2009-05-06 GnuCash IRC logs
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06:38:27 <enriq> ah nevermind I figured it out... sorry
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07:14:27 <beginner> Dear Gnucash Experts, if a bank allows Quicken or MS Money for electronic access, will I be able to use GnuCash for online access to accounts in this bank? If yes, which one should I choose, Quicken or MS Money? Thank you!
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09:00:30 <sfalanga> I have a question but I'm not sure if it's an aqbanking question or a gnucash question: Is there a way to get the OFX import to remember the bank SSL cert?
09:00:57 <sfalanga> Each time transactions are imported you have to click "YES" to accept the cert. Thought?
09:01:04 <sfalanga> Thoughts*?
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10:14:14 <enriq> Hello. I´d like to use this budgeting strategy: http://allmybrain.com/2008/12/15/better-budgeting-with-gnucash/comment-page-1/#comment-883
10:14:30 <enriq> but I want to avoid entering the split transaction by hand
10:14:49 <enriq> is there any macro/extension support on gnucash to do such things?
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10:46:23 <sfalanga> Here's a link to my announcement re: GnuCash presentation @ public library here in Fort Myers, FL - FYI
10:46:25 <warlord> jsled.. could you op gncbot?
10:46:27 <sfalanga> http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/grp/1155552166.html
10:46:36 <warlord> (and reset the topic?)
10:46:39 *** jsled changes topic to "Free GPL Personal and Small Business Accounting || Please don't ask to ask, just ask and wait! || publically-logged channel || latest stable: 2.2.9"
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10:46:52 <jsled> gah.
10:46:57 <warlord> sfalanga: cool.
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10:47:34 <warlord> @nick gncbot
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10:47:38 <warlord> @op
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10:47:42 <warlord> @op chris
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10:47:53 <warlord> thanks, jsled
10:48:51 <sfalanga> warlord: I have question(s), can I ask here?
10:49:27 <warlord> sfalanga: don't meta-ask. just ask.
10:50:29 <jsled> beginner: it's not a hard-and-fast "yes" in terms of gnucash/aqbanking being able to access the bank.
10:50:54 <jsled> beginner: you can get a sense from <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings> of what works, and in what circumstances, &c.
10:51:03 <sfalanga> Each time I pull transactions it asks for my PIN. There is a checkbox to "remember" the pin but it doesn't persist between GnuCash sessions. Is this a bug or by design
10:51:29 <sfalanga> ?
10:51:33 <warlord> sfalanga: I'm afraid I dont know.. You might want to ask on gnucash-de?
10:51:35 <warlord> (mailing list)
10:52:07 <sfalanga> warlord: thanks, will do.
10:52:42 <warlord> sfalanga: I suspect bug.. but I dont know if it's us or AqB.. And really only the german HBCI code uses that.
10:55:43 <sfalanga> warlord: so Aqb writes /all/ the "backends" because licensing prevents gnucash team from hooking libraries (... or something?)
10:55:45 <warlord> jsled: i found out what's up with all the mailman bounces into my inbox. Apparently mailman changed how password reminders are handled.
10:56:07 <warlord> sfalanga: something like that.
10:56:36 <sfalanga> warlord: so AqB is most likely to have the answer regarding why "remember" ain't rememberin'?
10:57:03 <warlord> sfalanga: not necessarily. I dont know how GnuCash hooks AqB, or who is asking for the PIN.
10:57:15 <sfalanga> warlord: gotcha
10:57:53 <sfalanga> warlord: I have other questions but I have time so I'll ask in the mailing list. Thanks.
10:59:31 <warlord> if they're not hbci-specific you could still ask here. or on the list.
11:05:53 <warlord> jsled: so basically what I need to do is go through all the bounces and manually re-enable mail delivery for all those bouncing users so the list-bounce processing removes them. BLAH.
11:09:39 <jsled> :(
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11:18:16 <cedayiv> This never got answered on the email list or on IRC yesterday, so just trying again...
11:18:18 <cedayiv> Any idea why 'make' is failing with *** No rule to make target `16x16/gnucash-icon.png', needed by `all-am'?
