2009-10-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:28:10 <jess> hi. anybody knows should expenses key under journal batch or purchase batch?
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08:11:03 <Nyger> hello
08:11:15 <Nyger> I have a problem with aqbanking
08:12:01 <Nyger> i installed gnucash (on windows) but when I try to set up hbci it says that it can't find the assistant for aqbanking
08:12:06 <Nyger> do i have to install it manually?
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08:14:20 <Nyger> ?
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08:33:52 <neolaca> hi
08:34:08 <neolaca> i would need some accounting advice please
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09:17:29 <warlord> neolaca: talk to an accountant?
09:18:47 <neolaca> hi warlord
09:18:52 <neolaca> yes please
09:18:55 <neolaca> i would like to
09:19:40 <warlord> That's what I'm suggesting you do.
09:24:59 <warlord> ... as I was suggesting, you should go ask an accountant. (I am not one)
09:25:14 <neolaca> i was wondering if here is one
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10:38:33 <kimmo> hola
10:40:17 <kimmo> quick question: I have an account tree with a placeholder account "Income Statement", of type income. Under this I have all my Income and Expense accounts. Is there a way to get the Expense {Pie,Bar}chart reports to work with this account setup?
10:41:25 <kimmo> (Yes, the Expense accounts are of type "Expense", and I have tried clicking "Select all" on the report options display tab)
10:45:14 <warlord> Why do you have both Income and Expense under it, instead of separate Income and Expense top-levels like in the default tree?
10:48:12 <kimmo> warlord, I've structured it according to the format as required by Finnish Legislation. I could split the top levels up, but then where would still be slight errors as deeper down the account tree we have "financial expenses and gains"
10:49:40 <kimmo> I'm ok with only Expense type trees being selected by default, but select all also selects them Expense type subaccounts of the main Income acct, I think it should thus include them in the report...
10:55:39 <kimmo> gotta go, afk
10:55:52 <warlord> I suspect the report just stops looking once it finds any account type != Expense
12:25:53 <kimmo> that's my initial guess also (but in 1.4 it worked differently, grr ;)
12:26:16 <kimmo> are the reports still in scheme?
12:27:21 <kimmo> will there be a 2.2.10, or are we gonna see a 2.4 sometime soon?
12:28:26 <warlord> 1.4??? How, that was a LONG LONG time ago.
12:28:29 <warlord> yes, reports are in Scheme.
12:28:34 <warlord> No, there will not be a 2.2.10.
12:28:58 <warlord> As for 2.4..... define "soon" -- we're working towards it with the 2.3 releases but we're still working out some kinks in the Win32 and OSX ports.
12:31:49 <kimmo> I know, I've been a user since pre-1.4 times
12:32:22 <kimmo> can't remember exactly cause I've lost my old pre-euro ledger file somewhere, but something like august 1999
12:33:40 <kimmo> hrm, can you give me a pointer to the location of the reports schemes, and a pointer where to look for info on registering my own reports?
12:37:44 <kimmo> I found some still for gnc_ui_custom_report, but surely there must be a drag-and-drop way to add new reports?
12:37:51 <kimmo> s,still,stuff,
12:41:07 <kimmo> I think my wife's not going to like this ;)
12:42:52 <jsled> no, there's no "drag and drop" way to add new reports
12:43:22 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
12:43:43 <kimmo> is there a "cost center" in the roadmap or already implemented in post-2.2.9?
12:46:09 <warlord> What exactly are you looking for in terms of "cost center" support?
12:47:11 <kimmo> I would like to have a cost center attribute in an account, and be able to run reports (balance sheet, income statement) on one or more cost centers
12:47:32 <kimmo> (One of the businesses I own owns and rents out apartments)
12:48:53 <kimmo> would also be nice if a transaction could override the expense/income account's setting, but that's just extra icing
12:50:15 <warlord> No, there's nothing like that.
