich> at least the banks that adhere to some standard, ,ost do
19:30:05 <heinrich> most do
19:30:23 <brushb> when quickbooks first came out, all accountants hated it, but now most accept it as a part of live
19:30:27 <brushb> life
19:30:29 <brushb> or business
19:30:55 <heinrich> they are slow adopters, this applies to new software as well
19:31:23 <warlord> Well, yeah, they adhere to Intuit's "standard"
19:32:21 <warlord> The next version of AqBanking will be much better about OFX-DC. It'll be using an online database of bank information, which should make configuration easier
19:33:40 <heinrich> I am just doing taxes (hate it!) and to my disappointment all AqBanking config is gone due to some ubuntu update I guess
19:34:05 <heinrich> I am not going through the config horror again, so downloading everything manualluy
19:34:05 <brushb> everything in business changes all the time, chase has an app for the iphone to make check deposits instantly, no trip to the bank, before the iphone I would have never even imagined this
19:34:36 <brushb> the next gen of business has entirely different expectations
19:34:50 <brushb> i think a lot of software will change
19:41:36 <warlord> heinrich: there was an upgrade bug.. GnuCash has fixed it for the next 2.3.x version so it should auto-upgrade your AqB config.
19:43:25 <heinrich> would this mean I have to compile it from source. the ubuntu repo does not have 2.3 yet
19:44:05 <heinrich> or is there another repo I can point to?
19:51:51 <warlord> 2.3.x is still in testing..
19:51:54 <warlord> so... probably
19:51:58 <warlord> anyways, gotta run
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20:46:34 <heinrich> Is there a way in GnuCash to delete multiple transactions at once(;et
20:46:47 <heinrich> let's say for a data range
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22:09:47 <warlord> heinrich: sorry, no, there's not a good way to operate on multiple transactions at once.
22:11:47 <heinrich> thx, yes, I figured out that the fastest way is to switch off confirmation and click several hundred times on the delete icon
22:12:04 <heinrich> a keyboard shortcut would be nice
22:19:47 <warlord> the 'delete' key.
22:20:22 <warlord> (I think)
22:23:35 <heinrich> no, that deletes characters in a field
22:26:20 <heinrich> after getting used to MAC I would like to do everything in GnuCash just using a keyboard, that would be fast, this repetitive work just cries for something like that
22:40:08 <warlord> Well, that begs the question: WHY are you deleting hundreds of transactions?
22:43:17 <heinrich> since the AQBanking is not working for me, I had to download csv files from different banks, create my own qif converter and made a mistake with the minus sign for credit card transactions, so after import I had the whole year wrong
22:58:01 <warlord> heinrich: why not just revert to a backup copy of your datafile?
22:59:03 <heinrich> yes, would have been better, but I noticed it too late after I had done some other work
22:59:21 <warlord> how much other work?
22:59:29 <heinrich> but it took me 1 minute to delete all the transactions, so no problem
22:59:34 <warlord> It might've still been faster to revert and re-do that other work.
22:59:46 <warlord> oh, well... then why are you complaining about 1 minute of work?? ;)
23:00:21 <heinrich> 10 clicks per second = 600 per minute :)
23:00:52 <heinrich> I was just trying to make suggestions for improvment, not sure if you are the right person
23:01:02 <warlord> Send a patch
23:01:10 <warlord> we've got plenty of "suggestions"
23:01:16 <warlord> code speaks more than "suggestions"
23:01:26 <warlord> (sorry, not trying to be offensive here)
23:06:35 <warlord> if you want to just make the enhancement request you're welcome to add it to bugzilla (assuming it's not already there).. But we have entries there almost 10 years old; without a patch it'll probably get ignored.
23:06:48 <heinrich> not at all, you're right, that's what I should do if I had the motivation to engage in this topic more the 2 weeks per year
23:07:09 <warlord> (or you may get lucky and some developer might decide to scratch that itch -- it's happened before)
23:34:31 <warlord> anyways, bedtime for me
23:34:31 <warlord> good night
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