2009-06-11 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:11:28 <David> Hi, let me have a question: I have an A/R account. I open the account register. There is a column "Type" which can have value I or P.
04:12:47 <David> I record a transaction in the register ... suppose it is an invoice, then I set the Type=I so as it is marked as an invoice.
04:13:17 <David> Now, I can not edit the transaction anymore from within the register
04:14:18 <David> And I can not find it among invoices (Customer>Find Invoice)
04:15:45 <David> Is this expected behavior?
04:17:01 <David> If I am not allowed to enter invoices through register, so, why I can select or change the transaction type at all?
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13:00:34 <dragonbyte> does anyone know how to get gnucash going on OS X? The instructions are a bit vague it seems
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13:07:47 <jsled> dragonbyte: the instructions <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSXInstallation> ?
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13:24:18 <jsled> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10261742-56.html -- "Microsoft to discontinue MS Money"
13:45:27 <dragonbyte> jsled: yes
13:45:37 <dragonbyte> jsled: I am trying to do the jhbuild thing
13:45:42 <dragonbyte> jsled: it seems to be going ok...for now...
13:45:52 <dragonbyte> jsled: had to jump through some burning hoops of badness to get it moving though
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14:04:34 <warlord> dragonbyte: we also dont quite support that method...
14:05:06 <dragonbyte> can I just sit and beg for a simple .dmg file with a nice .app already made? :)
14:06:24 <warlord> Sure, beg all you want, but it aint gonna happen until someone donates the code to generate one.
14:06:49 <warlord> Give me a "build_dmg.sh" and I'll hand you daily .app builds.
14:06:58 <dragonbyte> really!? you promise!
14:07:24 <dragonbyte> http://github.com/jralls/gnucash-on-osx/tree/74e6d2da3fef85fb60798c01918ecfb06f7e795e
14:07:28 <dragonbyte> gnucash-bundler
14:07:34 <dragonbyte> :)
14:07:35 <warlord> Yes.... Give me a script that generates a /working/ GnuCash.app .dmg
14:08:06 <dragonbyte> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSX/Quartz
14:08:10 <dragonbyte> in fact, straight frome gnucash.org :)
14:08:13 <warlord> dragonbyte: that's not a "build_dmg.sh"
14:08:22 <dragonbyte> no its a build GnuCash.app
14:09:28 <warlord> My point is that I'm happy to work with someone to set up an autobuild, but
14:09:32 <warlord> 1) it has to be 100% automated
14:09:39 <warlord> 2) I need to work with the creator
14:09:54 <warlord> 2) it needs to support multiple branches (and potentially multiple sets of dependencies)
14:09:58 <warlord> er... 3
14:10:10 <warlord> So, pointing me to that website isn't useful, unless that's YOUR website..
14:10:37 <dragonbyte> it is what I am attempting to do to build gnucash.app
14:11:00 <warlord> You're still missing my point.
14:11:22 <warlord> I'm happy to add a "packaging/osx" into our source tree.
14:11:52 <warlord> But frankly those instructions dont tell me what I need to pull into our tree, what's an external dependency, what's a configuration (e.g. jhbuild), etc..
14:12:12 <warlord> Also, how does it solve the gconf/scheme search directory problem?
14:12:25 <dragonbyte> honestly I don't fully know myself, I understand 'what' it is doing, just not 'how'
14:12:25 <warlord> actually, gconf/scheme/glade
14:12:36 <warlord> Well, get the author here on IRC.
14:13:02 <dragonbyte> from what I gather it builds the whole gtk thing and then gnucash and then stuffs it all in an .app so gnucash has its own standalone pieces to work with
14:13:16 <dragonbyte> i am building using these instructions for the first time now
14:13:21 <dragonbyte> previously i just used macports
14:14:06 <dragonbyte> the macports quartz only version worked great, but i would kinda like to see if this standalone thing works as advertised so I don't have to rebuild gnucash and all its dependancies when I reinstall
14:15:11 <dragonbyte> i will see if i can make contact with the originator of this stuff
14:15:26 <dragonbyte> I was under the impression he might already be here
14:15:46 <warlord> Tiger is.... 10.4? Or 10.5?
14:15:52 <dragonbyte> 10.4
14:15:57 <warlord> Ah, good.
14:15:58 <dragonbyte> 10.5 is leopard
14:16:06 <dragonbyte> 10.6 is snow leopard
14:16:15 * warlord knows very little about OSX, but has a 10.4.8 "build system" ready for use.
