2009-05-26 GnuCash IRC logs

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08:28:47 <Zero> are there any gnucah forums
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09:06:36 <jsled> Zero: web forums? not as such.
09:06:41 <jsled> There are the mailing lists, however.
09:06:51 <jsled> And web interfaces to them could be considered similar.
09:07:18 <Zero> Thats a pity.. its such a great program
09:07:26 <jsled> why is that a pity?
09:07:46 <Zero> Oh..I use Forums a lot...
09:08:15 <Zero> I must join the mailing List.. I'm new to mailing list
09:10:25 <jsled> I think a number of people follow the mailing list through Nabble and gmane … though mostly in a read-only capacity; I need to moderate through postings from nabble users.
09:10:53 <jsled> but, if you want read-only, there are the "native" HTML archives, too.
09:11:20 <Zero> OK..Its just that I seem to ask lots of questions.. I make tutorials you see...
09:12:10 <Zero> I want to make one of my tutorial projects Gnucash
09:12:15 <jsled> Awesome.
09:12:34 <jsled> you might also want to start, then, with the <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ>.
09:12:46 <jsled> And the existing Tutorial and Concepts Guide.
09:12:55 <Zero> I have seen the FAQ
09:13:03 <Zero> Im reading everything
09:13:18 <Zero> I have Gnucash runing in fromt of me
09:13:31 <Zero> Can I show you a link to my installing WAMP tutorial as an example of what I want to do
09:13:47 <jsled> sure
09:13:53 <Zero> http://udopage.com/webdevelopers/udopage_43.php
09:15:48 <jsled> nifty.
09:16:45 <Zero> thx
09:17:38 <Zero> Off topic.. but IM in New Zealand.. where are you jsled
09:17:57 <jsled> US.
09:18:39 <Zero> THat means your are either up late or up early lol
09:19:36 <jsled> it's only 9am … not that early, really. :)
09:20:38 <Zero> do you actually program gnucash or are user
09:21:03 <jsled> I used to develop on gnucash, but I haven't for a while; I mostly just moderate the mailing lists at this point.
09:22:43 <Zero> What Language is gnucash written in .. I use Delphi .. but I like Lazarus ... I think someone tried to port Turbo cash over to Lazarus.. once
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09:31:19 <warlord> It's mostly C, with some Scheme.
09:32:35 <Zero> I think I will join the gnucash-user management mailing list.. Hope they dont mind a few question..
09:33:07 <Zero> Is that the correct forum for someone who wants to learn how to run their business with Gnucash
09:33:17 <jsled> yup.
09:33:32 <jsled> That, and reading/searching the archives. There's a lot of stuff that comes up regularly.
09:33:48 <Zero> Secure Connection Failed maybe I will try againlater
09:34:05 <jsled> what url?
09:34:07 <Zero> Yes..I will read plenty
09:34:13 <Zero> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
09:34:27 <warlord> Zero: are you using Firefox 3?
09:34:35 <jsled> ah. the connection is fine, that's just Firefox's self-signed-cert warning.
09:34:41 <Zero> yep
09:34:45 <jsled> You should feel free to add an exception.
09:34:55 <warlord> Yeah, that's FF3 being STOOPID about self-signed certificates.
09:35:03 <Zero> Same thing happened on IE8
09:35:08 <jsled> Or, smart.
09:35:25 <warlord> Well, it's being way too vocal IMHO.
09:35:33 <Zero> certificate error
09:36:13 <warlord> Zero: the certificate is self-signed; did you add an exception?
09:36:20 <gxti> jsled: "clever"
09:36:25 <gxti> too clever for its own good.
09:36:28 <Zero> nope..I dont know how to do that
09:36:41 <warlord> what does the screen say?
09:36:41 <jsled> it's not at all clever.
09:36:49 <jsled> nor too clever for it's own good.
09:37:05 <jsled> There is zero difference between a self-signed cert and a MITM attack.
09:37:18 <Zero> ok
09:38:23 <Zero> well if you guys need to set up a forum..I know phpBB
09:38:24 <warlord> jsled: that's not true. There is intent, which is very different.
