2010-06-25 GnuCash IRC logs

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05:48:58 <acctswuser> warlord,jsled: Re: tags: so the only way I see to attach a "tag" to an account from a fixed group of tags in fixed group of tag-categories is to include in account names/descriptions a "CODE sequence" which would somehow list these tags.
05:49:00 <acctswuser> Q:How long can I make account names and still have full names included in all exports/imports/manipulations with data?
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08:02:00 <warlord> acctswuser: names are technically unlimited, but I dont know if the sql backend put limits on them.
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15:35:56 <JesseW> This seems to be fixed: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611014
15:36:40 <JesseW> at least, Phil Longstaff counldn't verify it... should we close it?
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15:52:38 <davr_> just tried it, seems ok in 2.3.14 on windows
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16:00:57 <warlord> cool.,
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16:38:00 <JesseW> What do you all think about me reorganzing the GUI docs to stop them from repeating the same menu items in three or more places?
16:51:52 <warlord> I think it depends what you mean, JesseW
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17:05:45 <JesseW> I'm observing that, while the contents of the menus do change depending on what kind of tab is active (register, tree of accounts, report, etc.) most of the items remain the same. I'd like to avoid duplicating the descriptions of them in the DocBook source, at a minimum.
17:07:59 <JesseW> I'm not sure if it's really a good idea to be silently altering the contents of the menus anyway; maybe including all the entries, with the inapplicable ones disabled, would be better...
17:08:26 <JesseW> what do the Gnome HIG guidelines say about this? /me goes off to check
17:08:30 <warlord> Some items only apply contextually
17:08:49 <warlord> The HIG, last I saw, said that it's okay to have contextual menu items.
17:10:42 <JesseW> By "contextual menu items", I assume you're referring, for example, to how the entry above Page Setup on the File menu changes from Print (disabled) on the Tree of Accounts to Print Check for registers, to Print Report for reports, right?
17:12:57 <warlord> Yes.. Or how you get additional report options in a register..
17:14:20 <JesseW> Hm. What do you call the menu that comes up when you right-click on an item? I remember *that* being called a contextual menu...
17:15:34 <JesseW> hm, this quote from the HIG seems to warn against what we're talking about: "Do not add or remove individual menu items while the application is running, make them insensitive instead. Entire menus may be added or removed from the menubar at runtime, however, for example in component-based applications."
17:16:16 <warlord> Yes, that's "the" context menu.
17:16:18 <warlord> Hmmm....
17:16:25 <warlord> So the HIG has changed since this was done.
17:16:32 <warlord> But.... not something to change to 2.4.
17:16:39 <JesseW> Certainly not.
17:16:55 <JesseW> Hm, I'll look at the old verisons, see if I can see when it changed.
17:17:24 <JesseW> Oh, and the term for the right-click menu in the HIG is: "popup menu"
17:18:30 <jsled> the highly-dynamic nature of the gnucash menus is generally a bad idea.
17:18:40 <JesseW> jsled: I agree.
17:19:25 <jsled> it really should be "superset-and-insensitize", as mentioned.
17:19:38 <jsled> maybe with some structural changes to make the modality a bit clear.
17:20:02 <JesseW> jsled: it also makes writing the help files more of a pain. But if we agree to gradually move toward having all the items listed, then I could arrange the help files to follow that, just with notes about the items that arn't always visible.
17:20:14 <JesseW> Which would remove a lot of duplication from the help files.
17:20:43 <jsled> I'd throw away the help file, focus on tooltips or making the items more immediately clear, and anything useful from the help should go into the guide.
17:21:01 <JesseW> that's pretty temping, too.
17:21:09 <JesseW> s/temping/tempting/
17:22:37 <JesseW> for some of the changing menu entries, we could just simplify the label: i.e. "Print" alone would print the active tab, whatever it happened to be; we don't need to specify this in the menu item.
17:23:05 <jsled> I think that might be hard to do given how the menu handling works at present
17:23:20 <jsled> nothing's impossible, of course.
17:23:33 <JesseW> oh? couldn't we just give the two different menu items the same label?
17:24:37 <jsled> I'd guess they'd each show up.
17:24:41 <jsled> but I really don't know.
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18:02:50 <acctswuser> warlord: thx. which sql backend is being used?
18:07:03 <warlord> dbi
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20:34:13 <raleightile> what is the best way to get a transaction detail report?
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22:09:38 <shade304> is there a way to print the details from business invoices for the day
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22:12:04 <warlord> shade304: maybe a day-limited A/R register report? Open A/R, set the View to the date, then run the register report
22:18:03 <shade304> i'm trying to print an overview of line items from the invoice
22:19:59 <shade304> reports >> transaction report is perfect, but needs to expand to show details
22:21:47 <warlord> sorry, you'll have to write code to do that
22:22:06 <warlord> ... or post your invoices without accumulating splits.
22:22:57 <shade304> yes, the accumulating splits is the issue
22:23:54 <shade304> can you run a tree type report like invoice reports for all the invoices for a customer or customers?
22:24:57 <warlord> if you write code
22:26:19 <shade304> does that mean learn scheme, or is there a how to i could modify
22:26:38 <warlord> learn scheme
22:26:49 <shade304> ouch
22:27:45 <shade304> is it possible to select more than one object for a report?
22:28:05 <warlord> depends on the report
22:29:42 <shade304> customer report, the company button, can you select multiple or all?
22:30:24 <warlord> no
22:31:24 <shade304> and export biz invoices was a no also?
22:31:47 <warlord> export how?
22:34:45 <shade304> just looking for a way to run external reports
22:36:25 <warlord> well, good luck with that. I'm heading offline. TTFN
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22:36:40 <shade304> ok
22:36:43 <shade304> me too
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22:45:59 <mezimezim> anybody here tonight?
22:46:54 <mezimezim> I have a question regarding cash flow reports
22:47:06 <mezimezim> I have run a cash flow on an expense report and Gnucash shows money coming "in" and money coming "out" of the account
22:47:32 <mezimezim> I understand that
22:47:36 <mezimezim> the amount that Gnucash specifies as going at are amount that were going towards another expense account, in a split transaction in which the account I ran the cash flow on was involved as well..
22:47:49 <mezimezim> ....as going out.....
22:48:43 <mezimezim> looks like a bug to me....unless I don't understand something....which is why I am here!
23:04:17 <mezimezim> is my question clear? It is sort of hard to explain....
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23:56:29 <mezimezim> I have filed a bug report
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