2009-07-27 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:15:50 <nehoral> Hi, I started to use gnucash month ago. It is great software. I try to add some old records which I have in plain text. But I am not able to add record with date different to today date. It is not posible to choose another date. Could you help me please. Thank you.
08:16:39 <warlord> What version of gnucash? what OS/Distro?
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09:25:35 <warlord> nehoral: that question was to you, by the way
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10:20:49 <nehoral> ubuntu ibex, gnucash 2.2.6
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10:21:29 <warlord> Hmm, and you can't click into the date column?
10:22:25 <nehoral> Yes I can drop down the date menu, but I can't choose date. If I write date by hand and press tab, the date change to today date.
10:23:20 <warlord> What's your computer locale setting?
10:25:22 <nehoral> cs_CZ.UTF-8
10:30:13 <warlord> Hmm.. I have no idea what the date format looks like in that locale.. What does it look like, and what are you entering?
10:30:47 <nehoral> If I use date in Europa format everything is alright. Until now I use locale.
10:31:19 <nehoral> It same like for Europa. dd.mm.yyyy
10:31:58 <nehoral> After I switch to Europa format of date. I am able add record in the past.
10:32:04 <nehoral> Thanks for help.
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10:37:42 <warlord2> and what do you type in?
10:39:11 <nehoral> For today 27.7.2009
10:39:18 <warlord2> And I appologize for coming and going so much... I've got a kernel panic issue I'm trying to debug, but of course it's somewhat random, and,w ell, it crashes the system.
10:39:37 <warlord2> If you type in 27.7.2009 then of course it's going to give you today.
10:41:33 <nehoral> It was example of date format. If I typed any date for example 1.1.2009. After tab it changed to 27.7.2009.
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10:41:57 <warlord2> what if you just type 1 . 1 <tab> ?
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10:43:20 <nehoral> It changed to 29.11.2008.
10:48:16 <warlord> Whoa! THat's... funky!
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11:16:34 <gxti> and this is why i stick to ISO format
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11:38:56 <warlord> Sorry... hitting a wireless driver bug..
12:03:15 <warlord> nehoral: what happens if you run gnucash in the C locale: env LANG=C LANGUAGE=C gnucash
12:06:15 <nehoral> Everything is ok like I change setting in gnucash (date format).
12:10:37 <warlord> So it works as expected in the C locale?
12:14:30 <nehoral> yes
12:15:12 <warlord> Interesting.
12:15:58 <warlord> I know it works in other European locales, like germany.. But I think they still use a / or -, not a . Maybe it's the . in there that's causing issues?
12:28:10 <nehoral> I don't know what exactly is problem. But the problem is also with drop down menu. You can't move month, year, ... do nothing.
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12:30:39 <warlord> They both use the same underlying date parsing routines.
12:30:41 <warlord> File a bug report?
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12:37:26 <nehoral> How and where?
12:38:08 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla/
12:38:14 <warlord> er, without the trailing slash
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13:13:30 <nehoral> ok. I will do it.
13:14:14 <warlord> Thanks.
13:14:20 <warlord> And I'm sorry you're having issues.
13:14:51 <nehoral> Is possible to have open windows in two rows? I have a lot of diferent accounts and it will be nice.
13:15:11 <warlord> What do you mean "open windows in two rows"?
13:15:25 <nehoral> Sorry for my english. Just a minute.
13:15:55 <nehoral> It is callad tabs?
13:17:06 <warlord> Oh, you want two rows of tabs? Hmm.. Not sure if there's a way to configure that.
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13:17:29 <warlord> There may be a way to configure it to put the tabs down the left side.. Which would let you have more.
13:17:32 <bahadunn> does gnucash support inventory?
13:17:43 <warlord> no
13:17:48 <warlord> well, not really.
13:18:02 <bahadunn> I was looking at gnucash for my business
13:18:12 <bahadunn> but I stock physical items for sale
13:18:14 <warlord> you could hack something together using the stock features, but it's not a real inventory control system.
13:18:23 <bahadunn> hhmmm
13:18:31 <bahadunn> will gnucash support inventory?
13:18:44 <nehoral> Yes. I also don't fine way to configure it. Ok I try put them down to the left side.
13:18:45 <warlord> You're proabbly better off using a real inventory control system and just feeding the data into gnucash for sales and COGS
13:19:17 <bahadunn> any suggestions on an inventory control system?
13:19:35 <warlord> i'm afraid I dont know. Sorry.
