2010-07-07 GnuCash IRC logs

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04:00:22 <manu> hi
04:00:59 <manu> we got a bot, a led.. what else?
04:01:14 <manu> oh.. somebody afk.. great
04:01:31 <manu> it must b nite in the us
04:05:01 <manu> anybody here to ask some question relatet to gnucash?
04:05:06 <manu> -t +d
04:07:18 <gour1> when will 2.4 become released?
04:07:36 <manu> wow
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04:08:51 <manu> ok.. next question.. when will we be able to create our own price list to be automatically selectet by working on ivoices for any customer?
04:09:03 <manu> -t +d
04:09:22 <manu> +n
04:10:14 <manu> it's a taboo
04:10:42 <manu> nobody wants to talk about price listing which are not on the stock market
04:10:52 <manu> _grr_
04:15:13 <manu> man.. i work already 4 years with gnucash.. i am fedup.. i want the prices to get automatically filled in.
04:15:50 <manu> is it against the law? or why does nobody implement this feature?
04:16:01 <manu> :((
04:18:00 <manu> and using customer related jobs is very complicated. U have to write the whole list of items for every new custumer anew... what a waste of energy
04:20:38 <manu> <<<< looking for new fi-sw :(
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05:31:57 <blathijs> manu: I haven't worked with pricelists, but I don't really understand what you want exactly. Did you check if there is s feature request ticket about it yet?
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06:41:44 <manu> blathijs.. hallo
06:41:55 <manu> i have searched a lot
06:42:56 <manu> and i never found a way to make an inventory of my services and prices, in order to drop down an item on an invoice and get the right price right away
06:43:03 <manu> that is what i need
06:43:43 <manu> an itemslist with my prices, like.. if i was selling watches, the price of each stock of watchABC
06:43:46 <blathijs> manu: Perhaps you should report it then, and take some time to describe in detail what you would want Gnucash to do and how it would fit in your workflow
06:43:47 <manu> for example
06:43:52 <manu> i did
06:44:03 <manu> i asked
06:44:07 <manu> i made a request
06:44:25 <manu> that is why i came here today fully frustrated
06:44:44 <blathijs> And the reason nobody implemented it is probably because none of the developers need it themselves, and they have only limited time
06:44:59 <blathijs> Could you give the link to the request?
06:45:20 <manu> every other bookkeeping for selling articles of any kind has a management for the storage of the items, the selling, evt. the filling up of the stock
06:45:40 <manu> blat: it was years ago
06:45:51 <manu> i don't have the link
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06:46:22 <manu> and there is someone asking the same unter the "merchindising" issue
06:46:45 <manu> but there is also no big help for what he is asking vor
06:46:55 <manu> :(
06:47:36 <manu> i will try again to write such a report.
06:48:16 <manu> i just cant believe, that nobody needs it. sme always have service in hours or items to sell
06:48:54 <manu> with no inventory, U always have to look the price out of Ur list and insert it manually in Ur invoice
06:49:18 <manu> very unconfortable
06:50:21 <manu> blathijs: thanks for caring, :)
06:50:52 <manu> blathijs: unfortunatelly i just saw Ur message, as i had to shut down my system.
06:50:57 <manu> so.. i gotta go
06:51:07 <manu> thx. i'll b back soon
06:51:11 <blathijs> k
06:51:14 <manu> :)
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08:47:33 <warlord> jsled, linas: could you op gncbot?
08:48:18 <warlord> Well, I would have answered manu's question is he had stuck around until I woke up..
08:53:10 <blathijs> warlord: He did stick around longer that the average "Please help me with my poorly-described problem. You suck. <quit>" folks :-)
08:53:18 <blathijs> And he said he'd be back
08:54:37 <warlord> the answer is that no, none of the devs have needed that. I wrote the biz features, and I did it for my consulting business. I dont sell *stuff* so I didn't need it. I put some stuff into the UI in the hopes it would eventually get implemented.
08:54:47 <warlord> But... nobody has done it, and my dev time went to 0
08:55:43 <blathijs> :-)
08:55:59 <blathijs> Good thing I've started a consulting business, then. :-p
08:56:36 <warlord> heh.
08:57:18 <blathijs> I actually managed to send out my first invoice yesterday, after a day and a half of fiddling with the HTML template :-)
08:57:22 <warlord> Basically, we have hundreds of good ideas, hundreds of enhancement requests.. and many many real bugs, too.. we dont have the developer throughput to deal with it all, and there is nobody paid to work on gnucash
08:57:31 <warlord> cool!
08:57:32 <blathijs> It got a lot more pretty than the default invoice template, fortunately :-p
08:57:58 <warlord> For what it's worth, when I started I didn't even use GnuCash's invoices to send to customers. I used my own LaTeX template and filled the information in twice.
