2010-03-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:09:46 <looking> hi there. I trying to use gnucash for my business and can't seem to get my invoice items in the right order. Is there a way to reorder items? I tried starting each item with 01, 02, 03 etc but it still isn't working. Help! I want to get paid!!
01:11:46 <looking> Another way to put it: what does gnucash use to order the items when it prints out an invoice?
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01:20:00 <looking> can anyone here me. This is my first irc chat so maybe something isn't working right.
01:20:25 <looking> woops that's "hear" not "here"
01:24:36 <looking> ummmm is there anyone who can let me know if these posts are getting through?
01:30:51 <looking> okay i'll try this another time.
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01:30:56 <JonathanEllis1> looking: I only just got up but I left my IRC software running all night. In the UK its 6.30 in the morning. Maybe knowon
01:31:10 <JonathanEllis1> Maybe noone is replying cos they are all in bed
01:31:16 <JonathanEllis1> I may be able to help you
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02:21:13 <ElBano> hi
02:21:18 <ElBano> anyone around?
02:21:43 <ElBano> im trying to add online banking for one of my banks that is not listed on gnucash's ofx site
02:21:47 <ElBano> how do i find out what the fid is?
02:22:51 <JonathanEllis1> ElBano: You probably wont be able to
02:22:57 <ElBano> why?
02:23:05 <ElBano> i can find it by routing number, etc
02:23:06 <ElBano> i just need the fid
02:23:31 <JonathanEllis1> ElBano: You can google it, but banks tech support people either wont know this information or won't understand why you want it
02:23:41 <ElBano> JonathanEllis1, there's not some other way to get it?
02:23:46 <ElBano> JonathanEllis1, i mean, it has online banking through https
02:24:05 <JonathanEllis1> They will probably say "we dont support Gnucash. We never heard of it."
02:24:16 <JonathanEllis1> at least thats what I found before I gave up
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02:24:32 <ElBano> JonathanEllis1, that's because that's not the way to go about it:)
02:24:37 <JonathanEllis1> Now I just download statements as ofx files from the banks website and import it myself
02:25:37 <JonathanEllis1> If you do find out how to get it working, can you update the FAQ on the wiki, please?
02:26:02 <ElBano> well, im sure we don't have the same bank:)
02:27:36 <ElBano> so i need the FID
02:27:38 <ElBano> and server url
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02:28:37 <ElBano> im sure i can tell them quicken
02:29:29 <ElBano> isn't there some way to find the FID and url?
02:29:43 <ElBano> i mean, i can export ofx files from their web interface
02:29:55 <ElBano> JonathanEllis1, what is an fid?
02:32:37 <ElBano> federal id
02:34:00 <JonathanEllis1> ElBano: Well you can try telling them its quicken, good luck. I have had no luck with that. They might say, "Quicken is already set up for our bank" or "We dont support Quicken". Tech support people on telephone helplines are very irritating and stupid. They usually only work from a script and have little or no actual technical knowledge. Trying to get through to someone who actually understands what you want and has the knowledge to tell you (and
02:34:29 <JonathanEllis1> ElBano: I suspect they will think you are a hacker trying to bypass their security
02:35:53 <ElBano> JonathanEllis1, i emailed some people i know at the bank from my work email
02:36:01 <ElBano> JonathanEllis1, do you know what FID even stands for?
02:36:02 <ElBano> federal id?
02:36:13 <JonathanEllis1> ElBano: No idea
02:36:36 <ElBano> fiducial id
02:36:55 <ElBano> federal identifier
02:36:57 <ElBano> probably
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08:42:24 <AlexStacey> Hi, I'm a bit of a noob with gnucash so looking for a bit of advice. I've set up various income accounts as I'd like to be able to see UK, EU and RestOfWorld clients separately. I'd also be able to view them all together but when I open the "Income" parent account it tells me it's Read-Only and displays an empty account
08:43:02 <AlexStacey> Am I missing something? Is there a way to view this group of accounts together?
08:44:36 <AlexStacey> btw, I'm using v2.2.6
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08:46:04 * AlexStacey thinking he should upgrade to 2.2.9
08:51:36 <AlexStacey> Question #2: Is there a way to display all accounts for a period of time? I'd like to get month-by-month breakdowns but haven't found a way to do that
08:56:12 <warlord> File -> Open Subaccounts
08:56:34 <warlord> I'm not sure I understand #2..
08:58:29 <AlexStacey> warlord: thanks. but no File -> Open Subaccounts option here
08:58:45 <AlexStacey> (linux v2.2.6)
08:59:39 <warlord> AlexStacey: Are you viewing the Chart of Accounts?
08:59:43 <warlord> ... or the register?
