2009-05-08 GnuCash IRC logs

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05:58:23 <Zero> How do you rename an account
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08:28:17 <mib_itkzh2> multiple copies of my work are saved whenever I click "save". how do I solve this problem?
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10:45:01 <beginner> Good morning, GC experts!
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10:46:28 <beginner> Can the GC-user mailing list be split into 3 separate lists, eg Windows, Linux (or whatever), Common (for cross-platform questions such as accounting principles etc)?
10:47:55 <beginner> I am asking because I use and know Windows only, and find many emails per day from my subscription to the User mailing list on Linux/Unix stuff....
10:49:12 <beginner> Better yet, would it be possible to change the Mailing List structure to a Forum structure that seems to work well with so many other (paid?) software programs?
10:52:32 <jsled> 4 lists would suck.
10:53:18 <jsled> re forums vs. mailing lists … *shrug* I don't think web forums are generally very good. I prefer mailing lists, myself.
10:53:47 <jsled> I guess there are web-forum-like views of the mailing lists (nabble, gmane, even the gnucash.org web archives) if you want to roll that way.
10:53:53 <jsled> I doubt we'd switch.
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11:05:20 <beginner> Just a suggestion. I hope I can soon become a "power user" and not worry about mailing lists :-)
11:06:34 <beginner> Meanwhile, are there any aqbanking/OFX experts in the "room"? I am struggling with getting bank transactions and balances...
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11:21:37 <beginner> How to filter entries in an account to show by date in descending order (latest on top)?
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16:09:20 <elysch> Hello all.
16:09:34 <elysch> I think the GUI spanish translation is wrong
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16:09:43 <elysch> I can see in the manual at:
16:09:53 <elysch> http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.0/C/gnucash-guide/cbook-together1.html
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16:11:02 <elysch> the contents of a checking account that first appears "deposit" then "withrowal"... and in spanish those collumns are called "debe" and "haber" that, if I understand it correctly, means the oposit
16:11:19 <elysch> I was looking for a bug, but couldn't find any
16:11:35 <elysch> could someone confirm if this is wrong or not?
16:12:00 <elysch> Is there a way to force the gui in english?
16:12:29 <jsled> set the environment variable LANG (or maybe LANGUAGE) to "en_US" to force that locale
16:13:01 <elysch> could this be done only for gnucash?.... (by the way... it's win xp pro, and gnucash 2.2.9)
16:13:46 <jsled> if you set the envionrment varialbe is a shell, then it will only affect apps started as children of that shell.
16:14:09 <elysch> I see... ok, I'll try
16:14:10 <elysch> thx
16:14:25 <jsled> But, looking at es.po, the translations are msgid "Deposit" -> msgstr "Entrada" and msgid "Withdraw" -> msgstr "Salida"
16:14:38 <elysch> wierd
16:14:58 <elysch> since I installed, I've been seing some parts in english and other in spanish
16:14:59 <jsled> "Haber" is "Credit" and "Debe" is "Debit".
16:15:09 <elysch> the accounts examples are in english, sometimes
16:15:18 <elysch> yes
16:15:41 <elysch> so, deposit is the oposit of "debe"
16:15:51 <elysch> right?
16:16:41 <jsled> I can never remembmer. Double-Entry can be counterintuitive with respect to "Debit" and "Credit".
16:17:14 <jsled> Specifically, for Asset accounts.
16:17:27 <jsled> To increase the value of an asset account you Debit it.
16:17:46 <jsled> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-entry_accounting#Debits_and_credits
16:18:05 <elysch> I've just started in english, and it says: Debt, Credit... instead of Deposit,Withrow
16:18:12 <jsled> If you're really looking at a Checking register in the app, then you should be seeing the "Deposit"/"Withdrawl" labels.
16:18:23 <jsled> So, that indicates that the account isn't really a Checking or Bank account type.
16:18:36 <jsled> Can you find the account in the Account Tree and see what Account Type it is?
16:18:42 <elysch> oh... The example accounts had the types all wrong
16:19:00 <elysch> so I had to fix them by hand (after they had a few transactions)
16:19:13 <elysch> in the account tree.. it says "bank"
16:19:29 <elysch> but initially it sayd income
16:19:48 <jsled> The example accounts … huh?
16:19:54 <elysch> maybe, I will have to start over... oh, noooo. lol
16:19:58 <elysch> yes... the standard one
16:20:07 <elysch> also the credit card, had income type
16:20:24 <jsled> Is this es_ES or es_MX ?
16:20:39 <elysch> let me see
16:21:03 <elysch> I opened a cmd window, and executed "set"
16:21:06 <elysch> and it says
16:21:07 <elysch> LANG=ES
16:21:16 <elysch> my locale is set to Mexico
16:21:29 <jsled> I'm not sure it matters, but … regardless, my español is very rusty; what's the name of the checking account?