11:18:37 <warlord> Yeah.. Even worse, for low-traffic lists like -announce or some of the languages, there isn't enough traffic for bounces to get them removed automatically. So it'll take me a couple months to get it all cleaned up. YAY MAILMAN!
11:18:52 <warlord> cedayiv: did you try re-running autogen?
11:18:55 <warlord> (and configure)
11:19:24 <cedayiv> Yeah, I blew away build completely, did svn up on the repos, autogen.sh and then configure
11:19:49 <cedayiv> But I'll run it again now just to make sure
11:21:10 <warlord> IIRC it /might/ be a problem with 'make clean'
11:21:20 <warlord> (where it destroys something that wont get re-created)
11:21:46 <cedayiv> Well I never ran make clean or make distclean
11:22:02 <cedayiv> I just blew away everything in build
11:22:40 <cedayiv> Yeah, same result today
11:23:08 <cedayiv> Here are my steps:
11:23:35 <cedayiv> cd ~/gc
11:23:37 <cedayiv> rm -r build
11:23:43 <cedayiv> mkdir build
11:23:45 <cedayiv> cd repos
11:23:47 <cedayiv> svn up
11:23:50 <cedayiv> ./autogen.sh
11:24:11 <cedayiv> cd ../build
11:24:13 <cedayiv> ../repos/configure -C --prefix=$HOME/gc/install --disable-glibtest --disable-dependency-tracking --enable-hbci --enable-ofx
11:24:21 <cedayiv> make
11:25:08 <cedayiv> Normally I don't blow build away but I did it this time because it had been so long since an 'svn up' and I wanted to start completely over.
11:28:11 <warlord> Oh, you use a completely separate builddir..
11:28:14 <warlord> Hmm...
11:28:16 <warlord> I've never tried that.
11:28:28 <cedayiv> Yeah, it has always been fine until now
11:29:18 <cedayiv> You normally run all that stuff right in the repository?
11:29:20 * warlord uses an lndir tree
11:30:08 <warlord> let me try it again...
11:30:14 <warlord> and if it works i'll try it your way.
11:35:02 <cedayiv> And the error message is true... in build/src/pixmaps/makefile, the rules to build the png's are commented out
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11:39:35 <warlord> works for me in an lndir tree.
11:40:32 <warlord> I wonder if "building from svn" is true or false for you?
11:40:51 <cedayiv> Me too... seems like it must be false
11:42:13 <cedayiv> But from the build dir, running ../repos/util/gnc-svnversion ../repos returns 18066, exit status 0
11:42:28 <cedayiv> which is correct
11:42:53 <warlord> Check BUILDING_FROM_SVN in config.h?
11:43:13 <warlord> er.. hmm
11:43:44 <cedayiv> Nothing like that in config.h
11:43:54 <warlord> yeah, i know. sorry.
11:44:11 <warlord> did configure test for swig?
11:44:17 <warlord> (check your config.log)
11:44:34 <cedayiv> configure:16171: checking for ../repos/src/swig-runtime.h
11:44:36 <cedayiv> configure:16188: result: yes
11:45:06 <warlord> Ah, so BUILDING_FROM_SVN is no!
11:45:16 <warlord> ${srcdir}/util/gnc-svnversion ${srcdir} >/dev/null 2>&1
11:45:17 <warlord> if test $? = 0 ; then
11:45:17 <warlord> BUILDING_FROM_SVN=yes
11:45:17 <warlord> # We need at least version 1.3.31 of SWIG because
11:45:17 <warlord> # that's when SWIG doesn't barf on the "inline" keyword in C headers anymore
11:45:18 <warlord> AC_PROG_SWIG(1.3.31)
11:45:19 <cedayiv> Must be
11:45:19 <warlord> else
11:45:21 <warlord> BUILDING_FROM_SVN=no
11:45:24 <warlord> # Make sure we've got swig-runtime.h and gnc-svninfo.h
11:45:25 <warlord> AC_CHECK_FILE(${srcdir}/src/swig-runtime.h, [],
11:45:27 <warlord> [AC_MSG_ERROR([
11:45:30 <warlord> ...