09:38:36 <warlord> Zero: we have no plan to set up a forum.
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09:38:42 <warlord> but thanks for the offer.
09:39:17 <Zero> ;)
09:39:55 <warlord> As for adding the exception, in FF3 it's /relatively/ easy, but it still takes about 4 or 5 clicks to do it.
09:40:09 <jsled> Zero: on the firefox screen where it complains, there's a "Get me out of here" button, and another one that's text I forget. If you click on that, you can choose to get the certificate and add an exception.
09:40:14 <warlord> There's this teeny tiny little link "or add an exception"
09:40:48 <Zero> Yes I see it
09:41:16 <Zero> Which one should I click
09:41:34 <Zero> add exception?
09:41:41 <jsled> yes
09:41:51 <Zero> OK
09:42:25 <Zero> IM in .. thx guys
09:42:30 <warlord> You're welcome.
09:43:03 * warlord wonders if we should add those instructions to the FAQ?
09:44:13 <Zero> Would have help me
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09:58:18 <warlord> Zero: could you take the time to add it to the FAQ? I think you can explain it better than I at this point.
09:58:21 <Zero> Heres a quick tutorial I put togther
09:58:23 <Zero> http://www.udopage.com/gnucash/udopage_7.php
10:05:04 <Zero> I only did that for fun.. Do you me to leave it there..
10:05:42 <warlord> You're welcome to leave it there.. But could you add an entry to the FAQ on the wiki?
10:05:56 <warlord> (assuming you could write it all as text)
10:06:30 <Zero> OK..I have never done a wiki entry.. Yes. Writing as text is OK
10:07:03 <warlord> First time for everything.
10:07:10 <warlord> :)
10:09:11 <Zero> I will do it...I owe you guys thx
10:09:21 <Zero> good to meet you all.. ;)
10:12:23 <warlord> Have a good night. Enjoy the Kiwi evening!
10:13:04 <Zero> Its a Kiwi Morning lol bye
10:13:12 <warlord> Oh? What time is it there?
10:13:21 <Zero> 2.13 am
10:13:42 <warlord> oh. 8 hours behind here.
10:14:40 <Zero> actaully truth be known we are 18 hr in front of you
10:15:00 <warlord> Easier to think about you being 8 hours behind + day
10:15:34 <Zero> lol true..
10:15:34 <Zero> night
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17:36:42 <stevie> good evening
17:41:13 <stevie> i've compiled gnucash 2.2.9 with --enable-hbci ... i have gwenhyfwar and aqbanking installed in /usr/local/gnucash .. during the configure process i've set the PKG_CONFIG_DIR environment to /usr/local/gnucash/lib/pkgconfig/
17:41:44 <stevie> configure works fine and gnucash compiles without any complaints...
17:42:02 <stevie> but when i start gnucash, i can not access the hbci configuration...
17:42:25 <stevie> anybody got an idea why?
17:42:36 <jsled> does configure actually see the libs?
17:43:09 <stevie> it seems so, because when i dont set the environment variable, configure complaints, that aqbanking needs to be installed...
17:43:26 <stevie> with the env, configure works fine
17:43:50 <jsled> where are you --prefix'ing gnucash into?
17:44:01 <stevie> ... /usr/local/gnucash
17:44:25 <stevie> i want everything, what i install in connection to gnucash in this prefix directory...
17:44:29 <jsled> try /opt/gnucash or something. I think gnucash might get confused between /usr/ and /usr/local/
17:44:41 <stevie> hm..
17:45:09 <stevie> should i also install the aqbanking and gwen... into /opt ?
17:45:23 <jsled> not necessarily.
17:45:37 <stevie> ok, i'll give it a try...
17:47:19 <stevie> after some tries, i have also created symlinks in /usr/lib/pkgconfig to the aqbanking.pc and gewn...pc files in /usr/local.... i thought maybe this will be a problem...
17:47:29 <jsled> I would not do that.