08:58:16 <warlord> (even though I *wrote* that code in gnucash0
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08:58:55 <warlord> @op
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08:58:59 <warlord> thank you, linas
08:59:04 <blathijs> I considered that as well, but doing it this way was more cool (even though it will probably take many years for me to actually "win" back the time invested now :-p)
08:59:24 <warlord> blathijs: could you donate your changes?
08:59:33 <warlord> (maybe as a new example template/css?)
08:59:47 <blathijs> warlord: I've sent a message to the list already. I've not sent the complete template, though.
09:00:02 <blathijs> It still needs more work, there's a bunch of hardcoded stuff in there now
09:01:05 <blathijs> And I'm not sure if I'll be the one to invest that work :-)
09:02:52 <gour> blathijs: you're using eguile template?
09:02:57 <blathijs> gour: Yup
09:03:11 <gour> blathijs: cool. i'm in the same boat :-)
09:03:34 <gour> blathijs: don't tell me you're guile hacker ;)
09:03:55 * gour is doing counselling work :-D
09:04:03 <blathijs> gour: No, I've only learned scheme last week :-)
09:04:10 <gary> I could do with some example invoice templating
09:04:26 <gour> blathijs: :-) heh, how long you spent with it?
09:05:12 <blathijs> warlord: I guess the eguile templating is a good step forward, but I think it needs some more stuff to make it really good. For example, it would help if you could add more options to the report from the .eguile.scm, or if you could use variables in some of the options (e.g., including "Please pay $amount before $duedate" in the "notes" field)
09:05:34 <gour> here one require some extrta stuff (besides name & address) to appear on the invoice (e.g. official registration number of company etc.)
09:05:42 <warlord> blathijs: baby steps.
09:05:48 <warlord> (note that I didn't write the eguile report)
09:06:01 <blathijs> gour: I think somewhere between one and two days, excluding my initial scheme explorations
09:06:23 <blathijs> gour: Yeah, I had that as well. No way to put that in the company properties, so I hardcoded it in the template.
09:06:28 <warlord> Arguably the "please pay ...." notes field should be in the template, not in the options. The /template/ should be the modification of the report.
09:06:30 <gour> blathijs: ahh...i cannot count on any previous experience...except playing with haskell
09:06:58 <blathijs> warlord: OTOH, it is really something people would like to modify themselves, to change the wording etc.
09:07:17 <gour> blathijs: thanks for sharing...in a few days i'll dive into it...now playing with 'roundup' tracker
09:07:31 * gour nods
09:07:35 <blathijs> gour: gary: I can send you my template, if you give me your email address in a pm?
09:08:17 <warlord> blathijs: yes, but if people are already modifying the template for their view, they can change the wording.
09:08:55 <gour> warlord: maybe having some extra slots ready would be nice
09:09:51 <blathijs> warlord: True enough. But this way people could get away without changing the template at all (having all these configurable "headings" in the options right now helps for this as well)
09:10:24 <gour> may i just note taht 'roundup' tracker is using TAL template language along with python...maybe a more popular/easier combo for tweaking reports
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09:11:41 <blathijs> gour: gary: For a preview, see http://www.stdout.nl/static/files/Sample Invoice.pdf
09:12:22 <blathijs> gour: Possibly, but scheme / guile is already quite dominant in Gnucash, I don't think it would make sense to add a completely different language
09:12:23 <gary> Shiny!
09:13:47 <gour> nice ;)
09:14:16 <gour> blathijs: well, there are python bindings for gnucash...too bad it's not possible to sue them for reports
09:14:43 <blathijs> gour: Hm, that's true
09:15:05 <gour> and there are quite some python-based tempalting languages
09:15:27 * gour is not aware of many apps using guile's glue
09:15:48 <gour> and, iirc, even warlord is not too fond of it
09:17:07 <warlord> I'd like to sue python
09:17:30 <warlord> I'm not fond of guile, but I'm *LESS* fond on python
09:18:34 <gour> warlord: what would be you DSL-of-choice for gnucash?
09:19:27 <warlord> Honestly, I dont know.
09:20:20 * gour wonders who know then
09:21:02 <blathijs> python is nice, not sure if it works for templating, though
09:21:12 <blathijs> gour: gary: I've sent you the invoice
09:21:15 <blathijs> template :-)
09:21:42 <gour> good...we don't have extra money for paying extra invocies :-)
09:22:42 <gary> blathijs: received, thanks.
09:22:49 <gary> blathijs: concerns noted :)
09:23:12 * gour got it
09:24:41 <gour> blathijs: it would be (maybe) useful to re-pos to gnucash-user as well?
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09:26:59 <blathijs> gour: Perhaps, though I'd want to wait a bit for responses on -devel first I guess
09:27:08 <gour> blathijs: ok
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