12:50:42 <kimmo> too bad
12:50:57 <kimmo> then again now that I quit my long time programming job, I have a strange craving to do some hacking
12:50:59 <warlord> Not sure what you mean by overridin the inc/exp account setting
12:52:30 <kimmo> so that I could for example set that all expenses for expense account A go to cost center 1, but that could be overridden in any transaction
13:10:13 * warlord ponders how to even implement something like that within the GnuCash framework..
13:10:54 <warlord> Maybe a tag system, where transactions (splits?) have tags, and an account can have a default tagset that applies to transactions (splits) in that account.. and then you could set the tags on a split-by-split basis..
13:11:10 <kimmo> don't spend too much time on it, it'll be a few years before I get to the point where it's too much manual labor to compile them reports by hand, and by that time I'll be able to just outsource that job to India
13:19:56 <warlord> LOL
13:32:39 <kimmo> right now it's an hour's extra manual work whenever I close the books (Usually once a year, or whenever I need to provide up-to-date financials for lenders), so it's not exactly a big deal
13:40:33 <Mer|in> <3 xkcd
13:41:14 <kimmo> umm, just to make sure, /usr/share/gnucash/guile-modules/gnucash/report/account-piecharts.scm is the engine for Income and Expense Piechart reports? (It has valid-seeming defined, but it dun hurt to ask)
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13:55:53 <kimmo> hrm, my scheme is rusty, but I think I've isolated my problem
13:57:20 <kimmo> can I override the global report-utilities.scm from within .gnucash?
13:57:29 <kimmo> /.gnucash even
13:57:34 <kimmo> ~/.gnucash
13:57:35 <kimmo> heh
13:59:47 <kimmo> hrm, account-piecharts.scm even
14:11:04 <warlord> kimmo: yeah, that should be the place to look.
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14:11:39 <warlord> Umm.. no, I dont think you can override the global report-utilities.scm from within your own datafiles, unless you rename (and re-guid) the reports..
14:11:43 <warlord> But if it's a bug, send in the patch.
14:11:51 <warlord> (assuming it's a bug in 2.3.x)
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14:29:50 <warlord> @nick gncbot
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15:09:06 <kimmo> warlord, are you aware of a 2.3.x rpm for fedora 11 that can co-exist with 2.2.9?
15:09:25 <warlord> Nope.
15:09:36 <warlord> 2.3.x is a test release, I would hope there aren't any RPMs for it.
15:24:05 <kimmo> you'd be surprised of the number of unstable rpm repos out there
15:24:55 <kimmo> does 2.3 configure obey --prefix completely?
15:25:06 <kimmo> I'm kind of partial to my 2.2.9
15:25:38 <kimmo> oh, and is the (uncompressed) file format unchanged?
15:35:48 <warlord> Of course it does.
15:35:57 <warlord> Well, it's mostly unchanged.
15:36:09 <warlord> You can definitely go from 2.2 -> 2.3/2.4. Going back... SHOULD work..
15:37:56 <kimmo> that's good, I don't have to come p with dummy test data then if I get around to compiling the 2.3
15:38:05 <warlord> right.
15:38:23 <kimmo> about the most frustrating part of any development activity by far
15:38:46 <kimmo> *hack* *hack*
15:41:52 <warlord> :)
15:43:37 <warlord> BIAB
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15:44:47 <kimmo> damnit
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15:52:59 <kimmo> one more Q, are the .scm modules reloaded from disk on report evaluation time? (Hoping yes, guessing not ;) )
15:53:19 <warlord> Nope.
15:53:24 <warlord> Loaded at app start-up
15:54:33 <kimmo> hrm, FOSS should be optimized with real-time-hacking made as easy an not frustrating as possible ;)
15:54:50 <kimmo> anyway thanks for the pointers
15:55:04 <warlord> What do you mean?
16:03:30 <gxti_> he means you should do all the work to make his life as easy as possible
16:03:35 <gxti_> lucky for him, he can fix the loader, too!
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16:22:00 <warlord> hehehehe
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21:48:44 <mib_bjty3906> hello
21:49:01 <mib_bjty3906> this may sound like a stupid question, but how to i start with a balance?
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21:50:09 <mib_bjty3906> oops, i accidentally closed the window
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