17:47:47 <jsled> adding to PKG_CONFIG_DIR is what you want to do.
17:47:59 <jsled> Note "add", not "set".
17:48:16 <jsled> (unless it's unset, I guess)
17:48:20 <stevie> PKG_CONFIG_DIR is not set in my standard env...
17:49:13 <stevie> but its better to set the env...
17:49:23 <stevie> i'll delete the symlinks
17:50:55 <warlord> try --enable-aqbanking ?
17:50:55 <stevie> maybe i should also distclean the gnucash source directory... who knows...
17:51:07 <stevie> i thought enable-hbci is the same?
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17:51:29 <warlord> it should be...
17:51:56 <stevie> PKG_CONFIG_PATH or PKG_CONFIG_DIR ?
17:52:50 <stevie> PATH was the on i used before
17:53:22 <stevie> checking for aqbanking >= 3.0.0 gwenhywfar... yes
17:53:22 <stevie> checking AQBANKING_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/gnucash/include -I/usr/local/gnucash/include/gwenhywfar3
17:53:22 <stevie> checking AQBANKING_LIBS... -L/usr/local/gnucash/lib -laqbanking -lgwenhywfar
17:53:26 <warlord> stevie: what OS/Distro are you using?
17:53:31 <stevie> just for your information ...
17:53:37 <stevie> debian stable...
17:53:45 <warlord> try apt-get build-dep gnucash ?
17:53:53 <warlord> Oh, that wont pull down AqB
17:53:53 <stevie> hmm...
17:54:06 <warlord> but it'll pull down everything else..
17:54:15 <stevie> i have the problem, the my bank has changed the hbci version and blocked my key...
17:54:19 <warlord> and then you can manually install the aqb -dev packages
17:54:46 <stevie> and with the debian packages and hbci 3.0 i got an error, downloading the server-key ...
17:55:21 <stevie> the bank-technician says, that this seems to be an error with old versions... he dont know really
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17:55:36 <stevie> and i said to myself, give the new aqbanking version a try
17:56:03 <stevie> but this is a good idea, maybe there is something else missing
17:56:14 <stevie> but first i give /opt a try ;-)
17:56:34 <stevie> Options detected/selected
17:56:34 <stevie> -------------------------
17:56:34 <stevie> gnucash version ...... : 2.2.9
17:56:34 <stevie> Build for host ....... : i686-pc-linux-gnu
17:56:34 <stevie> Optional components....: aqbanking
17:56:35 <warlord> I highly recommend using /opt
17:56:56 <stevie> configrue says, everyhting fine...
17:57:11 <stevie> so i start to compile...
18:06:20 <stevie> the output from the compile process also mention the right directories for the aqbanking and gwen libs...
18:06:50 <warlord> Cool.
18:06:54 <warlord> That's a good sign
18:07:07 <stevie> hopefully ;-)
18:10:11 <stevie> hmm... make install compiles many things... why?
18:10:40 <stevie> hmm..
18:10:49 <stevie> not really a compiles process...
18:10:52 <stevie> libtool ....
18:11:05 <stevie> now the install is finished...
18:11:11 <jsled> there's a lot of re-linking.
18:12:20 <stevie> hmm...
18:12:24 <stevie> this doesnt works :-(
18:12:38 <stevie> i dont have hbci-configuration under tools ...
18:13:02 <stevie> ok, next try... apt-get build-dep gnucash
18:13:33 <jsled> stevie: just to be clear, how are you starting gnucash?
18:13:42 <jsled> And, when you do, what's printed to the console?
18:15:54 <stevie> stevie@gw:/opt/gnucash$ export PATH=/opt/gnucash/bin/:$PATH
18:15:54 <stevie> stevie@gw:/opt/gnucash$ LC_ALL=de_DE gnucash
18:15:54 <stevie> Found Finance::Quote version 1.13
18:16:29 <jsled> /opt/gnucash/bin/gnucash will suffice.
18:16:38 <stevie> i need the other LC_ALL because of my already existing gnucash file...
18:16:49 <stevie> and my local environment...