11:45:33 <warlord> Fix that.
11:45:37 <warlord> ... because that's the source of your problem.
11:45:53 <cedayiv> OK but the first line: ${srcdir}/util/gnc-svnversion ${srcdir} >/dev/null 2>&1
11:46:00 <cedayiv> That passes from the command line
11:46:24 <warlord> But it clearly doesn't pass from configure.
11:46:26 <cedayiv> right
11:46:40 <warlord> Maybe ${srcdir} isn't set correctly at that point?
11:46:54 <cedayiv> I'll stick in a debugging line and see
11:51:03 <cedayiv> DEBUG: srcdir=../repos
11:51:15 <cedayiv> So srcdir is correct
11:51:35 <cedayiv> Something else is wrong
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11:54:05 <warlord> Put in some more echoing to see what the output is? Maybe output a $CWD?
11:54:13 <warlord> (or `pwd`)
11:54:30 <cedayiv> OK, good idea, I'll try that
11:55:06 <warlord> Also echo the two branches to verify where you are?
11:55:07 <cedayiv> Aha..
11:55:13 <cedayiv> dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _iconv_open
11:55:15 <cedayiv> Referenced from: /usr/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib
11:55:17 <cedayiv> Expected in: /opt/local/lib/libiconv.2.dylib
11:55:18 <cedayiv> dyld: Symbol not found: _iconv_open
11:55:20 <cedayiv> Referenced from: /usr/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib
11:55:21 <cedayiv> Expected in: /opt/local/lib/libiconv.2.dylib
11:55:23 <cedayiv> ../repos/util/gnc-svnversion: line 41: 19033 Trace/BPT trap svnversion "$real_srcdir"
11:55:24 <cedayiv> DEBUG: status returned=133
11:55:26 <cedayiv> This is a mac thing...
11:55:36 <warlord> Ummmmmm
11:55:37 <cedayiv> Lemme try something
11:55:55 <cedayiv> That output was being redirected to /dev/null by configure, so I never saw it
11:58:47 <warlord> Right... Well, the normal output would be '18245' or whatever the revision is.
11:59:37 <warlord> Check the PATH of the script compared to where you actually have svnversion..
12:00:00 <cedayiv> Yeah it works from the command line but apparently not from configure
12:00:45 <warlord> Sounds like an Env problem.
12:00:49 <warlord> @op cedayiv
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12:01:06 <cedayiv> Yep now I have to figure that out... fun
12:02:02 <warlord> Enjoy!
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12:12:10 <cedayiv> The answer was to run 'unset DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH' before configure
12:13:56 <warlord> Oh. Okay.
12:14:02 <cedayiv> Never would have guessed that from make's error message, so thanks for stepping me through the debug.
12:14:10 <warlord> You're welcome. :)
12:16:35 <warlord> See, you should hang out here more often. ;)
12:17:13 <cedayiv> Yeah, since I swapped from Windows to Mac, I hadn't gotten around to installing all the usual stuff yet
12:17:22 <cedayiv> Just downloaded Firefox a week ago
12:18:14 <warlord> Gotcha.
12:18:48 <cedayiv> On my PC it would set me up as an op as soon as I connected. Not sure how to get that back.
12:19:08 <cedayiv> Andreas stepped me through it but of course now I've forgotten how
12:19:57 <warlord> I think you need to re-register or identify yourself to gncbot
12:20:08 <enriq> hello. Does gnucash allow for any macro when entering a transactions? I need to enter most transactions as split, but they all have some ¨default¨
12:20:10 <cedayiv> Setting my user name to something other than 'chatzilla' would probably help.
12:20:56 <warlord> enriq: I'm not sure what you mean by "allow for any macro".. could you elaborate?
12:21:00 <warlord> cedayiv: that could help, yeah.
12:21:23 <jsled> enriq: it does autofill the splits/values transactions that have the same memo.