08:59:47 <warlord> (it's a CoA menu option)
09:00:06 <warlord> Also, 2.2.9 is current stable.
09:00:14 <warlord> (but that wouldn't affect this)
09:00:50 <AlexStacey> I'm not sure which I'm viewing. It's a sort of tree-like list of accounts
09:01:11 <AlexStacey> "CoA" ?
09:05:14 <warlord> Chart of Accounts
09:05:26 <warlord> From the CoA there is definitely an Open Subaccounts menu item..
09:05:45 <warlord> (I haven't used 2.2.x in well over a year, so I don't remember where it was in the menu)
09:07:41 <AlexStacey> ok cool. thank you. How's 2.3.x? Buggy or not too bad?
09:13:12 <AlexStacey> i guess there's an easy way to find out =]
09:24:24 <warlord> Depends which features you use.
09:24:49 <warlord> I still only use XML, so that part is fine. The SQL backends are getting more testing, but there are still bugs in there.
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11:57:40 <AlexStacey> I'm getting an error when i run ./configure on v.2.2.9 that GLIB >= 2.6 is required to build Gnucash
11:58:23 <AlexStacey> i'm guessing that's why v2.2.6 is installed from apt in ubuntu
12:00:37 <AlexStacey> anyone know if there's a workaround for installing glib > 2.6 globally?
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12:08:44 <AlexStacey> eg. is there an option for specifying an alternative glib?
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12:14:10 <jsled> AlexStacey: what distro? do you have the -devel packages of eg., glib installed?
12:16:40 <AlexStacey> jsled: yes, i think i've got it now. The docs said I needed > 2.6 but installing libglib2.0-dev did the trick
12:17:50 <jsled> If you're using an apt-based system, you might want to do something like `apt-get build-dep gnucash` to get all the build dependencies
12:18:27 <AlexStacey> i installed gnucash from apt but i got v2.2.6
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12:18:52 <warlord> AlexStacey: what jsled is saying is that you can (and should) use apt to install all the build-dependencies
12:19:57 <AlexStacey> Ok, I shall try that now
12:21:06 <AlexStacey> ...installing lots of packages....
12:21:17 <AlexStacey> thanks for the tip =]
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12:39:48 <AlexStacey> warlord: aha! the "file -> open subaccounts" thing you mentioned earlier has shown itself now i'm using 2.2.9 =]
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13:21:58 <AlexStacey> I shall no doubt be back to ask more dumb questions but I'm done for now. Props to the Gnucash devs - it's a very nice piece of software! =]
13:22:18 <warlord> Glad it's working for you!
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14:22:42 <kimmo> warlord, I use a file-per-year for my businesses, starting from a clean sheet with file -> export -> export accounts. For longer period reports, is there a simpler way than to merge them xml's using xml toolz?
14:24:07 <warlord> nope.
14:24:15 <warlord> Is there any real reason you start over every year?
14:38:26 <kimmo> "yes"
14:38:49 <warlord> and that reason is...?
14:39:46 <kimmo> there's convenience (of not having to explain to an auditor why I delivered more than just the accounting period's material), but most importantly it groups my records by retention date
14:45:07 <warlord> Have you ever been audited? I've never heard of an auditor complaining that they received too much information! As for grouping records by retention date, it's perfectly reasonable to make read-only copies at the end of every period for historical purposes...
14:46:41 <kimmo> not by the IRS, but I'm required by the law to have my books audited by an auditor certified by the chamber of commerce
14:47:13 <kimmo> but anyway, I want no trace, none whatsoever, of records after the retention date
14:48:01 <kimmo> except for the short versions of income statement and balance sheet which are public record by law
14:54:15 <warlord> Why?
14:55:35 <warlord> Note that you could always just run a transaction report for your auditor and give them all the transactions within the period.
15:03:43 <kimmo> I don't want to save any financial records I'm not required to by the law, that can't be derived from said required records
15:05:40 <warlord> why?
15:05:52 <warlord> you dont want to see your own history?
15:07:08 <kimmo> I don't think details from 7+ years ago are of much use
15:08:26 <warlord> perhaps... but details from last year most certainly are.
15:08:48 <warlord> My point being --- you're doing a lot more work now to change out data files, when honestly I dont see why.
15:10:14 <kimmo> sure, but I don't want to get rid of those. I simply want to make sure that when time comes, all copies of records of a given year are destroyed
15:11:01 <kimmo> and there's really not much extra work in switching files at the turn of the year
15:11:11 <warlord> Depends if you're using the biz features or not.
15:11:41 <kimmo> I'm not, just the basic accounting features
15:12:42 * warlord shrugs
15:14:15 <kimmo> (sorry, I just never got around to learning to use them)
15:16:16 <kimmo> is there an introductory sales presentation for them?