18:17:27 <stevie> the is nothing more printed on the console then: Found Finance::Quote version 1.13
18:17:56 <jsled> try with --debug, perhaps?
18:18:06 <jsled> strace it to make sure it's loading the /opt/gnucash/ libs instead of the /usr/ ones?
18:18:07 <stevie> mom plz
18:18:31 <stevie> i've not changed the directory for aqbanking and gwen ...
18:18:31 <jsled> Give it --version just to make sure it's returning the version number you expect?
18:18:53 <stevie> GnuCash 2.2.9
18:18:53 <stevie> Build vom 2009-05-27, Revision r17949M
18:18:57 <stevie> this is the one ;-)
18:19:05 <jsled> well, I'm thinking of the gnucash libraries that in turn would load the aqbanking libraries
18:19:40 <stevie> hmm...
18:19:43 <stevie> this could be
18:19:53 <stevie> --debug does nothing more...
18:20:16 <stevie> does i have to compile debug option into gnucash for this to work ?
18:20:22 <jsled> nope
18:20:38 <stevie> hmm...
18:20:43 <stevie> ok, i strace...
18:20:46 <jsled> uh, that's weird. --debug should spew all sorts of stuff to the console.
18:21:11 <jsled> Ah.
18:21:30 <jsled> try `gnucash --debug --logto stdout`
18:21:42 * jsled forgets how the logging works by default.
18:22:31 <stevie> open("/opt/gnucash/lib/gnucash/libaqbanking.so.16", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
18:22:31 <stevie> open("/opt/gnucash/lib/libaqbanking.so.16", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
18:24:16 <stevie> hmm...
18:24:57 <stevie> according to strace gnucash tries to open libaqbanking.so.16 ...
18:25:54 <stevie> but in /usr/local/gnucash/lib i only have the libaqbanking.so, libaqbanking.so.28, libaqbanking.so.28.0.0 ...
18:26:38 <stevie> whats the difference between .so.16 and .so.28 ?
18:26:58 <jsled> 12. :)
18:27:20 <stevie> ;-)
18:27:26 <jsled> the part after the .so is the version. Usually, the version is changed only for backwards-incompatible API changes.
18:27:53 <stevie> so should i just creat a symlink ?
18:27:58 <jsled> no.
18:28:04 <jsled> Creating symlinks is pretty much always wrong.
18:28:25 <jsled> There's a reason they're different files.
18:29:14 <stevie> debug with log to stdout give much ...
18:29:26 <stevie> i have to redirect the output...
18:29:37 <jsled> well.
18:29:42 <jsled> you can use the normal shell redirection.
18:29:55 <jsled> without --logto, it's actually logging into /tmp/gnucash.trace
18:30:13 <jsled> Or, you can say "--logto /path/to/specific.file" if you want.
18:30:52 <stevie> * 00:29:46 WARN <gnc.module> Failed to dlopen() '/opt/gnucash/lib/gnucash/libgncmod-aqbanking.so': libgwenhywfar.so.38: Kann die Shared-Object-Datei nicht <F6>ffnen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
18:31:08 <stevie> * 00:29:48 MESSG <gnc.module> Could not locate optional module gnucash/import-export/aqbanking interface v.0
18:31:47 <jsled> you might want to set LC_MESSAGES=C, but you can probably read the error well enough. :)
18:32:28 <warlord> Looks like you have multiple versions of AqB installed.. and possibly even multiple -dev copies.
18:32:40 <stevie> yes... the german error says, can not open shared object file, file not found ...
18:32:42 <stevie> hmm...
18:32:55 <stevie> so i should do a find to aqbanking.so ?
18:33:25 <jsled> it's libgwenhywfar.so.38 that's missing, though, eh?
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18:33:49 <stevie> right...
