2009-05-11 GnuCash IRC logs
00:00:14 <warlord> Yes..... You need to tell it where to find the price quotes.
00:00:27 <arlie> get quotes --> "no commodities marked for quote retrieval"
00:00:45 <arlie> err - how would I know?
00:01:02 <warlord> .. means you didn't configure quotes
00:01:09 <arlie> have some paper statements, but doubt it can read those ;-)
00:01:16 <warlord> nope.
00:01:26 <warlord> If you wanted to check the price online, where would you go?
00:01:29 <arlie> right - have always entered values from statements, back with quicken
00:01:38 <arlie> well, I probably would not
00:01:40 <warlord> Well, you can enter prices by hand.
00:01:53 <warlord> (in the price editor)
00:02:23 <arlie> ah - which is the thing that doesn't know what securities I have, even though the accounts asked for security names
00:05:31 <arlie> OK, I think I'm at least pointed in the right direction
00:05:35 <arlie> sort of
00:05:50 <arlie> suspect there's a key conceptual assumption I'm not getting though
00:06:29 <arlie> will RTFM for a bit, idling here. Might pop up with new questions as I go though
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00:08:52 <arlie> by the way, what's wrong with this web page - getting a lot of  (expanded)
00:09:40 <arlie> plus various other special characters that aren't working right. suspect some dubious html
00:10:01 <warlord> what website?
00:10:08 <arlie> yep - embedded special characters instead of using the web abbrevs ;-)
00:10:21 <arlie> http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.0/C/gnucash-guide/invest_accounts1.html
00:10:53 <warlord> Oh, Hmm.. I might not have properly re-configured that.
00:11:01 <arlie> think whoever wrote it maybe presumed heir own locale or something
00:11:32 <warlord> Anyways, as for the pricedb -- I dont know what you're expecting to see. If the DB is empty it's not going to list anything. Just click "Add" and select the stock/fund you want to enter the price for.
00:11:41 <arlie> it's readable
00:11:43 <warlord> No, it's ISO
00:12:03 <warlord> The old web-site said ISO. The new one probably says UTF8.
00:12:17 <arlie> ah - that would certainly confuse my browser
00:12:35 <arlie> didn't check headers and such, just glanced at page source
00:12:42 <warlord> right. Check the headers
00:12:59 <warlord> Oh, wait -- www.gnucash.org -- that
00:13:04 <warlord> s a completely different animal
00:13:18 <warlord> anyways, it's bedtime for me.
00:13:19 <arlie> don't tell me I'm in the wrong place?
00:13:35 <arlie> ok, thanks for your help, I think I have most of what I need
00:13:37 <warlord> No.. but there are two servers, www and cvs
00:13:48 <warlord> both have docs available.
00:13:51 <arlie> ah
00:14:17 <arlie> wasn't going to try dealing with cvs - last time I tried to set up remote cvs, a battle ensued, mostly involving a corporate fire wall
00:14:26 <arlie> ;-)
00:14:51 <warlord> nevermind, you dont understand what I meant.
00:14:55 <warlord> I dont mean CVS
00:14:58 <warlord> I mean cvs
00:15:07 <warlord> (the gnucsah server)
00:15:07 <arlie> ah, yep, I _don't_ understand
00:15:11 <arlie> ah
00:15:19 <arlie> just colour me confused
00:15:33 <arlie> will rtfm and see if I get anywhere
00:15:44 <arlie> at least I'm hopefully looking in right place now
00:15:52 <arlie> and thank you
00:17:02 <warlord> you're welcome
00:17:03 <warlord> g'night
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06:19:47 <lorenzo> Bonjour
06:20:07 <lorenzo> J'ai quelque question sur les facture dans gnucahs
06:20:47 <lorenzo> Il y a quelqu'un qui a du temps?
06:26:52 <lorenzo> I have found a bug, with who I must say?
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06:34:12 <oob> hello
06:35:32 <oob> i'd like to use gnucash to interact with my accountant. Does anyone out there do this?
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11:33:55 <linas> warlord, so ther's a new release manager?
11:34:33 <warlord> Yeah, phil longstaff.
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11:55:48 <linas> ok
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16:32:55 <elysch> Hello.
16:33:14 <elysch> jsled: Remember I had problems with the column names last friday?
