2009-10-21 GnuCash IRC logs

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02:00:10 <Mer|in> so i switched to the postgresql backend - things seem to be working well
02:01:42 <Mer|in> only 2 observations so far - it stores my db password in .gconf\apps\gnucash\history\%gconf.xml
02:02:37 <Mer|in> and it didn't carry over the reports that i have it run at open (seems to be associated with the data file itself)
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08:26:45 <warlord> Mer|in: the latter is expected (and considered a feature).
08:26:49 <warlord> As for the former..
08:26:56 <warlord> I'm not surprised.
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08:34:42 <lord49> hi, im trying to instsall on Windows, I downloaded .dmg file and I dont know howto install it
08:53:37 <warlord> the .dmg is for Mac. You want the setup.exe
09:01:05 <lord49> warlord I did not found it!
09:01:10 <lord49> let me try again
09:01:32 <warlord> Go to www.gnucash.org, left hand side menu is a Download link..
09:01:38 <warlord> Then go to 'stable'
09:01:47 <lord49> i only saw the .dmg in the sf site
09:02:33 <lord49> downloads->windows binary ...
09:11:59 <warlord> Yeah...
09:12:10 <lord49> im in, the first server didnot worked
09:12:24 <lord49> so i selected a US one
09:12:40 <lord49> warlord, where are you from?
09:12:52 <warlord> Dont do that.
09:12:58 <warlord> Click on "Source code, Windows Binary"
09:13:18 <warlord> then under gnucash (stable) click on 2.2.9..
09:13:33 <warlord> Then the windows setup.
09:13:37 <lord49> i did it!
09:13:51 <lord49> im now downloading :)
09:14:22 <lord49> im php mysql programer
09:14:46 <lord49> i have developed a lot of accounting system in the past
09:14:58 <warlord> k
09:15:01 <lord49> i have a php mysql developed
09:15:21 <lord49> BUT i want something more rapid, nice and 0$ :)
09:15:43 <lord49> and also something iŽll can use for a project i have
09:16:14 <warlord> ok
09:16:21 <lord49> when i code a little more over my project ill publish it in sourceforge or anyother
09:17:11 <lord49> first im thinking what platform to use and i think about java
09:18:07 <lord49> ok, this are not questions :)
09:19:04 <lord49> but i have one, if i want to discuss and idea related with accounting etc, how can i start it?
09:29:38 <warlord> depends on the question. ;)
09:50:17 <mishehu_> remember, rapid development doesn't mean it's good.
09:50:21 *** mishehu_ is now known as mishehu
09:50:41 * mishehu always feels the need to point that out to folks when they want quick, fast, and easy.
09:54:15 <lord49> mishehu, why are you saying that, because of java? I dont know a lot about it, I want to read your opinion
09:55:00 <mishehu> nah, I've worked with java. personally I don't like it as much as c or c++, but it's not necessarily bad.
09:55:55 <mishehu> I'm just saying what I said because I have come across too many people who just want it to be a snap of the fingers to write a complex program, and in the end the result is usually not very scalable.
09:56:13 <lord49> i think in java mainly becuase i think java will work in any device (phones, etc etc)
09:56:25 <mishehu> it *might*
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09:57:21 <warlord> Programming for a phone requires special java skills..
09:57:47 <mishehu> me personally, I wouldn't want to develop for a cell phone. the screen is too small :-)
09:59:06 <lord49> as i told you some minutes ago, i have been developing systems for lets say 25 years, obviously not very good all of them, but i have a lot deployed and working for years from calculators to AS/400 and PC, even on XENIX!
09:59:31 <lord49> now i have an idea
09:59:59 <mishehu> ok, not sure why that matters...
10:00:04 * mishehu shrugs.
10:00:22 <lord49> i think is a very crazy idea with a lot of potencial and i need some GOOD framework to do it
10:00:53 <lord49> matters because i wnated to say that i know more or less what i need :)
10:01:01 <lord49> what im looking for,
10:01:11 <lord49> I dont know if java is the answer
10:01:21 <mishehu> that's fine. we all got opinions :-)
10:01:27 <mishehu> as you can see I have mine heh
10:01:39 <lord49> yesyou have, and it is? :)
10:02:18 <warlord> Finding the right tool to solve your problem is half the battle. ;)
10:02:36 <mishehu> I'd even say 3/4 of the battle heh
10:03:20 <lord49> haha
10:03:41 <lord49> by now i choosed eclipse java rcp emf :) LOT OF names!
10:03:49 <lord49> i hate short names
10:04:46 <lord49> the main reason is that i think eclipse is kind of a easy selling tool for young programmers and EMF is nice to try
10:05:29 <lord49> rcp becuase we can say that the eclipse ide works ok
10:06:15 <lord49> easy selling tool = i think young people will be confortable with it
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10:16:03 * warlord has never used eclipse. But I'm old school -- emacs and make
10:17:35 <kimmo_> I saw eclipse in action once, long enough to see its shortcomings compared to emacs
10:17:39 <jsled> my coworkers like Eclipse well; I'm still using emacs/jdee
10:22:52 <warlord> jsled: FYI, when migrating the server back in Jan/March I neglected to 'svn co /repo/meta/hooks' --- oops!