18:34:24 <stevie> /usr/local/gnucash/lib/libgwenhywfar.so /usr/local/gnucash/lib/libgwenhywfar.so.47 /usr/local/gnucash/lib/libgwenhywfar.so.47.8.1
18:34:41 <stevie> there seems to be different versions installed
18:35:06 <stevie> pn gwenhywfar-tools <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden)
18:35:06 <stevie> un libaqbanking-plugins-libgwenhywfar <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden)
18:35:06 <stevie> rc libaqbanking-plugins-libgwenhywfar38 2.3.2-2~etch.1 library for online banking applications plugins to libgwenhywfar
18:35:06 <stevie> pn libaqbanking-plugins-libgwenhywfar47 <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden)
18:35:09 <stevie> pn libchipcard-libgwenhywfar47-plugins <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden)
18:35:12 <stevie> rc libchipcard2-libgwenhywfar38-plugins 2.1.9-3 crypttoken plugin to libgwenhywfar
18:35:15 <stevie> un libchipcard3-libgwenhywfar38-plugins <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden)
18:35:20 <stevie> rc libgwenhywfar-data 2.6.1-1~etch1 OS abstraction layer
18:35:23 <jsled> stevie: please use a pastebin in the future.
18:35:23 <stevie> rc libgwenhywfar38 2.6.1-1~etch1 OS abstraction layer
18:35:26 <stevie> un libgwenhywfar38-dev <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden)
18:35:29 <stevie> rc libgwenhywfar38c102 2.5.4-1~sarge1 OS abstraction layer
18:35:36 <stevie> rc libgwenhywfar47 3.8.0-1~lenny.1 OS abstraction layer
18:35:40 <stevie> but i think everything from debian is removed...
18:35:41 <stevie> ok
18:35:53 <jsled> Also, I'd bet all those /usr/local/gnucash/lib/libgwenhywfar*.so are really the same 47.8.1.
18:36:05 <jsled> The other two less-specific files are just symlinks to "47.8.1"
18:36:26 <stevie> right
18:36:39 <jsled> Anyways, yeah, that's a bit of a mess. You should clear that up. :)
18:37:15 <stevie> i first try to locate the other libs...
18:38:53 <stevie> in /usr/lib i've got an libaqbanking.so.16.1.2 and corresponding symlinks...
18:39:18 <stevie> 2. Apr 2006 <-- very old file
18:40:03 <stevie> libaqhbci.so.10.0.1 <-- also and libaqnone.so.0.0.0
18:40:15 <stevie> all from the same date
18:41:07 <stevie> i try to move them to another directory...
18:41:21 <jsled> er.
18:41:25 <stevie> is there any other programm, which depends on aqbanking ?
18:41:37 <jsled> don't try to work around your package manager.
18:42:22 <jsled> also, ask your package manager: what packages depend on those aqbanking packages...
18:43:09 <stevie> gw:/usr/lib# dpkg -S \*libaqbanking.so.16.1.2
18:43:10 <stevie> dpkg: *libaqbanking.so.16.1.2 nicht gefunden.
18:43:33 <stevie> how to search for packages, containing a specific file?
18:44:00 <stevie> i think this was the right syntax ...
18:44:14 <jsled> I don't know apt
18:44:22 <stevie> and according to dpkg there isnt any package...
18:44:38 <stevie> hmm...
18:45:33 <stevie> i try moving them away, because dpkg says, there isnt any aqbanking package installed... and no packes owns these files...
18:45:47 <jsled> why move them away?
18:45:52 <jsled> either remove the package or leave it be.
18:46:05 <jsled> but don't subvert your package manager.
18:46:39 <jsled> I mean … do whatever you want, it's your box. :) But I strongly discourage you from doing so. :)
18:47:08 * jsled headslaps
18:47:10 <stevie> the package manager says, there isnt any package to remove, for getting rid of these files ;-)
18:47:17 <jsled> sorry. I see what you're saying.
18:47:55 <stevie> should i recompile?
18:48:26 <andrewsw> stevie: apt-file search libaqbanking.so.16.1.2 might help
18:49:04 <stevie> thanks andrewsw ... i'll give it a try
18:49:17 <andrewsw> requires a little setep before it will work.
18:49:46 <andrewsw> but if you're looking for an installed file, dpkg -S should work for you.
