2010-03-19 GnuCash IRC logs

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02:48:20 <smo> i'd also be interested in importing paypal data sometime down the road. I barely do any paypal transactions yet but one thing I heard is to slowly ramp up your customer or transaction base with them, kind of like the way google invites people to new services by trickling them in slowly over time. that's because paypal will put your account and funds on hold for 6 months while they investigate a su
02:48:22 <smo> dden and unexpected surge of traffic.
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09:33:44 <gour> congrats to gnucash team for 2.3.11!!
09:33:59 <gour> warlord: i've some interesting news...
09:34:16 <warlord> okay....
09:34:53 <gour> warlord: i tried again by freshly fetching from the repo. autoconf-build fails, but cmake builds!!!
09:35:14 <gour> warlord: i can email you 'typescripts'...it looks as some problem in the build
09:35:47 <warlord> Email it to -devel, or file a bug report
09:35:54 <warlord> what version of auto-tools?
09:36:18 <gour> warlord: autoconf-2.65
09:36:41 <gour> warlord: ok. i'll file bug report
09:37:50 <gour> or is devel better place?
09:37:59 <warlord> what version of automake? intltools? libtool?
09:38:07 <warlord> Depends on how big it is..
09:38:36 <gour> better to bug report then
09:38:43 <gour> automake-1.11.1
09:39:26 <gour> libtool-2.2.6b
09:39:44 <gour> intltool-0.41.0
09:41:29 <warlord> I'm using ac-2.63, am-1.11.1, lt-2.2.6, and it-0.41.0
09:41:33 <warlord> So, the tools are pretty close..
09:42:06 <warlord> I just dont know why it's not including the glade cflags in the compile line.. it should be!
09:43:03 <gour> well, i'll fill bug report...cmake does it and i have tried to build bunch of other apps requiring libglade without any problem
09:44:13 <warlord> a) cmake is a completely different system and doesn't build gnucash
09:44:25 <warlord> b) Lots of other people build gnucash just fine on many different systems.
09:44:52 <gour> c) but one can build gnucash with cmake?
09:46:55 <warlord> Ummm.. last I checked cmake only built CUTECASH, not GNUCASH
09:47:09 <warlord> (but I haven't played with it)
09:47:54 <gour> huh...it seems you're right
09:54:55 <gour> i've reported the issue - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613326
10:08:27 <warlord> okay.
10:10:58 <gour> i do not have any idea what to try next...all i see is that build fails in ../gnucash/src/html and there some swig stuff is imployed
10:15:27 <warlord> wait, now it's in src/html? Before it was in gnome-utils?!?
10:19:37 <gour> well, it says: "In file included from swig-gnc-html.c:1242: ../../src/gnome-utils/dialog-utils.h:29:25: error: glade/glade.h: No such file or directory"
10:20:11 <gour> and 'make' is in src/html
10:20:21 <warlord> AHA!!! There is no glade_cflags in src/html/Makefile.am!
10:20:41 <warlord> Add glade_cflags and glade_libs in there
10:26:48 <gour> warlord: now it works, but i wonder how it builds for others :-/
10:27:17 <warlord> I dunno...
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10:29:43 <gour> too bad, that 2.3.11 is released today
10:30:27 <warlord> If that fixes it for you please update the bug report.
10:33:22 <gour> will do
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11:33:39 <gour> warlord: i updated bug report with the 'patch'
11:34:14 <warlord> ok
11:38:32 <warlord> gour: you dont want cflags and libs together, but I'll go make the right patch.
11:39:00 <gour> warlord: ok. thanks
11:39:51 <warlord> actually, does it build if you dont use GLADE_LIBS?
11:40:35 <gour> warlord: didn't try. it builds with both
11:40:46 <warlord> Can you try w/o the _LIBS
11:41:15 <gour> ok
11:41:24 <warlord> Oh, nevermind. I'll just add it.
11:43:03 <warlord> gour: fixed in r18931.
11:44:00 <gour> warlord: cool
11:49:08 <warlord> ... you were pointing me at the wrong directory yesterday.
11:49:25 <warlord> (I'll note that this is why full build logs are important)
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12:00:10 <gour> well, i'm sorry...i was also thinking about the wrong one...today i found out it's actually src/html. however the paste still included "In file included from swig-gnc-html.c:1242:" line
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12:10:20 <gour> anyway, now we can proceed to (hopefully) more interesting aspects of gnucash
12:15:11 <gour> how can one use sqlite3 dbi back-end in 2.3.x?
12:16:15 <warlord> File -> Save As [sqlite]
12:17:00 <gour> warlord: thanks.
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13:36:21 <gour> is anyone tinkering with eguile in 2.3.x? i understand thatone has to provide e.g. myreport.eguile.scm which embeds guile code with <?scm ... ?>, and that report should be converted to e.g. myreport.scm which is then installed within gnucash into some report's submenu. now it's not clear to me what is the procedure to create file.scm from file.eguile.scm ?
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13:44:31 <warlord> You have to create two -- you don't generate one from the other.