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16:21:54 <jsled> Or the credit-card account … tarjeta de crédito sounds right.
16:22:06 <elysch> it was created in english: "Checking account" and I modified to "Checking account 274"
16:22:18 <jsled> k
16:22:28 <jsled> huh.
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16:22:31 <elysch> it's wierd...
16:22:41 <elysch> when I installed it... all the examples where in english
16:22:49 <elysch> then, I don't know wy
16:22:55 <elysch> they appeard in spanish
16:22:59 <jsled> Hmm. The account examples are definitely localized.
16:22:59 <elysch> and today again in english
16:23:17 <elysch> (I created this file today)
16:23:22 <jsled> But in both es_ES and es_MX the "Tarjeta de crédito" account is of type CREDIT
16:23:32 <jsled> I'm not sure how or why it'd be showing up as income.
16:23:36 <jsled> Or Checking as Bank.
16:23:50 <elysch> let me open it again in spanish
16:24:30 <elysch> yes... the type column appear in spanish as "Banco" and "Tarjeta de Credito"
16:24:32 <jsled> You should be able to adjust the types so they're correct, then the registers will have more sensible labels for the credit/debit columns which – as I say – can be counter-intuitive in double-entry.
16:25:02 <jsled> correct or maybe "more specific", depending.
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16:25:19 <elysch> hmmm... maybe, I will have to uninstall it and install it again
16:25:43 <jsled> I doubt that.
16:25:50 <jsled> I mean, that won't affect anything
16:26:24 <elysch> it have been closed unexpectedly a few times
16:26:31 <elysch> maybe something got corrupted
16:26:32 <jsled> that shouldn't affect anything either
16:26:45 <elysch> I wouldn't it's possible though
16:28:03 <elysch> but the columns say "debe, haber" instead of something similar to "deposit,withrawl"
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16:30:02 <jsled> Hrm. So, type=Bank is correct for a checking account. There's no more specific type.
16:30:08 <elysch> and, when opened with "LANG=en_US" it says "debit,Credit" instead of "deposit,withrawl"
16:30:27 <elysch> yes, couldn't find anything more specific
16:30:52 <elysch> in the example it also says type=bank
16:30:55 <jsled> And this is the account register you're opening? By double-clicking on the account? Not the Tools > General Ledger ?
16:31:04 <elysch> yes
16:31:08 <elysch> double-clicking
16:31:48 <elysch> I'll make a test... I'll create a file without accounts
16:31:55 <elysch> and create them mannually
16:32:17 <jsled> yeah, I just started in LANG=es and it worked fine.
16:35:24 <elysch> What I did was: file/"new file", then I clicked on cancel in order to stop the "druid"
16:35:39 <elysch> then I clicked on "file/new accounts page"
16:35:47 <elysch> and added a "bank" account
16:35:51 <elysch> double clicked it
16:36:01 <elysch> and it says "debt,credit"
16:36:14 <elysch> instead of "deposit, withrawl"
16:36:17 <elysch> wierd
16:36:30 <elysch> (I have LANG=en_US, now)
16:38:29 <elysch> in the about form : This copy was built from r17949M on 2009-02-23.
16:38:39 <elysch> is there any newer version=
16:38:40 <elysch> ?
16:38:54 <jsled> 2.2.9 is the latest stable
16:39:36 <elysch> you have installed "2.2.9" version?... what the collumns are named in your installation?
16:39:42 <elysch> (a bank account)
16:39:56 <jsled> deposit/withdrawal.
16:40:03 <elysch> veeeery wierd
16:40:38 <jsled> can you maybe take a screenshot?
16:40:43 <elysch> sure
16:40:51 <elysch> how could I give it to you?
16:41:31 <jsled> imagebin.ca/
16:41:58 <jsled> http://img523.imageshack.us/
16:42:37 <elysch> ok
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16:45:39 <elysch> its uploading (56k, and it takes sooo long)
16:45:48 <elysch> http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1097/gnucashguiely.jpg
16:45:56 <elysch> -> http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1097/gnucashguiely.jpg
16:46:47 <jsled> can you go to the accounts tab, enable the "Type" column, and sshot that?
16:46:53 <elysch> I forgot to copy also the acounts tab
16:46:58 <elysch> ok
16:49:19 <elysch> uploading
16:49:34 <elysch> http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9361/gnucashguielyaccountsta.jpg
16:51:39 <jsled> huh.
16:51:56 <jsled> So, even if I make it a top-level acccount, I still have deposit/withdrawl.