12:21:28 <cedayiv> I'll set it and reconnect and let's see what happens
12:21:43 <warlord> ok
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12:21:52 <enriq> warlord, jsled I want to track my budget like this: http://allmybrain.com/2008/12/15/better-budgeting-with-gnucash/comment-page-1/#comment-883
12:22:14 <enriq> basically there are liabilities accounts for the budget
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12:23:33 <enriq> and each expense registration has a split transaction from an asset account to the budget-liability account
12:24:03 <enriq> together with the normal registration (e.g. from checkings to food)
12:24:08 <jsled> enriq: See that last screenshot/example there?
12:24:40 <jsled> If you enter it like that, then come back and make a new transaction and start typing "Groc", it'll match the Description and pre-fill all the splits and values as per the last one.
12:25:05 <enriq> jsled: yes, the problem is that it enters 37.50 4 times
12:25:21 <jsled> right.
12:25:22 <enriq> next food expense will almost certainly have another amounts
12:25:24 <jsled> and it is a problem.
12:25:38 <jsled> there's nothing over and above that except for an as-painful use of the scheduled transactions.
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12:30:39 <enriq> jsled: so you suggest that scheduled transactions could be used to fill that ¨37.50¨ and the default acounts?
12:31:32 <jsled> yes, though it is painful.
12:31:41 <jsled> More specifically, the scheduled transaction's "template" support variables.
12:31:56 <jsled> So, you could setup those splits as such, with "amount" instead of the actual value.,
12:32:10 <jsled> When the Scheduled Transaction (SX) is created, it'll prompt you for the value of "amount", and fill it in.
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12:32:18 <jsled> Including simple formula/expressions.
12:32:27 <jsled> But … there's no simple way to create an SX immediateyl.
12:32:57 <jsled> You'd have to adjust the frequency to something that would create it now, then go and run "Since Last Run", then fill it in, then go bakc and un-schedule the SX.
12:32:59 <jsled> Total PITA.
12:33:14 <jsled> It's going to be easier to just figure out how to edit the auto-filled transactions using the keyboard quickly.
12:33:39 <enriq> I see
12:33:41 <jsled> When I was entering especially grocery transactions, I could adjust all the values in just a few seconds with the arrow keys and 10-key entry for the numbers.
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14:38:55 <elysch> Hello all. I have a problem with GNUCash 2.2.9 on WinXP pro. I imported foreign currency transactions (don't know if this is important: from a QIF generated with an OpenOffice macro from a csv downloadad from my bank). When I try to modify any transaction to split it into more rows than it had before, it keeps asking me for an exchange rate.
14:39:06 <elysch> All the accounts have the same currency, ofcourse
14:40:43 <elysch> What is odd, is that, if I just change the accounts already in the transaction, it doesn't ask me for the currency exchange rate (if the accounts are in the same currency), but if I try to add a new splited row, even with the same tested accounts, it displays the currency exchange rate dialog
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14:41:30 <elysch> I'm a complete newbe ... I hope I'm not asking a very dumb question...
14:42:24 <warlord> When you imported what currency did you select in the QIF Importer?
14:42:27 <elysch> Has anybody seen this behavior?... What could I be doing wrong?
14:42:38 <elysch> the same as the accounts.
14:42:42 <warlord> Also, what is your computer's locale setting?
14:42:46 <elysch> my default currency is mexican peso
14:42:56 <elysch> and all those transactions are in us dollars
14:43:17 <elysch> my computer locale setting is mexico... mexican peso
14:43:45 <elysch> I mean... I imported with us dolars
14:43:45 <warlord> Well, that's why it's asking for an exchange rate, from the Peso to USD
14:44:07 <elysch> but the debt and credit accounts are in usd
14:44:23 <elysch> couldn't I simply use usd amounts there?
14:45:20 <warlord> Sure, but GnuCash is complaining because you're not. You'r eusing a mix.
14:45:39 <elysch> how could I verify the currency of the imported data?
14:49:57 <warlord> There's no way to see the transaction currency in the UI; You'll have to uncompress and read your data file.
14:50:12 <elysch> ok... I'll. do dat to verify.