16:33:46 <elysch> well... I got it fixed.
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16:35:13 <Rolf> What do I need to change in the source code to prevent gnucash from trying to be smart about timezones and dates I entered?
16:35:55 <elysch> what was happening is that all the accounts detail had "debt,credit" instead of the presonalized titles of each account type
16:36:04 <elysch> what I did was:
16:36:06 <elysch> 1) uninstall
16:36:15 <Rolf> I want gnucash to use the date as I entered it, this whole timezone business is ridiculous for dates I explicitly entered and where no information accurate to the hour was ever given
16:36:28 <elysch> 2) rename c:\documents and settings\user\.gnucash
16:37:27 <elysch> 3) rename c:\documents and settings\user\ .banking, .gconf, .gnome2, .gnome2_private, .gnucash
16:37:47 <elysch> 4) renamed my "files" directory
16:37:52 <elysch> 5) re-install
16:37:59 <elysch> every thing got working again
16:38:04 <elysch> hope it helps someone
16:38:22 <warlord> Rolf: the problem is that the data file stores a Timespec.
16:38:32 <warlord> (not a GDate)
16:39:00 <warlord> ... we save off an ISO-8601 timestamp...
16:39:42 <warlord> fixing this is a backwards-and-forwards-compatible way is not a simple matter. :(
16:43:12 <Rolf> OK
16:43:28 <Rolf> But from what I see "fixing it" has kind of stalled
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16:43:42 <Rolf> Maybe sometimes it's necessary to break API
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16:45:48 <warlord> It's not just breaking API.. It's breaking the data file!
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16:49:04 <Rolf> Alright, so it's even worse
16:49:10 <warlord> right...
16:49:19 <Rolf> But what is being done to make sure this is eventually fixed?
16:49:28 <warlord> I dont know.
16:49:40 <Rolf> Just because it was broken once doesn't mean it should stay broken for compatibility reasons
16:49:55 <warlord> Oh I know. Have you read the bug report discussion?
16:50:04 <Rolf> Yes
16:50:10 <Rolf> But it's been a while
16:50:23 <Rolf> My impression is that nobody knows how to move forward
16:50:32 <warlord> There was an attempt to come up with some reasonable ways to detect the broken case and migrate it forward, but last I heard that didn't work well and caused other issues. And AFAIK nobody is actively working on it.
16:50:49 <warlord> I believe that the move to SQLite will fix it. ;)
16:50:50 <Rolf> yes, my impression as well
16:50:57 <Rolf> Are you serious?
16:50:58 <warlord> (Phil does the right thing)
16:51:18 <Rolf> I think sqlite is even worse (at least a little bit)
16:51:36 <Rolf> Because the way the data is stored does not make sqlite think it is actually time data
16:51:47 <Rolf> Mysql can handle it nonetheless
16:51:57 <warlord> It's NOT a time data.. It's a date. You dont want it as time-data!
16:51:58 <Rolf> But I don't want the mysql overhead if I can avoid it
16:52:28 <Rolf> to sqlite it's just a string, that is my point
16:52:32 <Rolf> no semantics
16:52:35 <Rolf> for sqlite
16:52:54 <Rolf> "20080820220000" is what it is
16:53:06 <warlord> I dont want to get into a philosophical argument about RBDMses
16:53:35 <Rolf> me neither
16:54:54 <warlord> IMHO we should just store the data at UTC always and ignore the TZ, and never do any TZ conversions.
16:55:53 <Rolf> Currently, the way the data is stored it's a string, gnucash interprets it as time, while it should be a date. So far correct?
16:56:00 <Rolf> ACK, I think so, too
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21:12:27 <xvzf> I have not been able to get the bayesian filter to match any of my transactions loading from a QFX file. Is there a minimum number of transactions that need to be categorized first?
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23:14:19 <garyk> Is it possible to have the patch for bug #564928 backported to 2.2.6? I have all my business records in gnucash and this bug crashes gnucash every time I start it. I run Debian and who knows how long it will take for Debian to catch up. Right now they are almost a year behind in version numbers.
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23:45:01 <warlord> garyk: you need to ask that of Debian. The GnuCash releases dont have the bug.
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23:58:40 <garyk> The Debian devs say it needs to be done upstream as they won't/can't backport the patch. That's why I asked here.