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16:52:24 <jsled> even if I change the account currency to be not-locale-specific, I still have "deposit/withdrawl".
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16:52:44 <elysch> veeeery wierd...
16:54:48 <elysch> windows.... hmmmm... I'll tray uninstalling, rebooting, installing... even if it makes no sense..... or do you have any other idea?
16:55:00 <elysch> tray = try (sorry)
16:55:10 <jsled> No, I'm stumped. I'd probaby try some other account types, too.
16:55:24 <elysch> ok... lets see with credit card
16:55:25 <jsled> Most of the account types have type-specific column lables
16:55:36 <jsled> Expense is a good one, too … it'll be "Expense" and "Rebate"
16:55:59 <elysch> it says "debt, credit"
16:56:06 <elysch> ok... expense...
16:56:51 <elysch> also debt, credit
16:57:14 <elysch> "be carefull... we are entering the twylight zone"
16:57:16 <elysch> lol
16:57:17 <elysch> :D
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16:59:44 <elysch> Something else?... I've got nothing else, but uninstall it and re-install it
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19:21:43 <JFB> Hello
19:23:35 <JFB> Question: I have a transaction I'm not sure how to record. I have two accounts, a cash account (call it A) and a loan from a friend account (call it L). I'm buying somethign that the friend is paying for, I want to log in in my expenses, but it reduces the balance in A and increases the balance in L. How do I do this?
19:24:43 <JFB> Oh, wait, I think I see how to do it... use a split transaction involving A, L, an income account and the expense account.
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19:26:22 <jsled> JFB: if your friend is paying for it, how does it come out of your cash account?
19:26:52 <JFB> hmmm
19:27:13 <JFB> my friend has a interest free loan from me basically
19:27:39 <jsled> is it a loan from a friend, or two a friend?
19:27:41 <jsled> s/two/to/
19:27:45 <JFB> to
19:28:03 <jsled> Ah. your original statement said "from".
19:28:11 <JFB> Ah, sorry
19:28:15 <jsled> In any case, how is it your Expense, if it's for him?
19:28:22 <JFB> I made several typos and errors in my sentance
19:28:27 <jsled> I'd go Asset -> Liability.
19:28:33 <jsled> Except.
19:28:50 <JFB> hmmm
19:28:52 <jsled> Usually loans to friends are considered Assets.
19:28:56 <JFB> yes
19:29:03 <JFB> so it'd be asset -> asset
19:29:06 * jsled nods
19:30:21 <JFB> I also have a question about creating accounts (I just started using gnucash so I'm still figuring out how to really use it). When I create a Liability account that has an initial balance, I should take that initial balance out of equity correct?
19:30:30 <jsled> yup.
19:30:38 <jsled> all initial balances are against equity
19:30:38 <JFB> cool
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19:32:01 <JFB> I need to finish reading the documentation. I found a typo on one page, where should I report it?
19:33:12 <jsled> bugzilla, or gnucash-devel. In either case, preferrable with a path.
19:33:14 <jsled> patch.
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19:34:17 <JFB> Ah, I'd need to find the documentation on how to get the documentation source and the documentation on how to make a patch... :)
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20:32:33 <Bob> hi there!
20:36:35 <Bob> I have talked with Jsled last night about setting up an account hierarchy for agricultural accounting purposes...I still had 1 question related to that: would you think of any way I could somehow track "inventory", (I am fond of Gnucash and would like to somehow be able to stick to it). Maybe some external program into which I could somehow feed Gnucash data..... or would it be better to switch to another software altogether (e.g. those that use MySQL
20:36:35 <Bob> )?
20:44:17 <Bob> a lot of "somehows", but does someone, somehow, have an idea? :)
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21:28:55 <beginner> Hi GC Experts! I have a mortgage with a fixed amount automatically deducted on the 1st day each month from the checking account.
21:29:41 <beginner> In the amount deducted, the principal increases a little each month and, conversely, the interest decreases a little.
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21:30:08 <beginner> From my checking account, I see a nice fixed amount deducted on the 1st of each month.
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21:31:28 <beginner> In GC, following the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, I set up a mortgage loan account and an interest account.
21:31:52 <beginner> The checking account looks good with "auto payment" each month for the fixed total amount.
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21:33:20 <beginner> How can I tie the mortgage and interest accounts to see the total, and how can I tell GC to automatically calculate the principal amount each month so I can see in a year or two what balance in the mortgage account I still owe the bank?
21:35:17 <Bob> yes, I would like to do the same as "beginner". So far, I've been entering each month my mortgage payment, but it would be nice to have it automated.
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23:27:32 <pattern> how can i look at general ledger transactions for previous months?
23:28:51 <pattern> nevermind...
23:28:54 <pattern> i figured it out
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