14:50:14 <elysch> thanks
14:50:16 <elysch> hmmmm
14:50:18 <elysch> what I tryed to explain before is this: Imagin I have a transaction with a withrowal from: Income:USD:Client1 and a deposit to Assets:USD:Bank1 . If I edit the transaction and just change the deposit account to: Assets:USD:Bank1:sub account1 there is no problem
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14:51:28 <elysch> If I then test it, by changing the deposit account to Assets:USD:Bank1:ub account2
14:51:33 <elysch> there is no problem either
14:51:42 <elysch> both accounts are in usd
14:52:20 <elysch> the problem comes if I want to split it to have some of the money to Assets:USD:Bank1:ub account1 and some of the money to the Assets:USD:Bank1:ub account2
14:52:49 <elysch> it asks the exchange rate when I'm trying to add the second one (doesn't matter if it's the account1 or account2)
14:53:06 <elysch> Do I explain myselve?
14:53:16 <elysch> (sorry for my poor english)
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14:54:49 <warlord> My first guess is that the txn is denoted in Peso
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14:57:19 <elysch> wow... I uncompressed the file, and found mexican peso there... in the transactions from my last import... I can't believe it ... I'll try it again
14:57:26 <elysch> thank you very, very very much
14:57:46 <elysch> I don't know why, I remember specifying usd
14:57:57 <elysch> sorry for the waste of time
15:01:13 <elysch> Can I just change the currency in those transacctions. and pack it again? I would break things, right?
15:02:03 <warlord> It might break things.. I would never hand-edit a data file.
15:03:34 <elysch> lol...thx
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15:22:43 <elysch> Hello again
15:23:12 <elysch> I have just imported again my statement, on a backed up file... before my last import
15:23:41 <elysch> and it still have the transactions in pesos, instead of usd, as I specified
15:24:04 <elysch> I mean... the imported transactions should be in usd
15:24:16 <elysch> because I used USD on the import
15:24:26 <elysch> Any ideas?
15:24:42 <elysch> GNUCash 2.2.9 on WinXP pro
15:24:50 <warlord> With 2.2.9, I dont know.
15:24:56 <warlord> cedayiv: any ideas?
15:28:59 <elysch> sorry... I was talking with warlord a few minutes a go...
15:28:59 <elysch> my problem is that I can't make changes to the already existing transactions
15:28:59 <elysch> (sorry, again.. didn't notice you (warlord) was asking cedayiv
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15:30:39 <warlord> elysch: Yeah, I was asking him to look at your issue. He's the QIF guru
15:30:53 <elysch> oh,nice... thx
15:33:17 <warlord> @op cedayiv
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15:33:50 <cedayiv> I'm back but briefly
15:34:54 <warlord> Did you see elysch's question and background info?
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15:35:35 <cedayiv> I agree; it sounds like the txn currency is pesos
15:36:07 <warlord> I thought the qif importer used the selected currency as the txn currency?
15:36:31 <cedayiv> I'm not sure... certainly it asks what the currency in the QIF file is
15:36:52 <cedayiv> So it expects all the accounts to use USD if you answered USD
15:37:20 <cedayiv> But maybe the txn currency still gets defaulted to pesos somehow
15:37:23 <cedayiv> I'll have a quick look at the code
15:39:17 <cedayiv> LOL... yep, the txn currency is always the default... look at the comment:
15:39:30 <cedayiv> ;; FIXME. This is probably wrong
15:39:31 <cedayiv> (xaccTransSetCurrency gnc-xtn (gnc-default-currency))
15:40:04 <cedayiv> This is from qif-to-gnc.scm
15:40:46 <warlord> Okay.
15:41:40 <cedayiv> It seems like it should just use the user-specified currency. All the accounts involved in the txn are required to have the same currency the user specified
15:42:03 <cedayiv> So if you were entering these transactions in the register, they would have that same txn currency
15:42:26 <cedayiv> Seems to me that the txn currency and the split currencies should all be the same for QIF import
15:43:21 <cedayiv> It must have been like this for ages and ages. I'm surprised there was no bug reported for this.