10:24:11 <lord49> jsled thats why i think in eclipse, im almost sure it maybe not the best, but lot of people wil lbe confortable with it
10:24:29 <lord49> Now im trynig gnucash and it is amazing!
10:24:31 <jsled> it's pretty good, from what i've seen.
10:24:50 <jsled> IntelliJ is good. Eclipse seems good. I've not tried NetBeans, but I understand it's got a lot better.
10:26:13 <lord49> IntelliJ, they say it is free now, ill check
10:26:43 <jsled> There's now an open-source (Apache2.0) simple edition, and a pay-for full edition.
10:26:58 <jsled> But this is all way offtopic for #gnucash, anyways.
10:28:43 <lord49> jsled ok, ill not mention it any more, im very interested in gnucash
10:48:18 <lord49> i would need to talk with somebody in spanish because i cant find easely some concepts in gnucash
10:49:36 <lord49> or i can try to explain myself..
10:51:16 <jsled> lord49: if you haven't found the tutorial and concepts guide, it's pretty handy
10:52:51 <lord49> ill try.. i guess it must be simple: the basic of an accounting system in Argentina is EL "ASIENTO", this ASIENTO es composet by a master record=date, number, general concept and the details records with: debit or credit flag, amount and little concept... obviously sum of debit = sum of credit, THE question is: where can i enter this ASIENTO?
10:53:06 <lord49> ill only ask this:) i promise :)
10:54:26 <jsled> In gnucash, this asiento is a "Transaction" (date, number, memo), composed of detail records called "Splits" with debit/credit values and accounts.
10:54:37 <jsled> You enter them in the registers for particular accounts.
10:54:48 <jsled> Double-click on an account in the account tree to get the relevant register.
10:55:12 <jsled> We recommend entering transactions from Assets (Checking, Savings, &c.) or Liability (Credit Card) accounts.
10:55:23 <jsled> s/accounts/account registers/
10:56:21 <lord49> im reading your answer and ill try to read the manual and work on it, thanks a lot
11:00:35 <kimmo_> jsled, just out of curiosity, why not from income/expense accounts?
11:01:24 <jsled> kimmo_: experience has shown it's easier for people to think about / grasp.
11:01:39 <jsled> especially the people who ask in here, having trouble figuring it out. :)
11:01:52 <jsled> In part, because that's how we're trained to think about it with bank/atm statements.
11:02:01 <jsled> And the translated credit/debit labels make good sense.
11:02:01 <kimmo_> jsled, ah so there's no technical reasoning behind it
11:02:12 <jsled> no, none at all. Just a HCI thing.
11:02:29 <warlord> No technical reason, but when you enter txns from Inc/Exp you have to do it 'backwards' to how most people think about money.
11:02:39 <kimmo_> other than security/stock accounts of course, where one might want to mess with the unit price etc
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11:05:16 <kimmo_> which brings about another question; I used to have accounts for stocks and funds with total in said security instead of EUR. Is there a way to define a default value calculation method, and display account total in default currency everywhere except the said register?
11:06:28 <kimmo_> (maybe get real time valuation from google finance, hint hint ;) )
11:11:16 <warlord> kimmo_: patches always welcome (hint hint)
11:12:15 <kimmo_> warlord, I'm already working on the income/expense charts stupid-scheme-dismisses-accounts-of-type-a-under-accounts-of-type-b problem, I rarely multitask these days ;)
11:15:19 <warlord> no worries. Just put it on your todo list ;)
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11:25:58 <kimmo_> for fuck's sake
11:26:05 <kimmo_> sorry bout the language
11:34:55 <warlord> This is a family channel...
11:34:57 <warlord> (and logged!)
11:35:48 <kimmo_> heh
11:36:41 <kimmo_> one of my tenants called to complain about an old bathroom cupboard... Funny thing is, a renovator billed me 2 years ago for the replacement and installation
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12:46:32 <lord49> brb thanks
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22:35:26 <fuzzybunny> hey everyone if the imbalance and orphan accounts are empty can I just erase them?
22:38:58 <jsled> yes.
22:39:11 <jsled> though they'll re-appear when required.
22:39:26 <jsled> hopefully they won't be required, though.
22:39:43 <jsled> if you practice Good Data Entry Hygine. :)
22:41:35 <fuzzybunny> oh nice
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22:44:29 <fuzzybunny> how does GNUcash calculate the Profits at the bottom?
22:49:36 <fuzzybunny> and also what are you supposed to do if you buy something and then say you take it back and they use your debit card to reimburse you? How do you classify the transaction in GNUcash?
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22:54:41 <warlord> fuzzybunny: just enter a reverse transaction.. credit expense and debit your checking.
23:18:28 <fuzzybunny> oh ok thanks ;)
23:18:46 <fuzzybunny> <------- non accountant ;)
23:20:01 <warlord> you're welcome
23:32:24 <fuzzybunny> cya guys
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