13:19:43 <bahadunn> okay
13:19:48 <bahadunn> thanks for the information
13:21:25 <warlord> you're welcome
13:21:37 <nehoral> Thanks warlord for help. I send on sf.net some money. Keep going this nice soft. Bye.
13:21:56 <warlord> Thanks!
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16:47:10 <bahadunn> question
16:47:27 <bahadunn> if I make an invoice for someone for a certain amount + sales tax and then they give me extra
16:47:39 <bahadunn> say the bill is for 20 bucks but they give me 30
16:47:43 <bahadunn> what do I need to do?
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16:58:44 <lenscape> is there some way to import or paste all the lines into an invoice? I have them all in a spreadsheet.
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18:40:00 * puck would love some reports from Gnucash like this - http://www.pocketsmith.com/
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19:32:22 <warlord> bahadunn: umm.. you Process Payment for $30.. Which means you still owe them $10.
19:32:26 <warlord> lenscape: no.
19:33:00 <kfogel> Does GNUcash offer a way to attach an arbitrary tag (like a class) to any transaction?
19:34:35 <jsled> kfogel: no
19:35:41 <kfogel> jsled: thank you
19:35:48 <warlord> You can specify an action..
19:35:55 <kfogel> warlord: *nod*
19:35:57 <warlord> but it;s really not the same as a "class" tag
19:36:16 <lenscape> cheers
19:37:36 <warlord> hiya lenscape
19:38:52 <gxti> if i were to write one patch to gnucash... it'd have to be the Grand Unified Register Mode
19:39:16 <warlord> LOL
19:39:18 <gxti> basic register for two-account transactions, transaction journal for others, and entry using basic mode
19:39:30 <gxti> i can't even use auto-split because then i have to manually double-enter everything
19:40:57 <warlord> What I'd like to have to a special magic-split mode that is a basic register for basic transactions and a journal for split transactions. The only question is what to do for the Blank transaction.
19:42:08 <gxti> yeah, that's exactly what i mean
19:42:51 <gxti> probably just use the split button to add a third split
19:43:02 <gxti> but maybe there's a more elegant way
19:43:43 <warlord> There isn't/
19:44:30 <warlord> But what I want is an auto-expanded view where basic (2-split) transactions only take 1 line of the register, but multi-split (>2 splits) show up expanded.
19:44:50 <gxti> start out with a basic register, then you press a button to use the value you typed as that account's split and start with a blank split
19:44:55 <gxti> something like that
19:45:44 <gxti> and if you auto-complete a transaction that had 3+ splits then you can just start out expande
19:45:45 <warlord> Like I said, I don't know how the blank split should be handled.
19:46:50 <jsled> I'd think it'd work just like Auto-Split, except it should just do the work of updating the "local" split.
19:47:16 <gxti> that works too
19:47:17 <jsled> for editing, that is. There should be a "minimally show all splits" view mode, too.
19:47:29 <jsled> That either shows 1 or >2 rows.
19:47:36 <gxti> it just seems like less of a surprise if you don't show the splits until needed
19:48:17 <gxti> plus they would collapse back down to one line when you moved to the next blank
19:48:58 <warlord> sorry, it's 1.50am. time for bed here. goodnight.
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20:24:15 <kfogel> I thought GNUcash saves in some kind of XML format, but when I've saved this new account I'm creating right now, it generates a bunch of apparently binary files: http://paste.lisp.org/display/84297
20:24:38 <kfogel> Some of those appear to be lock files, which is fine. But the rest are not any format I recognize -- when I look at them in a text editor, they're just garbage.
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20:27:54 <warlord> kfogel: they are gzipped.
20:28:19 <kfogel> warlord: ah. But they don't end in .gz -- in fact, they don't seem to have any suffix at all. ?
20:29:09 <gxti> you can also configure gnucash not to gzip them, which i do because i keep it in source control (mercurial), which works better if it can diff the actual XML
20:29:10 <warlord> yes.
20:29:27 <warlord> gnucash saves the file wherever you tell it. it cares not about file endinds.
20:29:29 <warlord> endings
20:30:08 <kfogel> warlord: THANK you. I'm keeping them under source control too, and like to write my own XML-parsing programs to munge the data sometimes.
20:30:14 <kfogel> warlord: so I will configure it not to gzip too.
20:30:30 <warlord> ok
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20:40:58 <kfogel> warlord-afk: all those .xac and .log files... does it ever clean them up?
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