15:47:19 <cedayiv> He could change the one line... use default-currency instead of gnc-default-currency
15:47:33 <cedayiv> So you would have:
15:47:38 <cedayiv> (xaccTransSetCurrency gnc-xtn (default-currency))
15:48:55 <elysch> let me see
15:48:57 <elysch> thank you a looot
15:49:16 <cedayiv> Try making that change to qif-to-gnc.scm, then restart GnuCash
15:49:55 <elysch> I was just asking how... lol
15:49:58 <cedayiv> You can just use Notepad to edit it
15:50:01 <elysch> ok... let me see
15:51:40 <cedayiv> I have to go for about 10 minutes
15:52:44 <elysch> ok... I'll let you know
15:52:49 <elysch> what happened
15:52:50 <elysch> :)
15:54:54 <elysch> hmmm... it says "A bug was detected while converting the QIF data"
15:55:36 <elysch> my changes are:
15:55:38 <elysch> ;; FIXME. This is probably wrong ;; ESL!!!
15:55:49 <elysch> (xaccTransSetCurrency gnc-xtn (default-currency))
15:56:04 <elysch> it doesn't let me import the data
15:56:33 <elysch> oh.... I'll have to tell him this again, when he has returned.... ok
15:56:36 <cedayiv> Yeah that's the right change...
15:56:48 <cedayiv> Can you tell me what is in the newest gnucash.trace file?
15:56:52 <elysch> oh, you are here.... nice
15:56:58 <elysch> let me see
15:57:00 <cedayiv> There should be debugging information there
15:58:34 <elysch> should I look for that file in my "files" directory, or in the gnucash installation
15:58:37 <elysch> can't find it
15:59:06 <cedayiv> try windows\temp
15:59:16 <elysch> oh, ok
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16:00:03 <cedayiv> Or search your whole disk for any file that starts with "gnucash.trace"
16:00:40 <elysch> I'm looking for it in documents and settings\user
16:00:42 <elysch> first
16:03:58 <elysch> nop... didn't find it... let my try outside
16:06:01 <cedayiv> Actually don't worry about it
16:06:09 <cedayiv> I can reproduce the problem here
16:06:15 <elysch> :)
16:06:40 <elysch> well... it's searching the whole hard disk... if I find it soon, i'll let you know
16:06:54 <cedayiv> qif-to-gnc.scm:383:49: Wrong type to apply: #<swig-pointer gnc_commodity * 1768d2f0>
16:07:07 <elysch> oh,... very fast
16:07:37 <cedayiv> I'll just have a look and figure out why that's wrong...
16:07:58 <elysch> thx
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16:09:44 <cedayiv> OH duh.... please remove the inner set of parentheses from the line
16:09:53 <elysch> lol
16:09:53 <elysch> oko
16:09:56 <elysch> ok
16:10:00 <cedayiv> It should be: (xaccTransSetCurrency gnc-xtn default-currency)
16:10:06 <cedayiv> Sorry
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16:13:16 <cedayiv> You'll have to restart GnuCash too
16:13:33 <elysch> yesssss
16:13:38 <elysch> it worked now
16:13:46 <elysch> thank you very much... very much
16:14:13 <cedayiv> You're welcome. Thanks for finding the bug.
16:14:21 <elysch> nice to help the comunity..
16:14:22 <elysch> :)
16:14:30 <cedayiv> I think I'll go ahead and make this change for everyone
16:14:39 <elysch> :)
16:14:39 <elysch> nice
16:15:07 <elysch> If I can help you any further... just let me know
16:15:35 <cedayiv> I'm just really surprised that it hasn't been discovered before (not to my knowledge anyway)
16:16:05 <elysch> Maybe not many people import foreign currency accounts
16:16:15 <elysch> I mean statements
16:16:46 <cedayiv> Probably not, but it has been this ways for years and years. Well it will be fixed now.
16:17:00 <elysch> lol
16:19:07 <elysch> I did some other changes after my first import... do you think there is an easy way to fix that curency error in the "file" I discovered the problem?... if not, I can make those changes again, it's not a lot of work
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16:22:47 <cedayiv> warlord: Hmm, I'm not sure what to do about the transactions that are already wrong
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16:23:04 <warlord> I'm not sure either.