13:44:36 <warlord> They are two parts of the same piece of code..
13:44:43 <warlord> sort of like a .h and a .c
13:44:59 <gour> aha..
13:47:14 <gour> warlord: this confuses me a bit: "The processing happens in two passes. Initially the input file is converted to a Guile script, and then that script is evaluated to produce the final result (as a string which is passed back to the report-displaying part of GnuCash). "
13:48:01 <warlord> You dont have to worry about htat.
13:48:03 <warlord> that
13:48:08 <warlord> That's an implementation detail.
13:48:38 <gour> ok. now to figure out how to produce those 2 types of files
14:03:48 <warlord> Look at an example.
14:10:58 <gour> if i have something like (load-from-path "~/.gnucash/myinvoice.scm") in my config.user file, can i see somewhere if it loads correctly?
14:12:46 <warlord> Umm.. it depends.. does your script output anything?
14:15:03 <gour> well, i just renamed sample taxinvoice report and want to be sure if it's installed as renamed one
14:18:38 <warlord> Did you change the filename, report name, and report guid?
14:19:03 <gour> hmm, didn't change the last one
14:19:56 <gour> any rule for generating it?
14:20:51 * gour --> dinner. bbs
14:21:53 <warlord> If you didn't change the GUID, that's your problem. Each report needs a unique guid.
14:23:23 <gour> it seems that gnucash loads only reports from /usr/share, not from my ~/.gnucash...that's why i asked about some log to check if it loads
14:23:49 <warlord> Right, but load-from-path should force it.. Although it doesn't know about '~'
14:25:53 <gour> ahh, that's it
14:26:08 <gour> it's not elisp :-)
14:26:24 <warlord> Right, it's not
14:26:51 <gour> now it's there :-)
14:26:55 <gour> cool ;)
14:26:56 <warlord> There ya go.
14:27:25 <gour> now we have to become familiar with gnucash itself to properly create sandbox accounts
14:28:24 <gour> however, gnucash always complains about not being able to find default values and although i provide choises to fix it, it get lost after restart...
14:28:31 <gour> but, now going to eat something
14:32:12 <warlord> okay
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15:04:28 <gour> strange...i have to required entries in ~/.gconf.path, invoked gconftool-2 shutdown, but gnucash is still not happy :-/
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15:08:22 <warlord> define "not happy"
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15:13:25 <gour> it complain over & over about missing default values
15:13:43 <gour> i see it was issue on arch with 2.2.9, let me see what did they do to fix it
15:13:52 <warlord> Arch?
15:14:06 <warlord> How/where did you install gnucash?
15:14:18 <warlord> ... and did you install the gconf schemas?
15:16:17 <gour> i modified build script for archlinux
15:16:53 <gour> gconf schemas are installed but it looks i'm missing some update call...re-installing now...let me see
15:19:59 <warlord> Are they installed into a location gconf knows about?
15:20:44 <gour> hmm, now i see that archlinux build script rm-es /etc/gconf/schemas/*.schemas
15:23:15 <gour> ahh...now i see...schemas are in /usr/share/gconf, but i need to do some renaming
15:29:06 <warlord> anyways I need to run.
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15:29:42 <gour> thanks
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16:07:14 <AlonzoTG> =\
16:07:31 <AlonzoTG> I bought some gold again and I can't get it to register any debit amount. =(
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21:06:23 <sluggo> hope somebody can help. keep getting error: cant parse the file - what can i do?
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23:25:15 <mnkyboy> when adding a credit card, which account gets linked to the starting balance?
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23:37:42 <mnkyboy> anyone here?
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23:42:39 <warlord> mnkyboy: Equity:Opening Balance, just like everything else
23:43:10 <mnkyboy> @warlord, that makes my equity negative
23:43:10 <gncbot> mnkyboy: Error: "warlord," is not a valid command.
23:43:30 <mnkyboy> warlord, that makes my equity negative
23:45:18 <warlord> mnkyboy: well, if you have more on your credit card than you do in the bank, your Equity *IS* negative!
23:49:32 <mnkyboy> maybe im entering it wrong, i am setting up gnucash for the first time, savings and checking accounts have starting balances, my credit card is paid off each month, when entering the current statement, the starting balance would be the new balance (what is owed for that month) correct?
23:50:07 <mnkyboy> and i guess the payment from last month shouldnt be included in ledger, correct?
23:51:41 <warlord> No......
23:51:49 <warlord> You only use starting balance when you set it up.
23:51:59 <warlord> Then, as you USE the credit card, you enter CC -> Expense
23:52:05 <warlord> then when you PAY the CC, it's Bank -> CC
23:52:13 <warlord> So you have to enter each CC txn
23:52:19 <warlord> as CC -> Exp
23:53:51 <mnkyboy> yes, i understand that, i import my statements and the statement includes the payment for last month, this shouldnt be inlcuded, correct?
23:54:35 <warlord> depends whether "last month" is prior to T0
23:59:23 <mnkyboy> crap, i cant get this right