2009-10-03 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:26:34 <daedeloth> greetings, any Belgian small businesses here?
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07:00:17 <daedeloth> I'm trying to make 2 "head accounts", "balans" and "results", balans holds activa & passiva, results hold income & costs... But what type should these accounts have?
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09:04:35 <warlord> daedeloth: Unfortunately GnuCash doesn't support that kind of hierarchy. You cannot mix Income/Expense with Asset/Liability.
09:23:09 <daedeloth> warlord, yea, I noticed :)
09:23:29 <daedeloth> and my complete lack of knowledge on book keeping isn't helping either ;)
09:25:54 <daedeloth> Am I supposed to copy the whole invoice when adding a received invoice?
09:26:27 <warlord> I'm not sure I understand the question.
09:26:32 <warlord> "copy the whole invoice"?
09:28:58 <daedeloth> I mean, all the items on the invoice. Because in school we just had to write down the final amount and put them in the proper accounts ("VAT" and "delivery guys" (yea, I'm dutch, don't know how to translate in english))
09:33:00 <warlord> That's fine. Well, it's up to you. There's no requirement that you include the full Vendor Bill in GnuCash; You could just enter in the total amount.
09:33:25 <warlord> but if you want to use AP and have the aging reports work you DO need to go through the Vendor Bill Interface.
09:33:32 <daedeloth> great, now I lost my vat somewhere... well, thanks for the help anyway, I htink I'll hire an accountant ;)
09:34:47 <warlord> what do you mean "lost your vat somewhere"?
09:34:54 <warlord> I'm sure the account is still there. ;)
09:35:54 <daedeloth> well, I've managed to move it over to the "deliverie guys" account and it's added to my "office stuff" account, but the vat is somewhere lost :p
09:37:45 <warlord> "move it" how?
09:37:57 <warlord> entering a regular txn or a bill?
09:37:59 <daedeloth> well, not move it, I just added an incoming invoice
09:38:03 <daedeloth> bill
09:38:22 <warlord> Ahh.. Did you setup and apply a Tax Table?
09:38:31 <daedeloth> wait, I don't have a "withdrawable vat" account yet
09:39:03 <daedeloth> oh. no I have... hm, do I have to add that to the tax table somehow?
09:39:30 <warlord> if you want it to compute vat automatically, yes.
09:40:02 <daedeloth> ok, so I've assigned the vat % to the "costs" accounts, but how do I make it add the vat to the "withdrawable vat" account?
09:40:47 <warlord> no no no.. the account in the tax table is where the vat goes to, not comes from.
09:41:05 <warlord> so you'd put your 'vat' account there, not your 'costs' account
09:41:10 <daedeloth> aaaah, ok
09:41:22 <daedeloth> hm, that's probably why my costs account balanced itself out
09:41:59 <warlord> yep
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09:44:43 <daedeloth> is there a way to see all bills?
09:46:14 <warlord> Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill
09:46:33 <warlord> Then [Vendor Name] [Matches Regex] .
09:47:10 <daedeloth> yea, found it. And is it possible to remove bills?
09:48:20 <warlord> Nope.
09:48:30 <warlord> All you can do is hide them by making them inactive.
09:48:41 <warlord> Or you can re-use them by applying them to another vendor.
09:50:26 <daedeloth> aah, alright, got it
09:52:01 <daedeloth> hooray, it's assigned to vat. Great, almost there :p
09:52:42 <daedeloth> ok, another fun thing. My invoice sais "subtotal: 126.45, vat (21%): 26.555. Total: 153.01". gnucash sais it's only 153.00
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09:57:02 <daedeloth> fixed it by supplying the "vat included" amount
09:58:12 <warlord> Yeah, small rounding issue.
10:02:06 <daedeloth> Is it alright if I ask non program related questions here? I've just started a tiny company and I'm not entirely sure how to do some things
10:02:19 <warlord> maybe. ;)
10:03:24 <daedeloth> I accept a lot of paypal payments, and I'm not entirely sure how to handle vat on that one. I guess I just have to pay VAT on the amount I receive and put the paypal costs in "financial costs"?
10:04:25 <warlord> that i dont know..
10:05:31 <daedeloth> heh, alright, thanks for the help though :)
10:06:25 <warlord> you're welcome
10:14:30 <daedeloth> (what does "close book" do?)
10:49:15 <warlord> zeroizes income/expense accounts
10:49:40 <warlord> (into equity)
10:52:13 <daedeloth> ah, yea, I see.
10:53:03 <daedeloth> shouldn't have clicked that then.
10:55:12 <warlord> you can just delete the two txns
10:55:44 <daedeloth> hm, it didn't do anything
10:55:59 <daedeloth> great :)
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11:42:28 <daedeloth> does gnucash have magical ways to import transactions from my online application? (I can write an api for it)
11:44:54 <warlord> It can import from QIF, OFX, HBCI, ...
11:45:25 <daedeloth> will have to google those protocols then
11:46:19 <warlord> QIF is a format, not a protoco.
11:46:26 <warlord> OFX is both a format and a protocol.
11:47:56 <daedeloth> what would be the best protocol to sync my online stats with my offline accounts?
11:48:02 <daedeloth> protocol / format
11:51:45 <warlord> I dont know. QIF is probably the easiest..
12:21:05 <warlord> anyways, i'm off.
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13:17:56 <daedeloth> this is a crazy idea, but what if I sell something to someone without an invoice? like... regular sales? How does that work?
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19:29:42 <sjenkins_> anybody else having failures with quotes from tiaa-cref?
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22:38:56 <Jimraehl> Is there a reason why the scheduled transactions do not copy the Notes field from the original transaction. That means Notes has to be manually copied for each scheduled transaction.
22:54:50 <Jimraehl> New subject: Windows XP compile failed in src/register/ledger-core/*.c GList is not declared in several sources. I wonder if the declaration was made in some module that was removed in the current (Oct 3) set of changesets.
22:55:44 <Jimraehl> Possible headsup on tonight's Windows server build.
22:56:40 <warlord> it's defined in glib.h
22:58:25 <Jimraehl> I ran "dir /s glib.h" on src structure. glib.h not found.
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22:58:51 <warlord> glib.h is in... glib
22:58:59 <warlord> it's not a gnucash sourcefile, it's a dependency.
22:59:51 <Jimraehl> A dependency on ...
23:00:27 <warlord> gnucash depends on glib
23:04:27 <Jimraehl> Oh yeah, I did some research on Glib a while ago. Unfortunately, the web page is not available anymore. Seems strange that GList is suddenly not defined in my build. Have to check around.
23:05:48 <warlord> Yeah, maybe you removed something incorrectly?
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23:10:26 <warlord> Jimraehl: last night's win32 nightly build worked just fine..
23:12:23 <Jimraehl> That was last night. Tonight will tell the story about all the changesets made today. Those include some packages removed...
23:13:28 <warlord> I'm sure that glib wasn't removed.
23:13:38 <warlord> But we'll see...
23:13:45 <Jimraehl> Timeout. Emergency run for ice cream.
23:13:49 <warlord> LOL
23:20:42 <warlord> linas: are you around?
23:20:58 <linas> barely I was about to sleep
23:21:12 <linas> whats up?
23:21:12 <warlord> pm?
23:21:24 <linas> its like 10pm here ..
23:24:36 <warlord> Jimraehl: FYI, my build (on Linux) is still working, so I doubt its a missing dependency or include file.
23:28:56 <warlord> Oooh, a check failed.
23:52:36 <Jimraehl> warlord: It was my typo of GLIst. New build going now.
23:54:01 <warlord> k
23:54:11 <warlord> Yeah, no such type as GLIst. ;)