16:23:09 <warlord> Delete and re-import?
16:23:12 <warlord> Start over?
16:23:22 <warlord> I dont know if hand-editing the data file will work right.
16:23:28 <cedayiv> Certainly you could delete them and re-import. I think the only way to change them is hand-editing.
16:23:43 <elysch> ok... thanks
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16:25:14 <cedayiv> I would go with delete & re-import personally
16:25:35 <cedayiv> Sorry. Bugs suck.
16:32:23 <elysch> :) yes.. they suck... but fortunately I discovered very soon since the import
16:32:49 <elysch> (discovered "it" very soon...)
16:35:44 <cedayiv> I've made the code change, so it will be included in the next release. Unfortunately the next few releases will just experimental.
16:35:55 <cedayiv> "will just be experimental"
16:36:01 <cedayiv> 2.3.x
16:36:58 <cedayiv> But you already have your change in place for 2.2.9 so no problem for you
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16:43:16 <elysch> yessss.... thanks a lot
16:43:23 <elysch> :D
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16:54:02 <elysch> Annother question. I hope it's not very dumb... I know almost nothing about accounting. If I import a foreign currency statment, and a default currency statement, how do I join a transfer from the foreign one to the default one?... and, what if the withrowal occurres one day, and the deposit the next day?
16:55:36 <elysch> and is there a way to keep two exchange rates?... one for taxes and the real one?... (in Mexico the taxes are payed usint the goverment previous day exchange rate, if I underestand it correctly)
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16:56:49 <elysch> the two exchange rates are not applyed to the same transactions, if I'm right
16:59:01 <elysch> the goverment previous day exchange rate is used for all the credits in other currencies.... and the real one is the one I wnat to use to reconciliate the statements
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17:09:57 <elysch> (no transfers)
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17:25:25 <beginner> Hi, in GnuCash Windows 2.2.9, when setting up online banking, what are "users" and what are "accounts"?
17:27:27 <beginner> Note: by "setting up online banking", I am referring to the Configuration window.
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17:29:15 <beginner> For me, it seems puzzling that there is a Users tab and Accounts tab. For each bank account that is accessible online for easy transfers
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17:30:47 <beginner> I can only comprehend a URL, a user name (or user id), a password, an account number and, possibly, a name of the account holder.
17:31:36 <beginner> Under User Configuration, I need a User Name, a User Id, a Customer ID, Country and Bank Id.
17:33:55 <beginner> Then, under Account Configuration, I need an Account Name, Account Number, Owner Name, Country (again), Bank Id (again), Bank Name, Available Users (which is blank right now) and Selected Users.
17:35:32 <beginner> Do I start with Users or Accounts? What do I put for User Id, Customer Id? How do I create Available Users and Selected Users?
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18:04:30 <warlord> beginner: Have you read the docs? (I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with that part of the code)
18:14:48 <beginner> Hi Warlord, I have tried many times. The online manual Chapter 7.5 for HBCI (whatever it means) is still under construction). I am now going thru Setting up OFXDirectConnect in GC 2 AGAIN! But it does not match Windows GC version well, and the writer does not seem to be very sure of several points. Thanks for responding. I have spent hours, but will keep trying a little more :-)
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18:55:21 <elysch> Hello again.
18:56:09 <elysch> I have this situation. I need to keep the balance of 3 separate projects in my checking account
18:56:30 <elysch> So, I created 3 sub-accounts
18:57:05 <elysch> I import a bank statement, then fix, for each transaction, how much is for each project
18:57:38 <elysch> later on, when I import another bank's statement... how could I match the transfers form one to the other?....
18:57:59 <elysch> it should match the "total" of the sub-accounts, right?
18:58:05 <elysch> Any ideas?
19:00:49 <warlord> Importing doesn't match well with bucket-based budgeting
19:01:12 <warlord> anyways, gotta run
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19:01:30 <elysch> oh, it's a shame
19:01:34 <elysch> thanks anyway
19:03:24 <elysch> anyone else?
