2009-07-31 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:27:01 <message144> Hi, is there a way to set default billing rates for my customers?
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01:33:40 <warlord> message144: unfortunately no, that part was never fully implemented.
01:39:42 <message144> warlord, im trying to assess if I should commit to Gnucash for my business accounting. I need basic invoicing and reporting. You think it should be fine?
01:40:10 <warlord> depends how many invoices you need to create.
01:40:21 <message144> warlord, about 1 a week
01:41:19 <message144> are there any other reliable FOSS invoicing solutions out there?
01:41:28 <message144> ive had trouble finding anything not requiring a webserver
01:41:56 <warlord> i know of no other (which is why I wrote the business features for gnucash)
01:44:22 <message144> well, based on my own research it seems the Gnucash business features are the best in FOSS.. im coming from MYOB which has a pretty robust business accounting solution.. i guess I don't mind sacrificing a little in exchange for having open data
01:45:18 <message144> warlord, if for some reason the gnucash project was to dissolve or dissapear, would it be difficult to extract the business accounting data?
01:45:53 <warlord> it's all in XML. (or SQL in 2.3/2.4)
01:46:03 <message144> oh cool
01:46:18 <message144> warlord, are their any plans to improve the business accounting?
01:46:26 <message144> or should I assume it will remain as is?
01:47:38 <message144> i wouldnt mind putting up a bounty for certain features
01:47:39 <message144> heh
01:48:32 <warlord> i dont know. it all depends on who steps up and delivers code.
01:49:26 <message144> is gnucash development fairly active these days?
01:50:29 <message144> it seems like it is
01:50:35 <message144> alright well ill cut the questions
01:50:37 <message144> thanks for your help
01:51:00 <message144> id gladly contribute code if i could, but i only do python
01:53:01 <delaman> whats the difference in the database tables between splits.value_num and splits.quantity_num ???
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02:03:50 <warlord> Sorry, system crash (still working on tracking that down)
02:04:01 <warlord> Some parts are more active than others, message144
02:27:44 <message144> Hmm it seems to not be possible to paste text from gedit into the gnucash invoice description field. Is there a workaround for this?
02:28:18 <message144> ahh.. CTRL+V does it, even though the edit>paste is disabled
02:29:06 <warlord> I've always just used the standard drag/select then paste-with-middle-mouse-button.
02:33:22 <message144> Yeah that works
02:33:33 <message144> Does the description field allow line breaks?
02:33:40 <message144> Seems to be cutting off at newline
02:36:32 <warlord> No
02:37:50 <message144> ok
02:38:27 <message144> There are some things I actually like better than MYOB, such as the description field allows a much longer text length
02:45:59 <warlord> In XML the field is unlimited. There are artificial limits in the SQL (I think)
02:46:23 <warlord> BIAB -- breakfast.
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02:50:07 <Jimraehl> message144: see https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2009-July/025896.html for pending Description field line-break enhancement.
02:51:33 <message144> Jimraehl, ok thanks
02:52:52 <Jimraehl> It's just for touch-up editing, but I needed to have multiple lines in Notes. The patch would apply to other text fields too.
02:53:12 <message144> Jimraehl, wow that is recent.. i hope that makes it into the next release
02:53:55 <message144> lucky me
02:53:56 <message144> heh
02:54:08 <Jimraehl> It was always possible to copy-paste multiple-line text fields into a text editor, change there, and paste back.
02:54:50 <Jimraehl> But that takes time.
02:55:51 <Jimraehl> Back to bed now....
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06:06:05 <c> hey all, i'm on debian stable trying to get gnucash built, i've installed libguile-dev but still get issues with it not finding guile. looking at the two bug reports in the error message, slibcat was meantioned...whih is only present in gauche, which is another scheme implementation
06:06:08 <c> so at this point i have NFI what i should do
06:12:48 <c> ahh nvm, i'll just aptitude install it...then work out dealing with all the crap that gets installed
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08:48:46 <jsled> c: "then work out dealing with all the crap that gets installed" ?
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11:08:42 <Simon> ./src/gnome-utils/dialog-options.c: use24 = gnc_gconf_get_bool(GCONF_GENERAL, "24hour_time", FALSE); <-- this looks wrong, the third parameter is a GError **
11:09:15 <Simon> (it seems strange that the compiler would even allow that)
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15:14:36 <Simon> post_date | character varying(14) <-- is the DBI storage ever going to use proper types and have foreign key constraints? :/
15:33:35 <gxti_> hopefull you don't mean foreign key constraints on dates :p
15:33:46 <gxti_> because that would be ... odd
15:34:46 <gxti_> as for data types, some systems have better date types than others, e.g. sqlite basically treats everything like a string while postgres actually does timezones and such
15:34:57 <gxti_> so you end up having a completely different code path to support the dumb ones
15:35:06 <gxti_> and you also get bugs that aren't your fault
15:35:33 <gxti_> and you get better results if you just use numbers instead (or strings, i guess)
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15:36:30 <gxti> that said, for code that only ever runs on postgres, i use native date types
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18:00:03 <unixSnob> say you go on a trip with friends, and pay for everything, and bill everyone. is that best set up as an accounts receivable, or expense account?
18:00:59 <c> jsled: dbus, was mostly what i had in mind
18:01:35 <jsled> unixSnob: treat money you are owed by people as an asset, actually.
18:01:48 <jsled> Which would be the same as A/R, without the overhead of the business functions.
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18:01:57 <unixSnob> okay, thanks
18:02:26 <jsled> c: dbus? "crap"? seriously, in 2009?
18:03:15 * c notes gconf2 is running and mutters
18:05:23 <c> jsled: dbus doesn't offer me anything
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19:14:49 <message144> Is there a way to have gnucash OFX send a non-numeric <ACCTID> ?
19:36:05 <Simon> gxti: but it just seems so pointless
19:36:13 <Simon> why both making gnucash support postgres at all
19:36:41 <Simon> there's no benefit if everything is a string :|
19:37:24 <Simon> surely sqlite can still treat everything like a string while still being told it's a date?
19:37:42 <Simon> just like mysql 4 can let you specify foreign keys that it then ignores
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