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15:24:11 <cstim> warlord: hi
15:24:34 <warlord> kimmo: on the wiki?
15:24:37 <warlord> cstim: hiya
15:27:36 <cstim> warlord: how's life?
15:27:45 <warlord> Good!
15:28:03 <warlord> Enjoying the new locale.
15:29:10 <cstim> warlord: Have you been able to sign up at the Summer of Code website and apply as an organization?
15:30:21 <warlord> Oh, no, I haven't done that yet...
15:32:05 <cstim> Seems like you need to have a "Link ID" of a backup organization administrator. "cstim" would work to use my contact there.
15:36:21 <warlord> cstim, can you help me answer the questions on the application?
15:38:57 <cstim> yes
15:39:36 <cstim> For which questions do you need help? Maybe I can post this on our wiki somewhere?
15:40:51 <warlord> Well, we do need to create a GSoC2010 wiki page.. We need a wiki page for ideas..
15:41:26 <warlord> And I'm not sure how to answer questions 11-15.
15:43:59 <cstim> we already have a wiki page with ideas
15:44:10 <cstim> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/SoC2010
15:45:01 <cstim> which one is #11? There are no numbers, are there?
15:46:28 <warlord> I'm looking at the FAQ
15:46:33 <warlord> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs
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15:54:43 <cstim> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/User_talk:Cstim
15:54:48 <cstim> still typing, though
15:58:59 <warlord> Okay. Also need to know "why are we participating? what do we hope to accomplish?"
16:03:43 <warlord> Also: application template?
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16:15:59 <cstim> warlord: I've added more text for tonight; I'm off to bed now. I might add some more tomorrow morning.
16:16:13 <cstim> Let me know where you like to get some more input, and where you think it is already sufficient.
16:16:20 <warlord> OKay. I'll submit what I have so far -- we can continue to edit it for the next 36 hours or so.
16:16:54 <cstim> Can I see the application as well?
16:18:33 <warlord> I dont know. I put you down as the alternate, so hopefully?
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16:20:16 <cstim> did you already submit the application? I'm checking my profile pages there, but I don't see this role so far
16:21:01 <warlord> No, I did not yet.
16:21:06 <warlord> I'm filling in your details.
16:21:11 <warlord> I'll submit it soon.
16:21:40 <cstim> ok
16:25:18 <warlord> Okay, basic form submitted.
16:26:03 <warlord> Still need to answer 2 questions
16:28:34 <warlord> cstim: can you access it?
16:29:02 * cstim is looking
16:29:44 <cstim> The menu item "List of my Organization Applications" is new
16:30:56 <cstim> ok, I cann see it. Thanks a lot!
16:31:12 <warlord> Great. Feel free to edit it tomorrow.
16:31:18 <cstim> Yes, will do.
16:31:20 <cstim> See you
16:31:50 <cstim> (heh, qt provides a heck of an Undo framework - I already can edit transactions WITH UNDO in the cutecash experiment...)
16:32:13 <warlord> Really??? Sweet!
16:32:35 <warlord> How is the glib<->Qt integration working out?
16:34:00 <cstim> I don't do much of glib - Qt "integration"
16:34:09 <cstim> I need conversion functions, but this is just plain C to C++ conversion
16:34:17 <cstim> Strings, Date type, gnc_numeric type
16:34:25 <cstim> but apart from that, nothing specific to glib
16:34:52 <cstim> I'm unsure which customization system to use - Qt's QSettings, or gconf
16:35:06 <cstim> but for now I ignore that issue so far
16:35:34 <warlord> I'm curious why you're going down this route, but that's for a discussion of a different day.
16:35:58 <cstim> ok
16:36:04 * cstim is away - zzzzz
16:36:07 <warlord> Say hi to the girls!
16:36:13 <warlord> !op cstim
16:36:16 <warlord> @op cstim
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22:31:57 <quietone> I was just editing a budget and watched as suddenly the account column became longer and longer. I can make the account column large but not smaller, can't adjust the size of the month columns. It is not usable at all right now.
22:50:36 <quietone> Oh this is awful. I just made a new budget and it has the same problem. Anyone have ideas? V2.2.9
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22:52:20 <ipso> Somehow I closed the "Accounts" tab, can anyone direct me on how I can open it again?
23:05:03 <warlord> ipso: File -> New -> New Account Page
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23:09:25 <ipso> Warlord: Thanks
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23:12:17 <quietone> more searching and I found it, Bug 597005, and a work around. Just have to only have one budget open at a time, i think. At least I can continue. Thanks everyone.
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