19:03:48 <elysch> Is there a way to keep the balance of each project while keeping the bank account intact?
19:04:48 <elysch> I mean, the gnucash account of type "bank"
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20:31:11 <elysch> Hello. Any suggestion on a free software to manage "bucket-based budgeting"? I mean... to controll income and expenses of various projects with the same bank account, that can manage multiple currencies (in fact 2)?
20:32:56 <elysch> so, to be precise, it would be 2 bank accounts one in each currency
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20:38:30 <elysch> sorry, tog disconnected
20:41:07 <elysch> got
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20:44:34 <warlord> elysch: GnuCash can.. but not at the same time as using imported txns. You have to choose one or the other.
20:44:41 <warlord> (Note that Quicken wont do it, either)
21:02:23 <elysch> oh, I see... hmmm. have to give it some thought to decide whichone is more imortant... thanks
21:02:57 <elysch> is it possible to reconciliate using sub-accounts?
21:03:02 <elysch> in gnucash?
21:03:26 <warlord> Yes
21:03:45 <warlord> There's a checkbox "include subaccounts" in the initial reconcile dialog when you input the reconcile date and ending balance.
21:03:58 <elysch> nice
21:04:01 <elysch> thx
21:04:15 <warlord> you're welcome
21:04:20 <warlord> anyways, I'm off again. TTFN
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21:40:28 <elysch> By any chance has anybody reed http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/gnucash.html ? I guess you vave, since the title is "Multiple currency accounting in GnuCash"
21:40:48 <elysch> well... someone
21:41:43 <elysch> AFAICT, it sounds like a very good idea
21:42:21 <elysch> to use a special account to manage transactions in multiple currencies.
21:43:49 <elysch> The author doesn't say why it didn't got into GnuCash... maybe it was a loooooong discussion
21:44:01 <elysch> Any thoughts?
21:45:52 <andrewsw> elysch: it's been discussed in the past. I think the core devs are aware of it. I'm not sure why it's not in gnucash.
21:46:10 <jsled> no one implemented the changes is why.
21:46:25 <andrewsw> heh. yeah. I thought there had been some objection to it.
21:48:04 <elysch> also... normally the developers want to do new stuff, instead of re-do something already working
21:48:10 <elysch> i guess
21:49:21 <elysch> it's a shame I don't know "c", I would gladly give it a try
21:49:52 <elysch> (gnucash is written in "c". Right?)
21:50:19 <andrewsw> largely
21:50:29 <elysch> :)
21:51:24 <elysch> does anybody remember where it was discussed?
21:51:38 <elysch> I'm curius
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21:53:06 <elysch> can't find it in the mailing list archives
21:53:33 <jsled> probably around jun 4 2005. :)
21:54:07 <andrewsw> I think Mike Alexander is up on this a bit.
21:54:39 <jsled> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2007-April/020429.html has some reference
21:54:41 <elysch> thx
21:54:52 <elysch> lets see.
21:55:12 <andrewsw> ISTM that someone was patching gnucash for this at some point as well, but wasn't able to keep up with maintenance, but that's a pretty vague memory.
21:55:25 <andrewsw> not to be relied upon.
21:56:06 <elysch> lol
22:09:22 <elysch> found this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=537476 "I have partially implemented these changes"..."...but I will attempt to keep the patches up to date as"
22:09:55 <elysch> Opened by Mike Alexander
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22:11:32 <andrewsw> well there you go, and you've got cstim's comment on it as well.
22:12:37 <elysch> :)
22:13:53 <andrewsw> I'm fairly confident that MA is still interested in seeing this happen, but I suspect (from memory of an email exchange some time back) that he's not optimistic. YOu should be able to dig up the -devel threads from then that discuss it though, maybe that helps your understanding
22:17:00 <elysch> yes... I'll try.
22:17:01 <elysch> thx
22:33:30 <elysch> good night, (atleast here, lol)
22:33:38 <andrewsw> gnight
22:33:56 <elysch> I want to thank you for such a great program as gnucash is
22:34:07 <elysch> and it's support
22:34:07 <elysch> :)
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