18:50:07 <stevie> but dpkg -S says, there isnt any file installed with this name...
18:50:08 <andrewsw> the not found means that no currently installed package includes that file
18:50:12 <stevie> i need to recompile...
18:50:26 <andrewsw> good luck
18:50:33 * andrewsw leaves again
18:50:36 <stevie> thx ;-)
18:54:19 <stevie> i'll take a shower during the compile process...
18:54:23 <stevie> brb
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19:31:07 <stevie> hurray...
19:31:11 <stevie> it seems to work
19:31:18 <stevie> there is the hbci configuration...
19:31:38 <stevie> now i try to use the "new" hbci 3.0 ...
19:34:49 <stevie> it works ;-)
19:35:10 <stevie> grml
19:35:45 <stevie> hmm...
19:36:55 <stevie> printing of the ini-letter doesnt work ...
19:37:21 <stevie> the qt-wizard closes unexpected ...
19:38:33 <stevie> so, how to get the ini-letter again ?
19:48:21 <stevie> In file tools/qgarray.cpp, line 150: Out of memory <-- grml... OOM while preparing a print job... *grml*
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20:04:55 <stevie> i've done it...
20:05:00 <stevie> thanks for your help
20:05:09 <stevie> gn8
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20:09:32 <ipeters> Wow! It's been some time since I've taken a look at gnucash. I'm still using Quickbooks 6 (circa 1998). It's a lot more "ergonomic" than what it used to be in the past. Nice!
20:10:17 <ipeters> I'm trying 2.2.7 and I see that if there's a transaction with a similar description in the past, it fills in all the other fields with the same values. E.g. amount, account, etc.
20:10:52 <ipeters> I wish there was a way to skip from field to field with the ENTER key instead of using the TAB.
20:11:05 <ipeters> I know I'm getting picky now :)
20:11:42 <warlord> enter actually Enters the transaction.
20:12:10 <warlord> It generally means "go to the next line", whereas tab really does mean "go to the next field"/
20:12:18 <ipeters> I understand
20:13:12 <ipeters> I also like the completion of the accounts: if you type EXP and then a COLON it completes a portion of the account name for you
20:13:54 <warlord> right.
20:14:40 <ipeters> Now if only there was a way for me to get my old Quickbooks 6.0 transactions into Gnucash. But I think that'd be painful.
20:14:59 <ipeters> Maybe I'll just switch over at the end of the FY and start fresh.
20:15:10 <ipeters> Or do you have any tips for converting?
20:15:54 <warlord> I'd recommend starting fresh.
20:16:12 <ipeters> Right.
20:16:23 <ipeters> Oops. Gnucash has just frozen up on me.
20:16:47 <ipeters> Menus don't work. Cursor is not blinking anymore.
20:16:58 <ipeters> I can still move the window though, so the OS is fine.
20:18:04 <ipeters> never mind, it's all good. A pop-up appeared asking "Save file automatically?" but it popped up in the background as I was typing here. Gnucash wouldn't continue until I answered the question (modal)
20:19:19 <ipeters> One thing I've never been crazy about is the CUSTOMER and JOBS list. You are forced to enter search criteria. Is there a way to just tell it show 'em all?
20:21:59 <warlord> matches regex .
20:24:29 <warlord> anyways, I need to head out. BBL
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20:24:43 <ipeters> Thank you.
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22:10:07 <ipeters> Does anyone know where I can grab GCINVOICE, a utility to let me print Gnucash invoices using Latex? The old link http://www.smoerz.org/gcinvoice doesn't seem to work anymore
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23:18:27 <nbinont> I've got a reporting question. I'm trying to get a report showing transactions with a specific cheque number, effectively filtering the report on cheque number similarly to how the report is filtered on date.
23:19:28 <nbinont> I started by looking at transaction.scm and found the section under gnc:report-starting reportname where begindate and enddate are defined.
23:21:00 <nbinont> but I'm not sure where to go from here. Somehow I want to add in an extra filter...
23:21:38 <nbinont> Any tips?
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