14:16:30 <dragonbyte> I only recently started tinkering, i have been pretty happy so far
14:17:20 <dragonbyte> there was also panther and cougar i believe
14:18:21 <warlord> Aha:
14:18:22 <warlord> Don't move or remove the installation directory (~/gtk/inst by default): Both dbus and GnuCash have links pointing into it which can't at present be changed.
14:22:21 <dragonbyte> huh?
14:23:31 <warlord> That's in bold on the bottom of the wiki page.
14:23:43 <warlord> Amusingly, jralls has never sent a message to gnucash-user or gnucash-devel.
14:24:06 <dragonbyte> i wonder if that note is still the case
14:24:28 <dragonbyte> the latest updates for his scripts and bundler stuff is just from last week or so
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14:28:02 <warlord> The wiki page was last updated Tuesday
14:30:55 <dragonbyte> i am building 21/64 right now so ~40 more things and we will find out :)
14:31:21 <warlord> LOL
14:31:27 <warlord> Have fun...
14:31:40 <dragonbyte> oh it is a blast
14:31:46 <dragonbyte> watching gtk compile is just riveting
14:31:52 <warlord> LOL
14:32:11 <dragonbyte> flashing green text
14:32:17 <dragonbyte> slightly transparent black background
14:32:20 <dragonbyte> what isn't to love?
14:33:09 <jsled> Oh, that reminds me it's my weekly update day.
14:35:50 <dragonbyte> well i suspect this is going to fail :(
14:41:25 <warlord> jsled: updating... gnucash?
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14:41:47 <jsled> world
14:41:59 <jsled> just gentoo system update time for me
14:42:26 <dragonbyte> jsled: you are a sick sick man
14:42:32 <jsled> how so?
14:43:35 <dragonbyte> just give it the -e
14:43:48 <jsled> heh
14:44:15 <jsled> well, no need to do that. :)
14:44:21 <dragonbyte> emerge is the torture porn of package management
14:44:29 <jsled> lies.
14:44:48 <dragonbyte> emerge openoffice then
14:44:52 <warlord> It's better than slackware!
14:45:39 <jsled> dragonbyte: I have in the past, but I usually don't. I will say that when I have, it has built just fine ... it just took forever, and I can't use /dev/shm to do it.
14:45:41 <dragonbyte> warlord: and pet rocks are more qualified than any politician elected in the last few decades...doesn't mean pet rock is a good choice :)
14:46:06 <dragonbyte> jsled: I think mine averaged 6hrs
14:46:34 <dragonbyte> jsled: do you know how much efficiency you have to squeeze out of EVERYTHING on the system to make up for a 6hr compile?
14:47:25 <jsled> what's there to "make up for"?
14:52:33 <dragonbyte> efficiency
14:52:46 <warlord> i think he means the efficiency compared to a pre-built "i686" binary.
14:56:01 <jsled> For that package, sure. And I do use the -bin version of openoffice usually.
14:56:28 <jsled> And have often used the firefox-bin's in the past, though now that xulrunner is properly split out, building firefox is really trivial.
14:56:58 <dragonbyte> firefox was usually a ~30 min build
14:57:15 <dragonbyte> my only real annoyance was that gentoo seemed to break things for me very frequently on upgrade
14:57:30 <dragonbyte> and finding info on gnome was a horrid pain because I wasn't leet and using e17
14:58:17 <jsled> ah. when was this?
14:58:39 <dragonbyte> bout 2 years back or so
14:58:52 <dragonbyte> there was no sane way to clean up unneeded deps too
14:59:08 <jsled> Sticking to non-unstable (except for a short list of keyworded packages) has been really stable. And portage has gotten a bit more sophisticated in terms of resolving some common upgrade pains/conflicts.
14:59:32 <jsled> That, too, does exist ... though it's a bit rough around the edges.
14:59:36 <jsled> But enough Gentoo advocacy. :)
15:00:05 <dragonbyte> NOOOOO!!! stupid jhbuild is suck
15:00:07 <dragonbyte> stuck even
15:00:10 <dragonbyte> though suck is accurate as well
15:00:13 <jsled> heh
15:00:42 <dragonbyte> I love when instructions are so imposisbly vague that you can't get through them successfully without having been the one writing them
15:05:38 <warlord> dragonbyte: that's why I want to try to get an automated shell script that does it all...
15:06:00 <dragonbyte> in theory that is what this is
15:06:08 <warlord> Uh huh....
15:06:20 <warlord> But in practice most theories dont hold up in practice :)
15:06:21 <dragonbyte> I just hate when these magic automated tools go and pull fresh sources from svn/git/whatever
15:06:44 <dragonbyte> when you have to pull down 64 packages why in gods name would you pull the latest rather than a specific version :(
15:08:12 <warlord> That's a good question... And one I would make sure gets fixed in an integrated osx build. It should pull from tarballs, not git/svn
15:57:06 <warlord> I'm still surprised that jralls has never posted to gnucash-user or gnucash-devel or come in here.
15:57:10 <warlord> @seen jralls
15:57:10 <gncbot> warlord: I have not seen jralls.
15:58:27 <dragonbyte> yeah so back to macports for the time being :(
15:58:37 <dragonbyte> what a waste of time :(
16:02:12 <warlord> Didn't work?
16:03:53 <dragonbyte> gconf wouldnt build
16:04:00 <dragonbyte> so had to back out of the whole thing and put macports back on
16:04:06 <dragonbyte> but the macport build takes forever too
16:04:09 <dragonbyte> so it is rebuilding
16:04:21 <dragonbyte> macport works great other than a goffice patch i gotta apply
16:04:25 <warlord> Hey, he responded!!
16:04:32 <dragonbyte> jralls or me?
16:05:27 <warlord> Why would I refer to you as 'he'?
16:05:53 <dragonbyte> because i had just responded and you could have been expressing your shock that someone as glorious as me would continue to speak :)
16:06:08 <warlord> :-P
16:06:13 <warlord> I mean jralls. Check -devel
16:06:29 <dragonbyte> -devel?
16:07:10 <jsled> the gnucash-devel mailing list
16:09:23 <dragonbyte> where can i find that in http?
16:10:02 <jsled> http://lists.gnucash.org/
16:13:28 <dragonbyte> warlord: so daily builds tomorrow right?
16:13:37 <dragonbyte> warlord: complete with a nice shiney Gnucash.app?
16:18:53 <warlord> tomorrow night?? umm, no.
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16:51:59 <dragonbyte> warlord: 12 hours is more than enough time
16:53:05 <warlord> dragonbyte: I'm not going to even dignify that with a response.
16:53:40 <dragonbyte> warlord: but you just did...
16:53:52 <warlord> dragonbyte: don't make me kick you out of here......
16:54:02 <dragonbyte> lol
16:54:10 <warlord> I'm really not in a joking mood.
16:54:47 <dragonbyte> are you guys looking at doing 10.4 and 10.5 builds separately or an all inclusive type thing?
16:55:09 <warlord> I only have a 10.4 system; my hope is that a 10.4 app would work on 10.5
16:55:52 <dragonbyte> I *think* it will
16:56:43 <dragonbyte> I think the only significant difference comes into play during build time. (subversion comes on 10.5 but not on 10.4 for example)
16:57:01 <dragonbyte> a bundled app with built dependencies with it should work fine
16:57:08 <warlord> Right.
16:57:14 <warlord> And I have a 10.4.8 machine..
16:59:09 <warlord> I dont have a 10.5 machine.
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16:59:48 <dragonbyte> I have a 10.5.7 machine that is ready to test a bundled app right away :)
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17:03:54 <warlord> Then work with jralls
17:03:59 <warlord> ... to get it working.
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17:11:02 <dragonbyte> ; ;
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18:46:07 <bfusionx> Hi
18:46:26 <bfusionx> How can I add currencies to GnuCash
18:48:13 <jsled> edit the currencies list in the source and rebuild. :(
18:48:40 <warlord> what currency is missing?
18:49:56 <bfusionx> What file is the currency list in? Oh no I was just wanting to add a custom currency. Lol I wanted to manage finances in an online game with gnucash alongside my real finances and wanted to add the in game currency
18:55:54 <jsled> Maybe just treat it was a commodity, instead?
18:57:04 <warlord> Or re-use an existing currency, like XAU or XXX
18:58:37 <jsled> bfusionx: the file is <src/engine/iso-4217-currencies.scm> though
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22:55:05 <nixiepixel> Hello
22:55:28 <nixiepixel> Is it possible to seamlessly import Quicken files into gnucash?
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22:58:25 <warlord> nixiepixel: define "seamlessly"?
22:58:29 <warlord> Yes, GnuCash can import QIF
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22:58:38 <warlord> But it does require some work.
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